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UNSEEN BY THE WORLD, CELEBRATED BY GOD
By Kristen WambachHave you ever felt completely unseen? Like you are putting in the hours, ticking the boxes, and doing the deep work, but the world around you is just totally oblivious?
We live in a culture that is incredibly loud, hyper-distracted, and completely obsessed with celebrating success on a very narrow, visible scale. It is so easy to look at those metrics—the likes, the hearts, and the achievements of everyone else—and start believing the lie that you just aren't measuring up. We look at all that noise and think we're falling short.
But when the world gets that loud, we need to dial it down. We need to tune out the external static and focus entirely on what God is actually saying about you and me. Today, we are tearing down that performance-based lie. We are stepping into a profound, often missed truth about a love that is so intense and so focused it completely drowns out the noise of comparison. We are talking about how God and you celebrate you—even when the world is completely distracted.
0:00 — Distractions and the High-Performance TrapBut here's the butt. I know there's always a butt, isn't there? Some seasons, even though you feel like you're really ticking the box and you're marking your way through, those seasons can be full of people issues, work dramas, family issues, health issues. So the word issues makes you feel like distraction is just hovering around you. Correct? There are times when we're accomplishing and ticking the boxes and moving the needle on our own personal dreams, but those around us may not be. What do you do?
Hello from the Pacific Northwest! This is Kristen from kristenwambach.com and you're listening to the Interviewing Jesus Podcast. Answer me this: How does a Baptist farm girl from Oregon stumble upon the mystical nature of Christ and the love of God? If you're like me, Jesus has redefined what you used to say yes to. Join me and my guests on a mystical journey. But before we talk about the spiritual woowoo, you need to know I am totally sold out to Jesus. It's amazing what the love of God reveals.
Now, let me jump right in. What prompted today's episode? Let me tell you. So, I am having a very productive week. As you know, I'm kind of one of those high-performance gals and I keep good notes and organized and stuff, and I'm working on some projects and I feel like, oh, I'm ticking the boxes of progress. Yay! Do you ever feel that way? You just go like, "Yes, I did my Friday finishers. I'm ticking my box and I'm encouraged by the Lord. I'm writing down my dreams." And you just feel like you're focused and you're stepping in the right place, right?
But here's the butt. I know there's always a butt, isn't there? Some seasons, even though you feel like you're really ticking the box and you're marking your way through, those seasons can be full of people issues, work dramas, family issues, health issues. So the word issues makes you feel like distraction is just hovering around you. Correct. There are times when we're accomplishing and ticking the boxes and moving the needle on our own personal dreams, but those around us may not be. What do you do? And how do you function in this? And how—it's just a really good how. That's what Jesus wanted us to talk about today: that we need to learn to pat ourselves on our own back in His presence because He is so pleased with you.
4:17 — Understanding God's Delight in UsSo I pulled a very famous scripture from Zephaniah 3:16 and 17. We're going to meander through it and pull out some really good wisdoms with some life applications. It says that day the message for Jerusalem will be, "Zion, do not yield to fear. Zion, do not yield to fear. Don't let your heart be discouraged." There's a first point for us: Do not let your heart be discouraged. So what do you do when the world around you seems distracted or noisy?
In 1 Corinthians 4, it says any judgment prior to the Lord's coming, that's prior to the cross. So everything before the cross, every judgment that would be pronounced before the cross is out of context. No, it just doesn't apply to us anymore. When we take everything that is before the cross, that brings it to a performance-based judgment. But Him coming, Him dying on the cross and being resurrected, whom we are in Him, it illuminates all those hidden mysteries for us and it shows us that we are included in His death, resurrection, and love. Amen!
So back to Zephaniah, verse 17 says, "Yahweh your God is inside of you." Do you ever sit there and fathom God inside of you? He is a warrior, a savior who takes such delight in you that it will make Him leap for joy and shout with great gladness. Yes, He will soothe you with His love and He will sing over you His song of praise. What does it feel like to be aware of God inside you? Let's unpack that.
First, let's consider the singer: God, the mighty warrior who saves. Yes, this is not, or He is not, a passive spectator. He's not just an orchestra leader up there, you know, ticking off his little baton expecting you to follow. No, He's going in and out of all the different portions of the orchestra, sitting down with every single instrument and sound in that whole symphony. He is totally involved. He is all-powerful, all-knowing, all-capable God inside of you and I! The one who parts the seas, moves the mountains, and orchestrates the cosmos. And He's entirely focused on you right now in this place, in this time, right here—just with your headphones or your little daily bobs in your earbobs. He's totally focused on you. Can we fathom that for a moment?
6:54 — The Power of God's Presence and SingingOh my goodness. And He's a connecting God in the most personal way. He not only saves us but those we love. Now I'm going to take a moment to unpack that word saves. Yes, we know the word means sozo—saved, healed, delivered. But let's chew on it just a little bit more, okay? No longer is it just about arriving into kingdom glory down the road, because Jesus made the presence of God available to us 24/7 now. We are on a journey to stay tuned, to stay in the spirit, to step in so to speak, and to partner with God as His transformation impacts us and the world around us. He may ask us to intercede or He may ask us just to focus and rest in trust.
Number two, second, consider the action: He will take great delight in you. What does that look like, God taking delight in you? Can you name something in the last couple of days that God did where He showed His delight for you? That Hebrew word delight implies a deep and profound joy and a pleasure. Do you catch God taking pleasure in you? It's the kind of joy like a proud parent feels when watching their child just walking through their day, simply existing. A joy that is completely unconditional. You just watch your child and there they are.
8:52 — Practicing Awareness of God's LoveYou know, we spend so much of our lives defending the character of God we hope is good, while silently carrying the weight of religious exhaustion and unanswered questions. But what if His kindness isn't a reward for your effort? What if it's a reality you can step into right now?
I want to invite you to go deeper than this podcast episode. My book, How Good is God: Beyond the Gates to Truly Experience Heaven, is more than just a story—it’s a practical path. It is a field guide and the result of 30 years of spiritual investigative journalism designed to help you dismantle the enemy's defense lines and finally see the gap between Heaven and earth close, from the boardroom to your very own living room. Whether you are navigating a difficult season or you're simply ready to activate the redemptive desire wired right in your DNA, this layout is for you. You can find How Good is God along with the coordinating journal and workbook wherever books are sold, including Amazon and Audible. Let's stop studying God from afar and start knowing Him intimately. Grab your copy today and let's get back to the show.
Our existence is a source of happiness for God. He doesn't just tolerate you and I. Sometimes it feels like I'm just tolerating me. Raise your hand if you go, "Oh, help me Jesus." I know. He doesn't just tolerate you and I; He celebrates you. And this shifts our perspective from seeking God's approval to simply receiving God's pleasure. And that is what we're all about here today: just receiving God's pleasure. And that pleasure needs to overflow to patting ourselves on the back in His presence. Yes, pat yourself on your back in His presence.
And what does this do? You're holding your head up high. And when you hold your head up high and celebrate you—just today, you; not what maybe went on yesterday or this morning, no, right here and now—you're listening to this encouraging podcast to draw closer to God. How do you think that makes Him feel? He says, "Yes, yes, and amen. There's my kid stepping in and listening and trusting me." So when we do that, when we hold our head up and we go, "Yep, this was the right choice to do," it helps us avoid calamity in relationships. And that develops stronger boundaries. Yay! And it helps us to direct our prayers for others because we've taken the time to say, "Hey God, thank you. Thank you so much for helping me today. Thank you for putting this episode right in front of me so I can be encouraged." It's a gratitude where we say, "God, I can feel you and I'm in concert with you."
Number three, it's a very striking element: He will rejoice over you with singing. This is God—God our Father, creator of heaven and earth—and He belts out a long song over you. This is the highest form of personal celebration. The world may be distracted, your to-do list might be incomplete, and you may feel utterly just mediocre today, but God's soundtrack for you and your life is one of triumph and uninhibited joy. Can you imagine that? This divine music is intended to quiet you by His love, to encourage you by His volume, and allow you to rest in the assurance of your worth. And to answer your question—yes, I hear your questions—how can we hear His singing? Isn't that a great question? How can we hear His singing? Practicing His presence and awareness.
13:40 — Aligning Our Choices with God's JoyI'm going to break that down just this week: practicing His presence and awareness. It's through choices. You have so many choices. You had a choice whether to hang out with me today on this podcast. Yes, that is a choice that you made. And God says, "Wow, look, she or he is listening to hear me, to draw closer, to live spiritually brave, to understand the mysteries of heaven and earth."
So, how do we hear His singing through choices? I can choose to work out as a habitual thing that I do every day, or I can choose to have fun and praise God when I work out. Simple choice. I can choose to listen to another podcast self-help episode, or if I've already had my limits for today of self-help, God might say, "Why don't you just put on your favorite praise and worship music and sing at the top of your lungs?" Right? Or, I can choose to entertain or defend another person's bad attitudes. Do we ever do that? Do we ever entertain or defend another person's bad attitudes? Okay, I've been married, what, 41 or 42 years—I can tell you I have done this a time or two. Or I can choose to allow God to redirect their day. It's not my responsibility, their attitude and those people around us. It's not my responsibility for their happiness, and therefore I remain in peace.
Now hearing God sing over you is literal. There is a literal sound that He communicates to you. You can hear, you can feel, you can perceive His song. Also, a natural song is all around you. There's a natural song that we're just going to take a minute and think about. Now I can look out of my office window here with all my podcast equipment, the speakers, the microphone, and you're here and the camera's going, but I can look out the window and I can see those vivid summer green leaves are changing. That is God going from the sound in the heat of summer and harvest—His loud sound—to piano or pianissimo, to a very soft transition where nature's just changing, and I'm aware of it.
16:30 — Embracing Our Worth and TransformationIt's when you notice, when you take a breath in that moment, that God turns up the aha and says, "I see you and you see me. I see you and you see me." And that's hearing His song. Back to choices: How will you respond in that moment? How will you respond when you catch God singing over you and there's an aha, and you can tangibly feel His presence, or you're just caught away with the beauty of nature, or maybe you noticed your son and he's building something wonderful and you go, "Wow"—you have a wow moment. How will you respond to carrying God's song over you?
Now, let's pull out a few other scriptures here that highlight God's heart for you. In Jeremiah 31:3, the Lord appeared to us in the past saying, "I have loved you with an everlasting love." He draws us with His unfailing kindness. In Psalms 139:14, "I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made." There's a choice right there: I'm fearfully and wonderfully made. That's what caused me just to hop on the edge, turn on some radical Beach Boys music, and hang out with my granddaughter with what she was currently doing. She's developing her balance and her walking skills, and I jumped right on in and I made it fun. In Isaiah 62:3, "You will be a crown of splendor in the Lord's hand. A royal diadem in the hand of your God." What's that about? Your beauty—because crowns are pretty. You are a beautiful crown in His hands; you are a piece of royalty. Imagine that.
19:13 — Living Spiritually Brave and GratefulSo the challenge for us in this episode as we embrace that we're going to live spiritually brave today is to actively join God's celebration in you and I. We're relabeling what we assumed our flaws were. We've relabeled ourselves and allowed Him to paint a canvas of our royalty, of our beauty, of our catching God catching us: I see you and you see me.
He will no longer rebuke you and I. In Zephaniah, He will no longer rebuke you and I. Why does God no longer rebuke you and I? Because of what Jesus did. That means God gave up His right to be angry because of Jesus's sacrifice. So stop waiting for the world to notice your external shine and start noticing the internal transformation that He is working on. When you tick a box—yes, I tick a box and I got this done today, I was organized, I'm in my flow—say, "Yes, our imperfections are the places where grace, His grace, is most perfectly displayed." Yeah, maybe I might have lost it this morning with the technical help person on the computer. Well, you could pop them a thank you note because they always send the display of the conversation in your email. You can make things right, and God sees that. That's our healing, our transformation. And it tells us that we're accepted in Him and receiving His acceptance.
We listen. We make a choice and purpose ourselves to listen for the loud singing, right? Loud singing—let God turn the volume up. And when feelings of inadequacies creep in, when we compare ourselves, what do we do? When we even compare ourselves to people that are around us that may not be in that great of a mood—that's comparing ourselves. What are we going to do? Are we going to join them in bad attitudes, or are we going to use our imagination to hear God's song over us and keep focusing and trusting Him in this day? It's a purposeful act of faith to say, "The world's whisper of failure? That's not mine. No thank you. I choose to hear God's loud song of joy over me." And this is how hearing God's voice is the most essential way.
22:16 — Conclusion and PrayerAnd this way we hear God's voice. I invite you to check out my YouTube channel playlist, Hearing God. It has a whole bunch of episodes in it that will help you fine-tune those listening ears. Amen! And number three, align your steps with delight. Just like my choices, when you work out, when you go for a walk, when you're exercising because you know that it's good for you, you have a choice right there. You can make it fun. You can make it a prayer time with God. You can make it a conversation with yourself. There are so many things that you can do to turn up the volume of God's song over you and align your steps with delight.
Since God delights in every detail of your life, start delighting in the life that you've been given. Stop waiting for that big breakthrough to be happy. Happiness is one of the most powerful choices that you can make. Celebrate the small stuff. Celebrate the kindness that you extend. Celebrate the moments when your patience shows up—help me Jesus! And celebrate the courage it takes to simply get up and try again when maybe we fell down or messed up. That's what a relationship with God is for. Say, "God, I'm sorry. I'm sorry that I screwed up. Help me to pick up the pieces. Help me to change my attitude, or let's have a talk about my attitude and why I feel this way." A daily act of gratitude is how we live spiritually brave, practice our development, and feel our growth in the spirit. Amen.
Let's pray together. Mmm, so good.
Father God, I thank you that we made a choice to sit in your presence today. Whether we're behind a microphone or sitting with a set of headphones on, we made a choice to hear your voice, to even learn about hearing your voice, and to know how you are singing over us. We remember, Father, and we acknowledge that you're a warrior and a savior, and we delight and give you permission to be that in our lives. God, we give you praise. And Holy Spirit, I just ask that you would help each and every one of the listeners to make an extra pat on their back today for the good job that they have done to focus, listen, and get into your presence. In Jesus' name, amen. So be it. Yay!
If today's message shifted your perspective on your own worth, on the choices that God has given you today, or on how God and you celebrate you—how amazingly special you are—please share this episode with one person who also needs to hear God's song over them. Don't forget to visit my YouTube channel playlist, Hearing God, as I've separated out a bunch of really good morsels of episodes just on that subject matter: how to hear God. I bless you, thanks for hanging out today, I am encouraged, and I will talk to you again next week. Bye now.

The Dynamic of the Divine Symphony

Our core scripture today is found in Zephaniah 3:17, and it is a true testament of divine wisdom: "The Lord your God is with you, the mighty warrior who saves; He takes great delight in you. In His love He will no longer rebuke you, but will rejoice over you with singing."
Think about that for a second. The sovereign God who hung the stars in the sky, placed the planets, and mapped the depths of the ocean is singing a loud, joyful song of triumph explicitly over you. That isn’t just a quiet, polite nod of approval from a distance. That is a full-blown celebration.
To really grab hold of this, we have to look at the character of the Singer. He is a mighty warrior who saves. In the original language, the word for save is sozo—which means saved, healed, and completely delivered. But because of the cross, this isn't just about catching a ticket to Heaven someday in the future. Through Jesus, we have Heaven available to us 24/7 right now. Our journey today is about staying tuned, stepping into the spirit, and partnering with Him as His transformation impacts our daily lives. God is not a passive spectator. He isn't an aloof orchestra leader standing on a high pedestal, ticking off a little baton and expecting you to keep up. No! He is moving in and out of every section of the orchestra, sitting next to every instrument and adjusting to each unique sound. He is entirely focused on you, right here, right now, exactly as you are.

Shifting from Validation to Pleasure

The second truth we need to unpack is the action: He takes great delight in you.
Delight implies a deep, profound, unconditional joy and pleasure. God doesn’t just tolerate you; He celebrates you. This completely shifts our perspective from constantly striving to earn His approval to simply resting in His pleasure. And when we receive that pleasure, it gives us the freedom to pat ourselves on the back in His presence and hold our heads up high. It builds strong emotional boundaries and keeps us from getting dragged into interpersonal drama and relationship calamities.
I caught a beautiful glimpse of this truth in my own life recently. I was hanging out with my granddaughter, Liesl, who is just under 18 months old. She has these agility blocks and an overstuffed climbing triangle that she loves to play on. She was practicing her balance, carefully walking up the slanted edge, and learning to stand completely straight.
There was no stadium applause, no competition, and no massive audience—just a little girl growing and learning. So, what did Grandma do? I grabbed my phone, put on a classic Beach Boys track, and captured a video of her balancing and moving to the music. I was completely swept up in delighting in her normal, ordinary growth.
That is exactly how God looks at you. Your simple existence is a source of happiness for Him. He looks at you stepping in, listening to His word, and choosing to trust Him, and He says, "Yes and amen, there’s my kid!"

Cultivating the Monday-Morning Practice

So, how do we actually hear His voice and tune into this singing in the middle of our chaotic schedules? It comes down to our daily choices.
We have so many choices every single day. For example, when you do your workout or go for a walk, you can choose to treat it as a tedious chore, or you can choose to turn on praise music, sing at the top of your lungs, and make it a fun conversation with God.
When you are confronted with the bad attitudes or heavy drama of the people around you, you have a structural choice. You can choose to defend, entertain, and carry their bad moods, or you can choose to hand them over to God and let Him redirect their day. Their happiness is not your responsibility, and choosing to step back allows you to remain in perfect peace.
Hearing God sing over you is a literal, tangible reality. You can feel and perceive His song all around you if you pause to notice it. I can look out my office window right now past all my podcast microphones and equipment, and see the vivid summer green leaves gently changing color. That is God turning down the loud volume of harvest and transitioning nature into a soft, quiet piano melody. It’s an "aha" moment where God says, "I see you, and you see me."
Living spiritually brave means refusing to accept the world's whisper of failure. We don't have to wait for a massive external breakthrough to experience joy. Happiness is one of the most powerful choices you can make.
Start noticing the internal transformation He is working on. Celebrate the small stuff—celebrate the moments you choose patience, the times you extend kindness, and the raw courage it takes to simply get back up and try again when you mess up. Silence the noise, hold your head high, and choose to hear God's loud song of joy over your life today.

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"Stop waiting for the world to notice your external shine and start noticing the internal transformation that He is working on." We are highly conditioned to track our life's value using the world's visible metrics—ticking the boxes, counting the accolades, and measuring our progress against the loud pace of everyone else. But when we bring that performance-based judgment into our spiritual walk, it creates a massive barrier to our growth. God is inviting you to step off the treadmill of striving for validation and step into the resting reality of your intrinsic worth.
Monday-Morning Activation Steps:

Audit Your Metrics: Identify one area in your life right now where you feel mediocre or unseen by others. Write it down honestly.
The Pat-on-the-Back Principle: Take that specific area into prayer. Instead of asking God to fix it or make it visible, consciously practice His presence by thanking Him that He is entirely focused on you right there in the quiet growth. Give yourself an intentional "pat on the back" in His presence for staying the course.
Establish the Boundary: The next time you are confronted with a toxic atmosphere or another person's bad attitude, make the structural choice not to entertain or defend it. Explicitly tell yourself: "Their happiness is not my responsibility." Give that situation back to the Holy Spirit and remain in your peace.

Prayer Father, I make a deliberate choice to step out of the performance trap today. I give you permission to quiet my heart with your love and turn up the volume of your song over my life. Teach me how to delight in the small stuff, celebrate my internal transformation, and rest completely in your pleasure. Amen.

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Hey there! I am Kristen Wambach, and I am so glad you are here. As an ordained pastor, experienced spiritual coach, and author, my absolute passion is helping you bridge the gap between Heaven and earth. I spent years learning how to silence the loud, performance-based metrics of this world and simply tune my heart to the steady, loving voice of the Father.
That is exactly why I host the Interviewing Jesus Podcast. This show is your spiritual home for raw, soul-stirring conversations that ignite your spirit and empower you to live spiritually brave.

Kristen Wambach Investigative Journalist and Entrepreneur

We don't do sterile, distant theology here. Instead, we provide a practical path with real stories, prayer, and simple activations to help you navigate your everyday, Monday-morning life with heavenly wisdom. Whether you are an aspiring entrepreneur, a seeker of deeper spiritual truths, or someone just yearning to break free from the exhaustion of comparison, this space is for you. Let’s dive into your true, intrinsic worth together!

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Reclaiming Your Worth: Shattering the Lies of "Not Good Enough" with Sue Corl ❖ 281

5/14/2026

THE MASTERPIECE IN THE MIRROR

Reclaiming Your Worth: The End of "Not Good Enough"

I realized I was rejecting the truth of what God created. I reflect His beauty, His passions, and His character." — Sue Corl

Are you tired of standing in the gap between a painful past and the promise of a beautiful future?
In Episode 281 of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, Kristen Wambach is joined by spiritual investigative journalist and global ministry leader Sue Corl for a conversation that will fundamentally change how you see your own reflection. Born with a severe cleft palate and navigating 26 major surgeries by age 15, Sue spent the first three decades of her life believing she was a "manufacturing error." Today, as the founder of Crown of Beauty International, she is a living testimony that God does not make mistakes.

Together, Kristen and Sue dive deep into a Mirror Reflection of Psalm 139, investigating the original Hebrew architecture of our design. They shatter the universal lie of "not good enough" and replace it with a "Beyond" posture of awe and intentionality.

In this episode, you will discover:

The Blueprint of Awe: Why "fearfully made" actually means your life was designed to inspire the same wonder as the Creator Himself.
Shattering the Labels: How Sue traded the verbal wounds of her youth for the four pillars of identity: Beautiful, Forgiven, Valued, and Loved.
The Global Ache: A look into how Jesus is moving in closed countries and remote tribes to answer the universal cry for worth.
Inner Healing Activation: A practical path to move from the shackles of trauma into the "workmanship" of your true calling.

If you have ever felt disqualified by your scars or held back by the shame of "broken pieces," this episode is your invitation to bridge the gap and reclaim your worth. It’s time to stop looking down and start looking up—into the eyes of the One who is captivated by your beauty.

The shackles of your past are the raw materials for the crown He is placing on your head today." — Sue Corl

The Mirror of Awe

We often carry our past wounds like a heavy suitcase, convinced that our broken pieces have disqualified us from a beautiful future. We look at our "scars"—whether they are physical, emotional, or the result of years of verbal labels—and we assume God must have been distracted when He formed us.
In Episode 281, I sat down with my friend Sue Corl, a spiritual investigative journalist who spent 25 years in Asia helping women shatter these exact lies. Sue’s own story began with 26 major surgeries and a childhood spent in the shadows of rejection. But her transformation didn't come from "trying harder"; it came from a radical re-education of her heart.

SUMMARY

In this powerful episode of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, Kristen Wambach sits down with Sue Corl, founder of Crown of Beauty International, for a deep-dive investigation into the architecture of our identity. Sue, who survived 26 major surgeries following a severe birth defect, shares how she transitioned from a childhood of verbal wounds and rejection to a "Beyond" posture of global leadership and healing.

The Outcome for Your Week

This isn't just a feel-good conversation. It’s a practical path for anyone standing in the gap between a painful reality and a heavenly promise. If you’ve been living in the "shackles" of your past, this episode is your invitation to trade those ashes for a crown of beauty.

Trauma healing brings a closeness with the Lord that is unmatchable to any other time in your life." — Sue Corl

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📝 EPISODE TRANSCRIPT EXCERPT
Kristen Wambach (00:01): Hello and welcome. Joining us today is a woman whose life is a living testimony to the fact that God does not make mistakes. Sue Corl is a spiritual investigative journalist just like me. She just loves to find out more about Jesus. Sue has navigated the deep waters of rejection and physical trauma to find a "beyond" posture of healing. Today, as the founder of Crown of Beauty International, she helps women across the globe shatter the lies of the enemy and walk in their true identity as daughters of the King. Welcome, Sue.
Sue Corl (01:17): Thank you. Wow, that's a big intro! You guys should tape that and share it with my family.
Kristen Wambach (02:19): I’ve rewritten portions of Psalm 139 to highlight our questions today... "Jesus, You have searched the very depths of me. You aren't just aware of my name; You are intimately acquainted with my DNA." So Sue, when we are standing in the gap between a painful reality and Heaven’s promise, how do we begin to see our scars as part of the design rather than a flaw in the manufacturing?
Sue Corl (03:11): Well, for me, it was really coming to trust God's Word over my feelings and my experiences. For years, Kristen, I would not look in a mirror. I felt that God was very busy at the moment He was supposed to form my nose—that He took His eye off and voila, I have this birth defect. I realized in my 30s that I didn't actually believe Psalm 139. I had to dig into the Hebrew. I discovered that "fearfully" meant awe. It means when He created us, He created us in a way that we reflect His image.
Kristen Wambach (10:35): It's a wonderful story. We're made from His awe. When He made us, He goes, "Ah, look at My child."
Sue Corl (32:20): The most universal ache I see in women everywhere is that they don't feel they have worth. In Africa, Asia, the Middle East—women are often treated as "less than." When they hear the four truths—that they are Beautiful, Forgiven, Valued, and Loved—they light up. They’ve never been told that Jesus is captivated by them.
Kristen Wambach (48:00): Sue, before we end today, would you reach out in the spirit with that big heart you have and pray for those listening?
Sue Corl (48:23): I’d love to. Wonderful Lord, I pray for every person listening, that You will lead them out of the muck and into abundance. Restore, renew, and refresh them to be able to live out the full potential for which You have created them. In Jesus' name, Amen.

CORE TRANSFORMATION: THE FOUR PILLARS

Sue shares the "universal ache" she has witnessed in women across the globe—from the jungles of Thailand to the villages of Bangladesh—and the four truths Jesus uses to answer it:

Beautiful: Rejecting the "ugly" labels of the world for the beauty of God's image.
Forgiven: Trading the shame of past trauma for the "pure" standing of a daughter.
Valued: Moving from an "inferiority" mindset into the honor of royalty.
Loved: Experiencing the captivating love of the Groom for His Bride.

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Journey with God through this twelve week Bible study and allow God to set you free to rest in His love and delight. You will display His glory as God's Spirit renews you. These studies will enable you to discover the root issues that are holding you back from a more intimate encounter with God. Discouragement, distance, or defeat will be replaced by joy, intimacy, and victory. This is most effective when studied with at least one other person, though it can be done alone. Preparation time: 30 - 45 minutes per lesson. Small group time: 1 1/2 hours. You can also purchase the Leader's Guide and teach this Bible study to a small group or to your church's women's ministry.

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Sue Corl was born with a severe cleft palate, without a nose, upper lip, or palate. During the first 15 years of her life, Sue underwent 26 major operations. As a child, she heard lies about her physical appearance and struggled emotionally with her self-worth. In her late twenties, she began the journey of emotional healing as she opened God’s Word and discovered the truths of who she is: fearfully and wonderfully made and an image bearer of God. Her personal story inspired her to begin Crown of Beauty International to help women around the world to experience the same freedom from lies, shame, and strongholds that God provided for her. Sue is an international women’s conference speaker, author, mentor, and Bible teacher, and served 25 years as a missionary in Asia. Her greatest joy is being a wife and mother of two adult children. She has a passion to see women set free by receiving the love of God and living out their potential in the powerful truth of who they are in Christ.

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The episode concludes with a practical path for Reclaiming Your Worth. Sue encourages the "family" to stop avoiding their reflection and to begin inviting Jesus into the "inner room" of their past trauma. The payoff is a shift from the shackles of "not good enough" into a life of purpose, authenticity, and spiritual bravery.

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In Episode 281, Kristen Wambach and global ministry leader Sue Corl engage in a profound spiritual investigation into the architecture of human worth, specifically targeting the universal lie of being "not good enough." Drawing from Sue’s powerful testimony of surviving twenty-six surgeries and overcoming a childhood defined by rejection, the conversation centers on a "Mirror Reflection" of Psalm 139 to prove that our lives contain no manufacturing errors. They bridge the gap between painful earthly realities and heavenly promises by re-educating the heart on what it truly means to be "fearfully made"—a term rooted in the Hebrew concept of inspiring awe. By deconstructing the "masterpiece logic" of Ephesians 2:10, Kristen and Sue offer a practical path for the "family" to move from the shackles of trauma into a "Beyond" posture of healing, ultimately identifying the four pillars of a transformed identity: being Beautiful, Forgiven, Valued, and Loved. This episode serves as a strategic architectural reset, empowering every listener to trade the shame of their past for the crown of beauty that was prepared for them before they were ever born.

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Sue revealed that we often believe God was "distracted" during our creation, labeling our struggles as manufacturing errors. To bridge the gap between that painful lie and Heaven’s promise, you must conduct a spiritual investigation of your own design.
The Tape: Identify one specific part of your story or your physical self that you have labeled a "mistake."
The Anchor: Open your Bible to Psalm 139. Speak this "Beyond" posture out loud: "Jesus, I thank You that You were not distracted. You were intimately acquainted with my DNA then, and You are hemming me in now. This part of me is not a flaw; it is a masterpiece of Your spiritual architecture."
The Outcome: Notice when the "not good enough" lie surfaces this week. Replace it immediately with the word AWE to remind yourself that you are fearfully made.

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I’m Kristen Wambach, and I’ve spent the last 30 years investigating the heart of God to prove one thing:
He is better than you’ve been told.
As a spiritual investigative journalist, ordained pastor, and transformation coach, I don’t deal in safe theories or "someday" theology. I deal in the raw, messy, and beautiful reality of Oneness with Jesus. Whether I’m documenting supernatural encounters in my 30-year journaling practice or salmon fishing in the Pacific Northwest, my mission is the same: to help you erase the divider line between your "ordinary" life and the "Gooder" reality of Heaven.
I’m a proud farm girl at heart, a wife of over 40 years to my husband Don, and a "mom" to our Cavalier King Charles Spaniel, Dash. But more than that, I am a peer on this journey, dedicated to simplifying the supernatural so you can live Spiritually BRAVE.

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The Interviewing Jesus Podcast is more than just a show; it’s a sanctuary for the seeker and a clarion call for the spiritually courageous. We don’t just talk about Jesus—we step through the open door into His heart to gain the supernatural wisdom that rewrites our lives.
Each week, we bridge the gap between Heaven and Earth, translating high-level spiritual truths into practical Monday-morning tools. From exploring the "C♡♡Lness" of the spirit to navigating deep inner healing, our goal is to empower you to connect with your God-inspired DNA calling.

Our Mission: To move beyond religious exhaustion and into a direct, relational encounter with the finished work of Christ.
The Family: We are a community of entrepreneurs, seekers, and "Spiritually BRAVE" souls who believe that Heaven is a frequency we can tune into right now.
The Blueprint: Every episode is designed to provide you with a "safe path" to explore the mystical with humility, proof, and practical life activations.

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Rewriting Your Story: From Rock Bottom to Seven-Figure Legacy with David Nassief ❖ 279

5/6/2026

I am my Father’s son, my wife’s husband, and my son’s father. Nobody can fire me from those titles." —David Nassief

Rewriting Your Story: From Rock Bottom to Seven-Figure Legacy with David Nassief 279 Interviewing Jesus Podcast with Spiritual Investigative Journalist Kristen Wambach

At age 63, David Nassief was handed a cardboard box and told his corporate career was over. Standing on a sidewalk with a bank account whispering failure, he faced a choice: succumb to the frequency of fear or lean into the C♡♡Lness of God’s provision. David chose to build. What followed was a Spiritually BRAVE six-year sprint that took him from that sidewalk to a seven-figure legacy by age 69.

This isn't just a conversation about money; it’s a practical path for anyone sitting in a "middle space." David joins me to pull the curtain back on the "Monday-morning" logic that allowed him to shed the corporate straightjacket and start presiding over his divine calling. We discuss why simplicity is for winners, how to stop walking in circles, and how to build in hope even when your runway looks like a helicopter pad.

EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS

Shedding the Corporate Straightjacket: Understand how to separate your identity from your title. David shares his "rock bottom" moment in a grocery store and how it led to a deeper discovery of who Jesus says I AM.
The Frequency of Provision: Learn why complexity is often a "phishing scam" for your peace. We discuss the One-Page Wealth Compass—a radical, simple strategy that creates a sanctuary for inspiration.
The Theology of the Sprint: David distinguishes between "striving in the flesh" and "sprinting in Sonship." Discover how to pray like everything depends on God and work like everything depends on you.
The Rule of 72 & Supernatural Math: A look at how David doubled his portfolio value three times in six years by ignoring the "noise" and focusing on Kingdom-aligned stewardship.
Figma over Fire: Moving from "Financial Independence, Retire Early" to "Financial Independence, Graduate to next Adventure." Learn why your greatest breakthrough often follows the world’s attempt to discard you.

The Sidewalk Sanctuary

The world has a very specific way of telling us when we are finished. It usually comes in the form of a cardboard box, a final paycheck, and a walk to the sidewalk. For David Nassief, that moment arrived at age 63. After 18 years in the corporate arena, the "system" decided he was of no value.
Standing on that sidewalk, David faced a choice that many of us face in the "middle spaces" of our lives: succumb to the frequency of fear or lean into the Spiritually BRAVE reality of God’s provision.

Summary

In this episode of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, I sit down with David Nassief, author of the One-Page Wealth Compass, to discuss one of the most powerful stories of restoration I have ever encountered. At age 63, David was handed a cardboard box and told his corporate career was over. Standing on a sidewalk with a bank account whispering "failure," he faced a choice: succumb to the frequency of fear or lean into the C♡♡Lness of God’s provision.
David chose to build. What followed was a Spiritually BRAVE six-year sprint that took him from that sidewalk to a seven-figure legacy by age 69. We dive deep into the "Monday-morning" mechanics of his journey, moving past the "corporate straightjacket" and into the reality of Sonship. This isn't just a conversation about money; it’s a practical path with raw stories and simple activations for anyone ready to stop walking in circles and start presiding over their divine calling. Whether your "runway" looks like a helicopter pad or you’re ready for a "Second Act," this episode will help you rewrite your story from rock bottom to a legacy of hope.

The corporate world told me I was of no value. I had to let the man inside hiding out; we had a job to do." —David Nassief

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EPISODE TRANSCRIPT00:00 Kristen Wambach Today we are talking about a different kind of daily bread. Many of you are sitting in a middle space—perhaps you've faced a sudden ending, a "cardboard box moment" where the world told you that you were done. My guest today, David Nassief, stood on a sidewalk at the age of 63 with his career in a box and a bank account that whispered failure.
But instead of agreement, David chose a Spiritually BRAVE sprint. He is the author of the One-Page Wealth Compass, and he didn't just survive; he engineered a six-year journey into a seven-figure legacy by the age of 69. But we aren’t just talking about money today. We’re talking about a passion. We’re talking about the frequency of provision and the C♡♡Lness of walking with Jesus when the runway looks like a helicopter pad. Please welcome to the family, David Nassief.
01:08 David Nassief Thank you, Kristen. I'm excited to be here today with you.
01:10 Kristen Wambach Oh, so am I! I'm ready to pick your brain. A great place for us to start: David, you mentioned standing on that sidewalk at 63—I can relate a little bit too closely to that. And you chose not to succumb to the frequency of fear. In those first few months of cold calls and rejection—I mean, even you and Mary, your lovely wife of 30 years—you stepped into something and you believed Jesus, what He was saying about your identity of who you are versus the silence of your bank account. Tell us the story, what did that look like? Practical tools in hand?
02:01 David Nassief Sure, Kristen. Well, I’d be glad to. Well, like you said, I was 63 at the time and I just got fired after 18 years with the same corporate position. Totally unexpected, and I wouldn't wish that day on anybody. We did the math and if we drained all of our savings and all of our retirement, we were scheduled to be broke by 65. When other people are sitting back and saying, "Well, it's my time to enjoy the fruits of my labor," we’d be like… I don't know what we’d be. Anyways, that was hard.
That was very hard, but that wasn't the hardest part. The hardest part was driving home, thinking, "How am I going to tell my wife, Mary?" Like you said, we’ve been married for 30 years and she did not deserve the mess I just threw our life into. Anyways, after a couple of months of dead-end job searching, I did not have my heart in it. I did not want to go back to the corporate world. Every bone in my body says no, but I had to put a roof over, I had to put food on the table. mean, this is practical. I did it, but it was hard.
03:15 David Nassief And everybody I was interviewing with was saying, in so many words, "Yeah, the company that fired you, they did the right thing. You're of no value, and you're no value to us either." They didn't say it like that—they weren't mean about it—but they basically said that. So anyways, I just said one day, "No one's going to hire me and I got to do something." And so I took a huge risk, and it was huge. I decided to work as an independent sales agent, basically starting my own company on straight commission—no salary, no safety net, no benefits.
The first months were brutal: cold calls, constant rejection, rookie mistakes. I heard more "nos" in that two-month period than I’d ever heard in my life. But you know, Kristen, looking back, I can reflect on it now. I honestly believe all those "nos," all that resistance I was getting, was helping me build the mental muscles—and perhaps the spiritual muscles—I needed to punch through that dark period of my life and get to the other side.
After 10 months of grinding, I hit an incredible milestone. I was suddenly making more money than my good-paying corporate salary. And for a brief moment, I says, "We made it." But then I go, "Wait a minute, we haven't made nothing." I’d been making good money for 40 years, and look where it got me—on the verge of collapse financially. I need to learn how to invest. I need to learn how to build wealth.
04:22 David Nassief And I didn't have time for a bunch of investment theories and people with their conflicts of interest trying to make commission off you. Because my runway, as you said, was more like a helicopter pad than a runway. And so what I did is I said, "Okay, I’m diving in myself." I read 21 financial books, listened to 13 financial podcasts faithfully, read blogs, newsletters. Every time I got a good idea, I put it on one piece of paper. Then when the one piece of paper got full, I said, "I’m not going to go beyond one piece of paper because I want to keep it simple."
I would take off the worst idea and put the best one on, and I kept refining it, making it a "set it and forget it" approach because I couldn't waste time watching Wall Street. I had a business to run. And so anyways, after six years, I did what I thought was impossible—from terrified, and I do mean terrified of being broke, to a seven-figure portfolio and real financial freedom. I now know, Kristen, it is never too late to rewrite your story. Because if I can pull that off starting as late as 63, anybody can with the right direction.
05:29 Kristen Wambach Amen. I agree. I agree. I was sharing with David before we got started—I’ve been walking in ministry for years and years, and I won’t say it was a well-paying, if paid job at all. In my husband’s profession, he was a professional mechanic. He worked on high-end cars. When we got married, he was almost to $100,000. When he retired, it dropped almost 65%. That’s what the industry did. And here I am, passionate about Jesus, and I am an entrepreneur, and I went, "Okay, God, I believe you that you’re going to make a change here. Here I am. This is what I have to offer. Let’s build. Let’s get going." And we’re still here. We’re still doing.
Okay, so the theology of the sprint—we often hear about waiting on the Lord, but you describe a six-year sprint. How do you distinguish between striving in the flesh—I mean, I sometimes can feel that and get caught up in "We need this, we need to go here"—versus building in hope? So that I can get to Tuesday morning and I don't feel that build-up. How did you protect your peace?
07:22 David Nassief Well, first of all, my faith was always important to me and that was a huge—I can't emphasize this enough—a huge piece of the whole puzzle. But I want to say, because you talked about an entrepreneur, this was a lot harder than I'm making it sound. When I decided to go into business myself, I had scars. I failed twice in my 40s. I mean, one time it plunged me into a serious six-figure debt that it took me years to get out of.
So this wasn't a casual thing. I says, "But here's what I knew, Kristen," and this really helped me. And I think the Lord really put this in my mind: I made some serious mistakes in my 40s in businesses, but you know something? I learned from those mistakes. And I knew I was a smarter person at 63 than I was at 43. I was competing with people half my age with twice the energy, but I says the one thing I got going for me is I've got the Spirit directing me and I've got the knowledge of my past failures. I'm not going to throw that out.
08:52 David Nassief And I had a list of things I messed up on and I said, "I am not going to make these mistakes this time." And that was a tremendous, tremendous help. And then going through the six years, I'm sure you've heard of this phrase before: "Pray like everything depends on God and then get up and work like everything depends on you." That’s all I was doing for six years: praying and working, praying and working. That’s all I had to do.
And I remember when that 10th month when we actually surpassed my six-figure income from my corporation—we were happy, but we didn't even go out and celebrate. It’s terrible. We just kept pushing because we knew we had a lot longer to go. If I was 30-something, I’d probably gone out and partied. We didn't even have time for lunch. But I really felt the Spirit directing me. I knew that the Compass was an inspiration.
10:17 David Nassief There was a story if I could share with you briefly: Scientists at the Max Planck Institute did an experiment. They placed people in the center of a dense German forest and they told them to walk in a straight line to the edge. Now, these are all confident and capable people, but when the clouds covered the sun and they lost their point of reference, the GPS tracking they were wearing showed they were gradually suddenly starting to walk in circles. Some of them were actually ending up right back where they began.
And yet each and every one of them was absolutely convinced the whole time they were walking in a perfectly straight line. Kristen, that’s my life story for 40 years. Working hard, making good money, thinking I’m doing the right stuff when it comes to investing, but literally just walking in circles. After 40 years, I said something has to change and it’s the compass. I just knew that story came to me for a purpose. I need a one-page compass because I’ll admit to you, I'm the kind of person that gets distracted very easy. I couldn't afford to do that anymore. I had to stay focused.
11:29 Kristen Wambach Yes, that is a great story. I love it. So in your book, you talked about that rock bottom moment in the grocery store. For a creative entrepreneur listening—and that’s me too, because we’re just at the point of breaking through—what’s the first practical activation to shed that "straightjacket" which blocks you from starting to preside over your divine calling instead?
12:37 David Nassief Well, I think this was a few weeks after I got fired. My wife said, "Honey, I'm trying to conserve money so we don't run out too quickly. There's a big sale going on at the store. Can you come with me?" We get to the store, Kristen. I felt like I was the only man in the store. I saw all women and baby carts and babies crying. And I felt like, "What am I doing here? I need to be out there working, earning money, providing for my family." I really felt like I had a sign on my chest saying, "Biggest Loser."
I wanted to scream. I felt like I had this corporate mental straight jacket on. The image I had was I drive a new company car, drive nice suits—they took it from me. But the thing is, I was still trapped. When I went home that night, I realized that the corporate world told me loud and clear I was of no value to them anymore. End of story. So I said to myself, "Okay, the guy that’s in here hiding because he thinks he’s a corporate person has to come out because we have to fight this thing."
14:34 David Nassief That’s when I was inspired to develop this compass. If my agency failed, there goes the fuel to pump the wealth-building machine. I had 40 years of proof, Kristen—I'm an incompetent when it comes to building wealth. 40 years of making good money and I have nothing. This is crazy. So I had two fronts I was battling on at the same time and the only way I was going to succeed was with a compass that gave me the laser-like direction I needed.
15:34 Kristen Wambach I am writing notes here. Some of us have been driving that agency so hard and we’re not through yet. Can you give us some practical tools?
16:26 David Nassief One thing I’ll tell you: If it wasn't the Lord's time for me to succeed, that would not have shaken my faith. But looking back on it now, Kristen, it was a gift being fired. I know it was a gift from God. I was 63, but He waited until I was ready. I’m not sure my ego had been humbled enough for that at 45. He waited until I was ready.
And I’m grateful for the timing. I’m grateful that they thought I was of no value because I did know one thing now: When I got that corporate straight jacket off me, I have only three titles. I’m a Son of God, I am my wife’s husband, and I am my son’s father. Nobody can take those titles away from me. I wouldn't have lost my identity, which was the more important thing.
19:46 Kristen Wambach I didn't look this up. What is the percentage of people—because I'm 66 and my husband’s 72—what is the percentage of people in the United States that are not prepared for what you would call their seniors?
20:04 David Nassief This is from the National Council on Aging: 80% of older adults face financial insecurity. 50% of people 60+ do not have sufficient income to cover their basic needs. The number one cause for gut-wrenching stress among seniors is the fear of running out of money before they run out of life. Most of these people have worked 40 years, made other people wealthy, but neglected their own wealth building.
21:20 Kristen Wambach I’ve raised four sons, and I have never agreed with that word "retirement." I just went, "Well, it’s just like picking up a gun and saying, okay, I’m done." I’ve re-coined this word with my husband and I to "Refire." God has a purpose and a plan for us.
22:50 David Nassief I agree. I have a thing called FIGNA: Financial Independence, Graduate to Next Adventure. I love my agency. I work with my son now. I love doing my charity work. I can't comprehend retiring, but it's fine if you want to. But even in retirement, you better find a new way to graduate to some new adventure.
24:27 Kristen Wambach The man is standing on his soapbox. Amen! Lead us into the compass.
25:01 David Nassief I’m going to give this to all your listeners for free. It’s on two columns. The first is a nine trail markers—it tells you the nine steps. Start wherever you’re at. If you’re in credit card debt, start at number three. On the other side, I have the five North Star principles. One of them is: Live on less than you earn. If you don't learn that one, you will always struggle financially.
I have a wealth meeting with myself—two minutes—every Friday at 3:00. I look at my compass. Did I violate any North Star principles? I once made an impulse purchase, but I caught myself early. It keeps you safe. It gives you those mental guardrails so you can stay on the path.
28:23 Kristen Wambach I have a bookshelf full of said books, because I have been, "Okay God, I believe that You are a God of restoration." We lost our auto repair business 20, 25 years ago. But we just got to stand there and believe that He is a God of restoration.
37:10 David Nassief I think the biggest thief of the stuff that got taken from me was me. I didn't live the correct principles. I didn't take time to learn them. But I honestly believe the Lord loved me too much to deny me of being fired at 63. I’m a stronger person than I’ve ever been.
39:27 Kristen Wambach How do people connect with your resources?
39:39 David Nassief Go to onepagewealthcompass.com/free. You’ll get the download of the PDF. I'm not selling anything. I know what struggling is about, I promise you.
41:18 Kristen Wambach God is so good because He is rebuilding and restoring. It was as simple as a bird feeder hanging. We all have the capability for God to bless what’s inside of us to create that career and income success. Would you pray for us, David?
45:54 David Nassief I will. Dear Father in Heaven, we are grateful for the blessings given us. We pray for those who are struggling, seeking direction in the area of financing or whatever area. We pray they can seek the guidance of the Spirit and good guiding principles to help them out of the situation they’re in and into a better place. In Jesus’ name, Amen.
47:34 Kristen Wambach Amen. Life treated you like putting Goliath’s sword right in your back. What you have done—what the enemy meant to take you out—you have pulled the sword out of your back and now you wield it. You own the sword, you use the sword that was meant to take you out.
48:59 David Nassief Thank you for that analysis.
49:11 Kristen Wambach Thank you, David. And remember listeners, I’ll have all the links in the show notes. Thank you very much.

Shedding the Corporate Straightjacket

David’s "rock bottom" didn't happen in the boardroom; it happened in a discount grocery store. Surrounded by the "noise" of a world moving on without him, he felt the weight of a "corporate straightjacket"—an identity built on titles, company cars, and the false security of a salary.
As a spiritual investigative journalist, I’ve noticed that our greatest breakthroughs often follow the world’s attempt to "discard" us. To move into your divine calling, you must first be willing to let the "man or woman hiding inside" out. You have to move past the question, "What would Jesus do?" and start living from the reality of "Who does He say I AM?" Even when the bank account is silent, the Father is speaking.

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The Theology of the Sprint

We often talk about "waiting on the Lord," but there is a season for the sprint. David describes a six-year journey where he went from the verge of collapse to a seven-figure legacy. This wasn't striving in the flesh; it was building in hope.
The "Monday-morning" logic of this sprint is simple: clear direction beats misdirected speed every time. David stopped walking in circles in the "dense forest" of financial noise and engineered a One-Page Wealth Compass. He realized that simplicity is for winners, while complexity is for victims. By focusing on a "Set it and Forget it" stewardship, he created a sanctuary for inspiration, freeing his mind from the anxiety of the unknown.

My runway was more like a helicopter pad. I didn't have time to make mistakes anymore."—David Nassief

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The Restoration of All Things

Restoration isn't just about getting back what was lost; it’s about the person you become during the process. David didn't just rebuild his bank account; he rebuilt his Sonship. At 72, he is living proof that your "Second Act" can be your most productive.
Whether you are an aspiring entrepreneur or someone yearning for transformational growth, your "runway" might look like a helicopter pad right now. But in the C♡♡Lness of the Spirit, God’s provision can outrun the world’s math.
Don't let the "cardboard box" moment be your ending. Pull the sword out of your back and start wielding it. Your restoration is not just a possibility—it is a promise.

FINAL SUMMARY: REWRITING YOUR STORY

The journey from a "cardboard box moment" to a seven-figure legacy is more than a financial turnaround; it is a profound testament to the Restoration of All Things. This episode with David Nassief serves as a high-stakes masterclass for the Spiritually BRAVE, proving that your value is never determined by a corporate system, but by your identity as a Son or Daughter.
The Pivot Points

The Identity Shift: David’s story began by shedding the "corporate straightjacket." He moved from the question of "What would Jesus do?" to the settled reality of "Who does He say I AM?" This shift is the mechanical necessity for anyone looking to bridge the gap between heavenly wisdom and practical stewardship.
The Power of Simplicity: In a world that uses financial "noise" as a phishing scam for your peace, the One-Page Wealth Compass stands as a sanctuary of clarity. David proved that clear direction beats misdirected speed, especially when your "runway" feels as short as a helicopter pad.
The Outcome-Focused Sprint: By praying like it depends on God and working like it depends on you, David engineered a six-year sprint of restoration. His "Monday-morning" logic—incorporating the Two-Minute Friday Meeting—offers a practical path to stop walking in circles and start presiding over your divine calling.

The Monday-Morning Payoff
Whether you are standing on a "sidewalk" of loss or simply looking to activate your "Second Act," the payoff is clear: It is never too late to rewrite your story. By aligning your earthly resources with Heaven’s frequency, you move from a state of quiet desperation to a life infused with purpose, authenticity, and a seven-figure legacy of hope.

"Heaven is a lot closer to your 'daily bread' than you think." — Kristen Wambach
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The Bluebird Encounter: Finding HOPE in the UnThinkable with Jody Hudson ❖ 278

5/1/2026

Forgiveness is life changing. When you wash your hands of that, you become a changed Christian." —Jody Hudson

The Bluebird Encounter: Finding HOPE in the UnThinkable with Joday Hudson ❖ 278 Interviewing Jesus Podcast Spiritual investigative journalist Kristen Wambach

EPISODE TAKEAWAYS

The Dashboard Breakthrough: Why religious politeness can be a barrier to healing and how raw, honest prayer opens the door to relational oneness.
Becoming "Lyme Literate": The importance of seeking experts who possess the testimony and experience to match your specific battle.
The Bluebird Signal: How to sharpen your spiritual senses to recognize the "Rhema" signs Jesus sends to verify you are not forgotten.

The Forgiveness Protocol: A daily choice to "wash your hands" of systemic ignorance and reclaim your territory from the enemy.
The Great Cloud of Witnesses: A perspective shift on how our loved ones continue to partner with our "DNA calling" from their heavenly perspective.

A Breathtaking moment--
Jody shared her raw moment where she gave God an ultimatum. As a spiritual investigative journalist, I’ve found that being "polite" with God often masks the very breakthrough we need.

THE SYMPHONY OF LOVE:
NAVIGATING THE MYSTERY

As a spiritual investigative journalist, I have spent my life helping seekers navigate the mysteries of the soul. Sometimes, those mysteries are quiet and internal; other times, they are as loud and devastating as a 10-year "medical mystery." My conversation with Jody Hudson was an investigation into what happens when our professional expertise meets a life-altering mission.

SUMMARY

"I don't want to be defined as the grief girl." In this soul-stirring conversation on the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, host Kristen Wambach sits down with author and philanthropist Jody Hudson to investigate the supernatural wisdom that emerges from life’s deepest "medical mysteries." Jody shares the raw, "Payoff-First" reality of walking through a ten-year battle with undiagnosed Lyme disease alongside her daughter, Alex.
As a spiritual investigative journalist, Kristen bridges the gap between Jody’s earthly struggle—including foster care, bankruptcy, and systemic medical gaslighting—and the heavenly grit required to remain Spiritually BRAVE. Listeners will discover the "Monday-morning" logic of forgiveness, the importance of becoming "literate" in your own healing journey, and the profound "parting gift" of hope Alex left behind.
Whether you are navigating a chronic illness, a season of loss, or a fight against a broken system, this episode provides a safe path for the heart and a testimony to the restoration of all things.

God was always with me... he built that strength and that determination and grit."—Jody Hudson

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TRANSCRIPT: EPISODE 278
Kristen Wambach (00:01): Welcome, welcome, hello family. How are you doing today? This is Kristen from the Interviewing Jesus Podcast. My mission, our mission together, is to bridge the gap between Heaven and earth. I have spent my life helping seekers navigate the mysteries of the soul and find a safe place and a safe path for the heart. Today, we're not just telling a story of loss; we are investigating the supernatural wisdom that emerges when we stay Spiritually BRAVE. I have a spiritually brave testimony in a body today for you. I am honored to introduce Jody Hudson—an author, speaker, and founder of the Alex Hudson Lyme Foundation.
Kristen Wambach (01:05): With over 18 years of nonprofit leadership, Jody's professional expertise met a life-altering mission when her daughter Alex faced a 10-year medical mystery that was finally diagnosed as Lyme disease. Today, Jody is a highly sought-after motivational speaker who helps others navigate grief and create purpose from pain. Her award-winning memoir, My Promise to Alex, testifies to a mother's grit and a daughter's steadfast faith, proving that even in the deepest mystery, a path of hope is always possible. Welcome, Jody.
Jody Hudson (01:51): Thank you so much for having me. I'm so excited to meet you and see where the Lord leads us in this conversation.
Kristen Wambach (02:01): Amen. I almost called you Alex.
Jody Hudson (02:03): Very interchangeable. I mean, we were one spirit, truly.
Kristen Wambach (02:09): Yes. Jody, I'd like us to open in prayer with our listening family, because I just sense that Holy Spirit is going to do something absolutely tender and marvelous today. Father God, we just thank you for the opportunity of lifting our voices in unity to declare your goodness. We welcome Holy Spirit just to reach out like angels' wings and touch the heart of the listeners. Bring us together like a family sitting at a table with a cup of coffee, talking about who you are and how you have designed us to be strong, to move forward, and to be a mouthpiece for who you are. Would you like to piggyback on that, Jody?
Jody Hudson (03:28): Dear Heavenly Father, we are honored to be here today sharing our message of hope, transformation, and purpose. For those walking through unimaginable losses, let us be an inspiration that through our words, they too can have that resilience, that grit, and that faith. Let them come to know you even deeper through trials and tribulations. Sometimes we are so broken it’s hard to be present because we’re angry or disappointed, but those are the moments where you meet us most. Let us always give you praise, even in the storms. Amen.
Kristen Wambach (04:26): So listeners, we’re just sitting around the table having coffee and holding hands. Jody, your story actually goes farther back with a profound identity challenge—being born to a single mom, being in the foster care system, and essentially raising yourself. I want to know, how did those early years of survival prepare your spirit for the medical mystery battle you would face decades later? Where did Jesus meet this little girl in foster care?
Jody Hudson (05:19): My gosh, Kristen, yes. We don't know when we are walking through life how God is preparing us for things later on. Being born to a mother who could not take care of me, being adopted into a home fighting alcoholism—I truly had to fend for myself. That resilience carried me through marriage, divorce, and bankruptcy. Through it all, God was building that strength and grit. Little did I know what I was going to face with Alex's journey and eventually losing her. My upbringing prepared me for my hardest challenge: being present when my daughter died.
Kristen Wambach (07:14): Mm-hmm. Could you give us snippets of the unique ways God strengthened you? Sometimes we don't acknowledge the simplest affirmations from our Father.
Jody Hudson (07:45): I grew up in a Roman Catholic environment, building that foundation through sacraments. But it wasn't until Alex became sick around age 19 that we delved deeper into our faith. She started going to non-denominational churches to find new ways to worship. I remember holding her hand and being overcome with emotion, thinking, "Wow, God, you've always had me." I realized we had been living a "passive faith," checking boxes. God wants all of us. He wants the spirit there so we can help others through those daily encounters. We need to be prayer warriors. My daughter showed me how to do that through her own transformation.
Jody Hudson (10:30): There were so many beautiful things she witnessed, especially in her last six months. If it’s okay, I’d love to share her parting gift to me, which propelled where I am today.
Kristen Wambach (11:00): Absolutely.
Jody Hudson (11:01): It was March 24th, 2018. A girlfriend called and felt God nudging her to come pray. There were six of us standing around Alex’s bedside. In that moment, I realized God was telling me I needed to let her go because she was hanging on for me. I told her, "Alex, it is going to be incredibly hard to let you go, but you have done everything here on earth that God asked of you. God is saying, 'Good job, my faithful servant.'"
Jody Hudson (13:29): In that moment, she lifted her head from the pillow, looked at the ceiling, and opened her beautiful eyes with a brilliant smile. She gasped with amazement, then closed her eyes and passed. That was her parting gift. She was saying, "Mom, I’m okay, and you’re going to be okay, too." In that moment, I went from a grieving mother to a testimonial mother. We grieve hard because we love hard, but that’s not the end of the story.
Kristen Wambach (15:30): When my father passed, I saw his spirit leave his body before his breath left him. I saw the beauty Jesus prepares for us. When you tell that story about Alex, she absolutely saw Heaven open up.
Jody Hudson (16:59): It is the goodness of God. A friend of Alex’s, Savannah, who also had Lyme disease, reached out later and said she had a vision of Alex with the most beautiful angel wings. She said the work Alex is doing now is far greater than what she did on earth. I believe we all have a far greater purpose in Heaven.
Kristen Wambach (18:28): The cloud of witnesses continues to partner with us from their heavenly perspective. Jody, you mentioned a fight with the medical industry. Many of our listeners feel like they’re fighting systems—health, legal, or religious—to get a breakthrough.
Jody Hudson (19:46): Oh my gosh, the gaslighting that goes on with chronic illnesses is intense. In 2017, the 40th doctor we saw asked if she had been tested for Lyme disease. I was ignorant then; I asked, "What is Lyme disease?" We had been told for ten years it was in her head, that she had an eating disorder, that I was a "drama mother." We were finally vindicated, but then I had to figure out how to treat it. By the grace of God, we connected with resources through a special on the news. For those in a medical challenge not being heard: you have to be your own advocate.
Kristen Wambach (25:15): You used the word "literate." Can you unpack that? Sometimes we speak to an "expert" who isn't actually literate in what we need.
Jody Hudson (25:51): With Lyme, being "literate" means understanding the whole protocol. It’s not just one round of antibiotics. It’s a bacterial infection with co-infections like Bartonella. You have to work with a doctor who understands you can't throw the kitchen sink at a patient all at once. I spent over $100,000 in one year because insurance doesn't cover much of this. You have to find experts who know how to walk through this complicated illness.
Kristen Wambach (29:52): Powerful. Another word I heard in your story was forgiveness. How did Jesus strengthen you to forgive the ignorance that slapped you in the face?
Jody Hudson (30:27): We could spend hours on forgiveness because it’s a constant, daily choice. I had to forgive the medical community, and I had to forgive her father, who was absent and didn't believe she was sick. I found a book called Fervent by Priscilla Shirer. It taught me to realize the battle wasn't just with people, but with how they were being influenced by the enemy. Forgiving so I could be free was life-changing. It’s liberating. You wash your hands of it and suddenly you’ve lost ten pounds of weight in your heart.
Kristen Wambach (35:51): It is a challenge. Sometimes we try to "suck it up" instead of addressing feelings. Holy Spirit told me once, "I can’t comfort you if you don't address what you're feeling."
Jody Hudson (36:51): Exactly. You have to give people grace. Remember how many times God has forgiven us. Don't sit in the "ugly," look for the beauty. Challenge yourself to find five blessings a day—even just a green light at a stoplight.
Kristen Wambach (39:03): Share a memory of Alex—how God made her so unique.
Jody Hudson (39:31): Alex was the "homeless person whisperer." She had a servant’s heart. She would save her money and buy $100 worth of burgers to distribute at the shelter. She identified with their brokenness. Before she passed, she told me she wanted her clothes and books to go to them. We used her books to start a mobile bookmobile through the foundation.
Kristen Wambach (42:33): Beautiful. Now, what is the secret of the bluebird on the cover of her book?
Jody Hudson (42:53): In December 2017, I was pounding on my car dashboard giving God an ultimatum: "Heal her or take her." I went home and saw a bluebird in the fountain. Alex told me it had been coming every day at 3:00 PM for two months. She said, "It’s how I know God has not forgotten me." Later, she told me, "Mom, just look for the bluebird and you'll know that it's me." To this day, I see them all the time. It’s a sign of hope, joy, and beauty.
Kristen Wambach (46:42): Thank you for sharing such a tender story. How can listeners connect with you and the Alex Hudson Lyme Foundation?
Jody Hudson (47:01): Our website is alexhudsonlymefoundation.org. We provide grants and financial assistance to those struggling with treatment costs. You can also find the link to My Promise to Alex on Amazon there.
Kristen Wambach (48:40): I will have all those links in the show notes. Jody, would you please pray for us again and impart that wisdom and strength?
Jody Hudson (49:05): Dear Heavenly Father, let those feeling lost know through my testimony that you are good. We are not meant to walk this journey alone. Pour into them through Kristen's ministry and podcasts. Let us be bold and loud in praising your name in the good times and the hard. Amen.
Kristen Wambach (50:19): Amen. Listeners, I sense there are going to be a lot of bluebird encounters this week. Open your eyes and expect. When you see that bluebird, remember: it means hope. God is putting a sign of hope in your path. Thank you, Jody, for sharing your hope and wisdom today.
Jody Hudson (51:23): Thank you for having me, Kristen.

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The Foundation of Grit

Jody’s story doesn't begin with a diagnosis; it begins with a "fend-for-yourself" childhood in foster care. We often wonder why we walk through early fires, but as a transformation coach, I see the "Monday-morning" logic: God was building the resilience Jody would need to fight for her daughter, Alex.

I went from a grieving mother to a testimonial mother." —Jody Hudson

The Silent Language of Heaven

One of the most tender moments of our chat was the "parting gift" Alex gave Jody. As Alex saw heaven open up—smiling at things the physical eye cannot see—she proved that the kingdom is closer than we think. The bluebird became her signature, a "Rhema mind" activation that continues to show up for Jody today. It reminds us that Jesus is constantly bridging the gap, sending us signs of hope when we are at our most broken.

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“....a symphony of love―one that inspires, empowers, and reminds readers to never give up on life or those we love.” Armen Bacon, author of Griefland: An Intimate Portrait of Love, Loss, and Unlikely Friendship

“...will inspire you, make you cry, laugh, give you hope, and most of all have faith in the eternal love between mother and child.” Ally Hilfiger, author of Bite Me

“Jody's words give voice to the voiceless, patients and caregivers alike, as she heroically shines a light on both their hardships and dreams...” Colonel Nicole Malachowski, USAF (retired), F-15 & F-16 Fighter Pilot

When eleven-year-old Alex Hudson complained that her leg hurt, her mother, Jody, thought it was just growing pains. But for the next ten years, Alex battled with what perplexed doctors deemed a medical mystery. Refusing to let this ambiguous label define her, Alex researched and sought out medical professionals who might help her. After more than forty doctors’ visits and multiple incorrect diagnoses, in May of 2017, Alex finally received the correct diagnosis―Lyme disease. She immediately began aggressive treatment, but would it prove to be too late? Throughout her ever-changing illness, Alex forged ahead and focused on her faith, finding answers, while taking time to serve others. When the physical pain became unbearable, she refused to take medication to ease her suffering. Instead, she chose to keep a clear mind and trust God to guide her as she faced each impossible challenge.

The Literate Path to Healing

Jody spoke about being "Lyme literate." This is a practical key for anyone fighting a system—medical, legal, or religious. We must seek those who have the experience and the testimony to match our needs. Jody’s advocacy through the Alex Hudson Lyme Foundation is the outcome-focused payoff of her pain. She is not just surviving; she is restoring.

Final Summary

This final summary captures the heart of the episode, integrating your spiritual investigative journalist voice with the Best Seller standard of outcome-focused clarity.
EPISODE SUMMARY: BEYOND THE MEDICAL MYSTERY"I need to be the light." In this powerful episode of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, host Kristen Wambach investigates the life-altering journey of Jody Hudson, author of My Promise to Alex. Together, they bridge the gap between a harrowing ten-year "medical mystery" and the supernatural wisdom that emerges when we choose to stay Spiritually BRAVE.
Jody provides a raw, "Payoff-First" testimony of her daughter Alex’s battle with Lyme disease—a journey marked by forty doctors, systemic gaslighting, and a final, victorious faith. As a transformation coach and ordained pastor, Kristen helps navigate the "Monday-morning" logic of Jody’s story: how childhood resilience in foster care and the grit of surviving bankruptcy prepared her to lead a global mission of restoration.
Listeners will find a safe path for their own hearts as Jody describes the "parting gift" of hope Alex left behind and the ongoing "bluebird" encounters that verify heaven’s proximity. This is more than a story of loss; it is a masterclass in relational discernment, the power of being "literate" in your calling, and the daily activation of forgiveness.

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Coaching Church Activation

Jody shared her raw "dashboard-pounding" moment where she gave God an ultimatum. As a spiritual investigative journalist, I’ve found that religious politeness often acts as a barrier to real breakthrough.

The Activation: This Monday morning, find a private space. Drop the "theology" and tell the Father exactly where you feel bankrupt or abandoned.
The Outcome: You are trading a "Logos mind" (facts) for a "Rhema mind" (revelation). Write down the first thought that brings a sense of peace.

THE SHIFT: SHARPENING YOUR SPIRITUAL SENSES The bluebird was a signal of hope that Alex saw long before Jody did. We often miss the "language of Jesus" because we are looking for a lecture when He is sending a sign.

The Activation: Set a "Bluebird Alert" on your phone. For five minutes, stop looking at your "to-do" list and look at your "to-see" list.
The Outcome: This is a daily activation to bridge the gap. You are training your spiritual senses to recognize that you are not alone.

THE AUTHORITY: BECOMING "LITERATE" IN YOUR CALLING Jody had to become "Lyme literate" to navigate a broken system. If you are fighting a system—medical, legal, or religious—you must possess the grit to become an expert in your own restoration.

The Activation: Identify one area where you have felt powerless. Seek out one "literate" resource—a book, a coach, or a foundation—that has a proven testimony of success in that area.
The Outcome: You are moving from "What would Jesus do?" to "Who does Jesus say that I AM?" as a restorer of all things.

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Jesus is never silent—He is simply speaking a language we have to train our senses to hear." —Kristen Wambach

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The Goodness of God is Voice Activated with Laura Bratton ❖ 277

5/1/2026

I am a beloved creation of God. I am not beloved because I have my sight, or because I am reading enough scripture; I am enough here and now on a rainy Monday morning because I am His." —Laura Bratton

THE GOODNESS OF GOD IS VOICE ACTIVATED with Laura Bratton Interviewing Jesus Podcast Spiritual investigative journalist Kristen Wambach

EPISODE TAKEAWAYS

Voice Activation: Stop thinking in circles. Use your audible voice to speak God's truth; it shifts your atmosphere and aligns your heart.
The Mercy Audit: Stop waiting for "neon sign" miracles. Look for "mercy" answers—the practical, everyday provisions that prove you aren't walking alone.
The Trust Bridge: Relationship with the Spirit is built over time. Trust grows as we walk together through the small, daily moments until the rhythm becomes natural.

The Beloved Mandate: You are enough right now. Your worth isn't based on what you do, but on the fact that you are a beloved creation.

Finding the "Hidden Goodness" in Your Darkest Seasons

We often wait for the "neon billboard" miracle to prove that God is good. We look for the cancer to vanish or the sight to return before we are willing to testify to His grace. But as Laura Bratton beautifully shared in our latest conversation, God’s goodness is often found in the "hidden" provisions—the practical resources He places in our path to ensure we never walk alone.

SUMMARY

In this soul-stirring episode of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, host Kristen Wambach sits down for a second time with Laura Bratton—acclaimed author of Harnessing Courage, founder of Ooby Global, and a spiritual investigative journalist of the heart.
The conversation pivots away from the trauma of Laura’s transition into blindness and focuses instead on a "Beyond" posture: recognizing the redemptive, tangible goodness of God in the "Monday-morning" reality of our lives. Laura shares how a quiet walk in a park—listening to the amplified songs of birds—became a sanctuary for God’s presence, proving that when we recalibrate our spiritual senses, His goodness becomes louder than our circumstances.

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TRANSCRIPT: THE GOODNESS OF GOD IS VOICE ACTIVATED
00:00 The Journey of Spiritual Sight: Redemption, Inner Knowing
Kristen Wambach: Imagine waking up tomorrow morning, reaching for your glasses or opening your eyes, and you realize the world you rely on has gone dim. Most of us would be paralyzed by the why or the how, but what if in that moment of darkness you discovered a different kind of sight? One that didn't just help you survive but allowed you to see the heart of Jesus more clearly than ever before. That is the reality of our guest today. She discovered that when the world goes quiet and the lights go out, God's goodness doesn't vanish—it actually gets louder. Today we're stepping beyond the surface to explore a landscape of pure redemption. Returning to the show is my friend, Laura Bratton.
Laura Bratton: Perfect. You’re perfect. Yes, I am.
Kristen Wambach: Returning to the show is my friend, Laura Bratton. She is an acclaimed author, speaker, and global authority on what it means to be spiritually brave. She doesn't just speak about faith; she lives a reality where the goodness of God is a tangible, navigating force. Most of us are distracted by what we see with our physical eyes, often missing the supernatural provision right in front of us. Laura is here to help us recalibrate. She possesses a rare credibility in teaching us how to move past fear and recognize God's unconditional yes over our lives. Help me welcome back to the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, Laura Bratton. Welcome.
Laura Bratton: Thank you. I am so, so excited to be back.

03:39 Experiencing God's Goodness Through the Senses: Birdsong, Nature, Presence
Kristen Wambach: Laura, you often speak about seeing with the heart. For those of us who are sometimes blinded by what we see physically, how does Holy Spirit reveal the tangible goodness of God to our other senses through sound, touch, and that inner knowing that you've cultivated?
Laura Bratton: I want to start with a very practical example that literally happened yesterday. My husband and I were walking in a park, and the birds were just so loud—way more loud than normal. I was able to tune in and it felt like I was just meditating in God's presence while listening to the bird sounds. I wasn't thinking about anything; I was just being present. In those few moments, that's when I could just rest in the faithfulness of God. I experienced God's goodness by observing the sounds rather than being distracted by my to-do lists. It comes through our sight, our sound, and most powerfully, just in that inner knowing—that gut intuition of God's Spirit.

06:32 Grit and Gratitude: Finding Strength in Faith, Beloved Creation
Kristen Wambach: You coined a very powerful phrase: grit and gratitude. In the quiet moments when grit is required just to move forward, how have you found God's goodness acting as the wind at your back, rather than just a distant promise?
Laura Bratton: The spirit that empowers me when it's rainy and cold and you don't want to start the week is knowing and trusting and accepting that I am a beloved creation of God. I am not beloved only when I have my sight or when I'm reading enough scripture. I am enough here and now on that rainy morning because I'm a beloved creation. Using that as my foundation empowers me and gives me the strength to move forward.

09:30 Practical Resources: Recognizing God's Everyday Gifts, Mercy, Provision
Kristen Wambach: How can we better recognize the hidden goodness of God? Sometimes we don't realize the tools that are right there at our disposal. How can we recognize those practical, everyday provisions that ensure we never walk alone?
Laura Bratton: You said the key phrase: practical resources. We often look for God and think, "It’s only God if I receive my sight back," or "It's only God if my cancer is healed." But God is in the daily practical resources. No, I haven't received my sight back, but I have received the gift of guide dogs that changed my life. I have received the gift of Siri and Alexa that I use to control the washing machine, the dryer, the thermostat. That’s God. When we can change our perspective from neon billboard signs to seeing God in every part of our day—that is the game changer.

12:19 Voice Activation: The Power of Speaking Out, Atmosphere, Testimony
Kristen Wambach: There was a word you used—voice activation. You use your voice to turn on the coffee pot or the dryer. I think there's more for us when we're talking to God; we need to learn how to use our voice to activate our own hearts.
Laura Bratton: I agree. There’s something powerful about using our voice. I can be thinking about something I'm struggling with in my head, but once I call a friend and talk it out, it's like, "Okay, yeah, I see God in that." It becomes so obvious. It’s so much more powerful than just thinking about these things in our head by ourselves.
Kristen Wambach: I’ll hear what God said to me in my inner knowing, and sometimes I don't voice it. But when I let it come out of my mouth, that life comes out and begins to change the environment around me.

15:13 Beloved: Understanding Our Worth in God's Eyes, Identity, Enough
Kristen Wambach: When someone feels they are in a dark season where God's goodness feels obscure, what is one spiritually brave activation they can do to reconnect with His light?
Laura Bratton: Believe you are a beloved creation. I cannot say that enough. When we're in those hopeless moments, just tap into that inner knowing: I’m enough. I am loved. Even if you don't cognitively believe it yet, just sit with it in your body. Notice your shoulders dropping and your muscles relaxing. To me, that is the first step. When we can focus on how God views us, that is the first step.

21:16 The Role of Relationships in Recognizing Our Value, Connection, Community
Kristen Wambach: What happens if we don't agree with ourselves or if we don't agree with God that we're worthy? How would we disengage that lie?
Laura Bratton: Call that one person that you know in your world loves you. Is that a friend? A family member? A pet? Call them and say, "Hey, I'm struggling." Let them reassure you. I have a King Charles Spaniel, and I learned so much from her because she loves me if I'm in a good mood or a bad mood. Pets are so good at just being present, sitting at your feet, saying, "I'm in for it all—the anger, the tears, the joy."

28:00 Building Trust: The Process of Relationship with God, The Bridge, Consistency
Kristen Wambach: How long did it take you and your guide dog to learn how to flow together?
Laura Bratton: There was not one magical moment. It was a series of moments that added up to days and weeks. It was a constant ongoing process of daily putting in the trust and listening to how she responded.
Kristen Wambach: Listeners, can you apply that metaphorically? Laura is talking about an experience with her guide dog, and I saw that in how we relate in communion with the Lord. We're building a relationship. There isn't water under the bridge until you've traveled back and forth over that bridge a few times together.

34:00 God's Goodness in All Circumstances: Suffering, Peace, Laughter
Laura Bratton: I want to highlight that God's goodness is present in the good, the bad, and the mundane. I want to make this crystal clear: I am not saying God's goodness is in our suffering. What I am saying is the goodness of God's love is with us in the suffering. God's power is present in it all.
38:12 Outro: Thank you for joining us!
Kristen Wambach: Thank you so much, Laura. Remember, as you walk through your week, keep your ears tuned in for the birds, for nature, and know that you are present in His presence. Thank you.

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The Monday-morning Reality of Grace

Laura, an acclaimed author and spiritual authority who transitioned into blindness, lives a life of "Grit and Gratitude." She reminds us that God is present in the gift of hot water, the sound of birds in the early evening, and the technology that allows us to navigate our homes. When we stop arguing with our circumstances and start recognizing the "unconditional yes" of the Father, our environment begins to shift.

There is something powerful about using our voice. Just as we use our voice to activate the technology in our homes, we must use our voice to activate our own hearts and change the environment around us." —Laura Bratton

Your Voice is the Key

One of the most profound moments of our discussion was the concept of "voice activation." We live in a world where we can turn on a coffee pot with a word, yet we often remain silent in our own spiritual atmosphere. Laura challenges us to open our mouths. When we speak out loud—whether to a friend, a pet, or the Lord—we move the truth from a thought in our heads to a reality in our bodies.

Connect with Laura Bratton

At the age of nine, Laura Bratton was diagnosed with an eye disease and faced the difficult reality that she would become blind.

Over the next ten years, Laura experienced the traumatic transition of adjusting to life without sight. Laura shares the incredible journey of the first thirty years of her life. It is a journey that has been difficult, frustrating, overwhelming, and yet full of courage, joy, and love. Each page of the book shares the different ways that Laura experienced grit and gratitude in the face of adversity.

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You will learn how to apply grit to each difficult situation and experience gratitude moment by moment, regardless of the circumstances. Each chapter of this book gives real-life stories that you can apply to your daily life as you overcome adversity. With determination, perseverance, and gratefulness, you will overcome difficult circumstances.

Experiencing God’s goodness comes through an inner knowing—that gut intuition of the Holy Spirit that reminds us we are never walking alone." —Laura Bratton

The Walk of the Beloved

You are a beloved creation. You are enough right now, not because of what you do, but because of whose you are. If you feel you are in a dark season where God feels distant, remember the metaphor of the guide dog: trust is built one step at a time, one day at a time, traveling back and forth over the same bridge until the flow becomes natural.

Coaching Church Activation

The Goal: To move from feeling "stuck" in your circumstances to recognizing God’s goodness right where you are.
1. The Mercy Audit
Stop looking for a "neon sign" miracle and look for the "mercy" answers.

Identify: Name three practical things helping you get through today (e.g., a supportive friend, a hot cup of coffee, the technology in your hand).
The Truth: These aren't accidents; they are God’s tangible provisions for you.

2. Voice Activation
Your voice is a tool to change your environment.

Speak: Find a private moment to say out loud: "God, I thank You for Your goodness. I am not alone, and I am loved unconditionally." * The Shift: Notice how speaking the truth out loud changes how your body feels compared to just thinking it.

3. The Beloved Rest
Your worth is not a to-do list.

Practice: Sit quietly for two minutes. Breathe in and say "Beloved." Breathe out and say "Enough."
The Outcome: Let your shoulders drop. You aren't loved for what you do; you are loved because you are a beloved creation.

The Path Forward: Trust is built by walking the same bridge of faith every day. If you don't feel "connected" yet, just keep walking. The rhythm will come.

FINAL EPISODE SUMMARY: THE GOODNESS OF GOD IS VOICE ACTIVATED

In this high-velocity episode of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, host Kristen Wambach is joined by returning guest Laura Bratton—acclaimed author, speaker, and a global authority on spiritual resilience. This second conversation moves Beyond the history of Laura’s blindness to explore a landscape of pure redemption and the "Monday-morning" reality of walking in God’s goodness.
The "Monday-morning" Logic of the Kingdom Laura challenges the listener to move past waiting for "neon billboard" miracles and to start recognizing the "mercy answers" hidden in the mundane. Drawing from a practical example of a sunset walk where the birdsong became a meditative sanctuary, she reveals that God’s goodness is a tangible navigating force—often found in the practical resources we take for granted, like hot water, supportive friendships, and even voice-activated technology.
Core Spiritual Activations:

The Power of Your Voice: Laura and Kristen unpack the concept of "Voice Activation." Just as we use our voices to control our digital environments, we must use our audible voices to activate our spiritual atmosphere, moving truth from a thought in our heads to a reality in our bodies.
The Bridge of Trust: Using the beautiful metaphor of a guide dog, the conversation illustrates that relationship with the Holy Spirit isn't a one-time checkmark. It is a daily walk—traveling back and forth over the same bridge of trust until the flow becomes supernatural.
The "Beloved" Mandate: Breaking the cycle of "hopeless despair," Laura offers a spiritually brave activation: simply believing you are a beloved creation. This identity is not based on your sight, your scripture reading, or your productivity, but on the unconditional "Yes" of a Father who sees you as enough right now.

The Bottom Line: This episode serves as a safe path for anyone feeling trapped in a "dark season." It provides the tools to stop arguing with your circumstances and start testifying to the grace that is already present. Laura leaves us with the profound truth that while God’s goodness may not be found in the suffering, His love is always found with us through it.

THE WEEK-ONE OUTCOME
By the end of this episode, listeners will possess a recalibrated spiritual vision. They will move into their week empowered to perform a "Goodness Audit," using their own voices to change their environment and resting in the physical peace of being God's beloved.
"God’s goodness isn't a destination we reach; it is the very air we breathe while we’re on the journey." — Kristen Wambach

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God’s goodness isn't a destination we reach; it is the very air we breathe while we’re on the journey." — Kristen Wambach

MEET THE AUTHOR AND BLOGGER >>

Have you ever felt like there was a thin veil between the world you see and the supernatural wisdom your heart is longing for? If so, you’ve found a safe path home.
I’m Kristen Wambach, and for over 20 years, I have operated as a spiritual investigative journalist. My mission is simple but profound: I document the heart of Jesus and the tangible ways Heaven touches earth to bring about supernatural transformation in our daily lives.

Hey There Interviewing Jesus Podcast Spiritual investigative journalist Kristen Wambach

Beyond the Surface
Whether I am hosting the Interviewing Jesus Podcast or writing my next book, I lead with a "Beyond" posture. I’m not interested in arguing doctrine or staying stuck in the pews of theory. I am interested in the redemption stories, the raw testimonies, and the practical "how-to" of living Spiritually BRAVE.
I believe that spiritual maturity isn't about how much you know; it’s about how much you see and how you respond to the unconditional "Yes" of God over your life.
A Life of Practical Grace
My journey didn't start in a library; it started on an Oregon farm. That "farm girl" work ethic follows me into everything I do today—from coaching entrepreneurs to researching the latest backyard wildlife solutions at Rabbitrail Supply. I believe God is just as present in the mundane details of your morning coffee as He is in the grandest miracle.
When you work with me or listen to the podcast, you can expect:

Outcome-Focused Wisdom: I don't just share ideas; I share activations that help you see results in your first week.
Clarity & Accessibility: No "churchy" barriers. Just straight talk, straight quotes, and a focus on the goodness of the Kingdom.
Authentic Authority: With decades of mastery as an ordained pastor and transformation coach, I bring a trusted, biblically sound voice to every conversation.

Join the Conversation
I am a wife of over 40 years, a mother to four adult sons, and a "Grandma" to the beautiful Liesel June. My life is a testament to the fact that when you bridge the gap between Heaven and earth, your entire reality begins to rewrite itself.
I invite you to step into The Wisdom Vault, subscribe to the podcast, and join a community of seekers who are ready to hear God’s voice and live with purpose, authenticity, and divine wisdom.
I’m so glad you’re here. Let’s be Spiritually BRAVE together.

My Why Interviewing Jesus Podcast Spiritual investigative journalist Kristen Wambach

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FROM NASA ENGINEER TO FAITH: The Physics of Trusting God in the dark— with Sean Hayden ❖ 276

4/23/2026

Faith isn't powerful because it's big, but because it's alive." —Sean Hayden

FROM NASA ENGINEER TO FAITH: THE PHYSICS OF TRUSTING GOD IN THE DARK with Sean Hayden ❖ 276 Interviewing Jesus Podcast

EPISODE TAKEAWAYS

The Physics of the Mustard Seed: Why faith isn't powerful because it’s big, but because it is alive.
The Responsibility Shift: How to move the burden of your breakthrough from your shoulders back to God’s.
Engineering vs. Kingdom Logic: Tuning into the "frequency" of Heaven and turning down the volume of the world.

Love Over Duty: Redefining obedience as a relational response to an audaciously good Father rather than a harsh requirement.
The Ephesians Activation: A practical prayer for enlightenment and wisdom when you can't see the path ahead.

The Physics of Faith The Mechanics of the Mustard Seed

We often think of faith as a heavy-lifting exercise—a muscle we have to strain to make things happen. But Sean Hayden, a former Boeing engineer who once worked on NASA’s Space Launch System, sees it differently. After years of designing rockets and satellites, Sean discovered that the most powerful "engine" in the universe isn't made of steel and fuel; it’s the mustard seed of faith described in Scripture.
In our recent conversation on the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, Sean brought a unique perspective to the spiritual walk. He reminds us that faith isn't valuable because it’s massive or impressive to others. Its power lies in the fact that it is alive.

SUMMARY

In this episode of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, Kristen Wambach sits down with former Boeing engineer Sean Hayden to discuss the practical mechanics of faith through his book, GROW IN THE DARK. Sean shares his journey from designing NASA power systems to surviving near-death experiences, illustrating that faith isn’t powerful because it is big, but because it is alive. They explore the Monday-morning logic of the mustard seed principle, teaching listeners how to shift the responsibility of a breakthrough from their own shoulders back to God. By redefining obedience as a loving response to an audaciously good Father rather than a heavy duty, this conversation helps bridge the gap between current darkness and promised breakthrough. From tuning into the frequency of the Holy Spirit to activating the power of the Ephesians prayer, Sean provides a structural roadmap for anyone who feels buried by life’s circumstances to realize they are actually planted for a great harvest.

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Episode Transcript: FROM NASA ENGINEER TO FAITHKristen Wambach (00:01):
Welcome, welcome family. How are you doing today? This is Kristen from the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, and I’ve got a surprise for you. Every once in a while, you meet someone whose life story feels like a masterclass in the "Monday-morning," get-it-done logic of heaven, where high-level science meets raw and unshakeable faith. Today, I’m sitting down with a man who has designed power systems for NASA, rockets, and satellites, but found his greatest engineering feat was learning how to build a life on the mustard seed principle. Sean Hayden is a former Boeing engineer, a digital marketing expert, and now the author of Grow in the Dark. You’re going to love it; it’s a great book. He’s survived near-death experiences in the air and on the road, walked through the miraculous healing of his son, and is currently running an excavator on a 150-acre dream called Hayden Haven. Sean, you said that our darkest season is actually our growing season and that faith isn’t powerful because it’s big, but because it’s alive. I am so honored to have you here today to help us bridge the gap between our current darkness and the breakthrough God has already promised. Sean, welcome to the show.
Sean Hayden (01:45):
Thanks for having me. I’m real excited to be here.
Kristen Wambach (01:48):
It is, it is. And for my YouTube listeners, there you are—there’s the book. It’s a humdinger. You’re going to love the structure in it; you know me, I’m a structure kind of gal. Sean, you write that faith isn't powerful because it’s big, but because it’s alive. When you were in those near-death moments—that tangled parachute or motorcycle crashes—what did you discover about the aliveness of the faith Jesus placed in you?
Sean Hayden (02:35):
Well, that’s a great question. It all stems back to what happened before. Faith comes by hearing and hearing of the Word of God. Being in the Word gives you the strength to know where your covenant lies and what’s going to help you out at any given point. Knowing that God is always there for you, even if His best interest is taking you out of the world. Growing in the dark is about using your previous faith-building experiences—the times God showed up—and building on those. It doesn't matter how small or big it is; there’s always another step because we never reach full completeness until the end.
Kristen Wambach (04:07):
I say often that God is very interested in our transformation. You use the mustard seed principle as your metaphor. How did Jesus develop your spiritual eyes in those places that seemed dark?
Sean Hayden (04:59):
It’s really about being in the Word. No one sees the seed sprouting in the ground; they just see the fruit. It’s the same for us. No one sees you spending time in your relationship with God in the darkness. You have to be filled with the Word for it to come out. Turning down the volume of the world—bad music, bad TV—and turning up the volume of the Word. Speaking it out loud is way more impactful because it changes the atmosphere. It’s more than academic; it’s a love letter. If I talk to everyone else about my wife but never spend time with her personally, we won’t have a deep relationship. It’s the same with God.
Kristen Wambach (08:16):
The communion becomes a meal that is sustenance to our body. If you haven't partaken of that sustenance, you're missing that communication.
Sean Hayden (09:09):
Exactly. And there’s never an end point. God is full of abundance and over-supply. It’s exciting.
Kristen Wambach (09:34):
I love your quote: "The moment you release your seed into obedience, you shift responsibility from yourself to God." I needed to hear that because, like you, I just released a book. You have to be obedient. What did it feel like when you released your book—your signature that puts you as an author?
Sean Hayden (11:21):
Relief. I knew at that point it was truly not mine anymore. You plant the seeds, you water them, but God makes it grow. Once it’s out there, it is 100% out of your hands. God rewards obedience. I had this epiphany with my daughter writing her name—she only got a few letters right, but I was so proud because I knew her intent. I think God knows our intent, too. Even if we step out and it’s not perfectly what He wanted, He blesses the effort. That led to my huge leap of moving my family with no job security. We were blessed abundantly because I was obedient to that whisper.
Kristen Wambach (15:44):
How did you develop that hunger for wanting to walk out the DNA God planted inside of you?
Sean Hayden (16:22):
I prayed for the desire. I asked God to soften my heart and give me the desire to know Him more. Relationship with God is literally everything. If I had to start over, I would just start praying.
Kristen Wambach (18:15):
I’ve made life choices without asking His opinion, and yet His grace was so sufficient. How has God built in you the sense that there isn't regret—that this is all part of your path?
Sean Hayden (19:24):
I’ve been a weird person my entire life; I never really fit in a box. Since I was a child, I could feel things in the spirit. I’ve always had comfort when I followed that leading, and things went wrong when I didn't. I took weird jumps in my career, but God was guiding me. I didn't give Him enough credit until we moved to Kentucky. I gave up a huge management position to do rocket engineering—which was boring compared to what I did before—but God blessed me because I did what He led me to do. It wasn't God yelling; it was a leading.
Kristen Wambach (25:58):
In 2 Corinthians 10:5, it talks about taking every thought captive. We spend so much time blocking noise, but we need to train ourselves to take His thoughts captive—to hold that whisper in our hearts and let it sprout.
Sean Hayden (26:55):
That is good! I’ve not thought of it that way.
Kristen Wambach (27:16):
You were an engineer at Boeing working on satellites—communication structures. I hear that you are a communication structure as a feeler.
Sean Hayden (28:08):
For sure. As an engineer, I was best at helping the group organize and communicating between rough engineers and softer business people. God helped inside engineering, too. He would tell me where to put effort. He blesses the people around you so that you are blessed.
Kristen Wambach (29:46):
When you feel God moving your faith feet, you feel His goodness. How do you feel that movement, which makes the word "obedience" softer?
Sean Hayden (30:31):
I don’t even view obedience like that anymore. It’s love. If someone you love asks for a cup of water, you don’t think, "How dare you." You just do it. God is the true love. He suggests things out of love, and I respond in kind. If you continue to deny the leadings of God, they get quieter. My mind is louder when I’m out of the Word.
Kristen Wambach (34:14):
Like a satellite, God is always releasing a sound. I had to learn how to listen.
Sean Hayden (35:20):
That’s right. He’s constantly calling you home because He loves you, not because He wants a slave. We are family.
Kristen Wambach (36:46):
I relate to the woman at the well. I had to learn His love first to melt my preconceived notions and harder structures.
Sean Hayden (39:18):
My wife wasn’t saved for most of our relationship. Once she was baptized, the veil was removed. Before, it wouldn't click. I’ve seen the consequences of people stepping away from faith, and it’s scary. I can feel if someone is spirit-filled now; you almost want to hug them because you can feel Jesus in them.
Kristen Wambach (43:37):
God is so audaciously good that He thought about His kids before He ever spoke. We cannot separate His fatherhood from His kids. Sean, how can people connect with you?
Sean Hayden (47:27):
Grow in the Dark is on Amazon. My website is growinthedark.life.
Kristen Wambach (47:54):
If someone feels buried rather than planted, what is one simple activation they can do?
Sean Hayden (48:45):
Pray the Ephesians prayer (Ephesians 1:16-20). Ask for enlightenment, wisdom, and revelation. I will pray that for everyone today. (Sean Prays).
Kristen Wambach (51:22):
Amen. I had a vision while you were praying—you were pushing a grocery cart and pulling resources off the shelves for everyone who hears that prayer. Sean, thank you for joining us today.
Sean Hayden (53:14):
Thank you, I appreciate it.

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Growing in the Dark

The title of Sean’s book, Grow in the Dark, serves as a profound metaphor for the seasons we all face—those times when we feel buried by circumstances, silenced by transition, or blinded by uncertainty. As Sean points out, no one sees a seed sprout. The most vital work happens in the hidden, quiet places where the world isn't watching.
This is what Sean calls "Kingdom logic." In the natural world, we want to see the harvest before we believe the seed is working. In the Kingdom, the growth happens while we are still in the dirt. If you feel buried right now, you might actually be planted.

The Responsibility Shift

One of the most striking moments of the interview was Sean’s "Monday-morning" take on obedience. He says, "The moment you release your seed into obedience, you shift responsibility from yourself to God. Now it’s His job to make it grow."
For many of us, the "wait" is the hardest part. We try to micromanage the outcome, hovering over our "seeds" with anxiety. But when we treat obedience as an act of love rather than a harsh requirement, the burden lifts. We aren't servants trying to earn a paycheck; we are family members acting out of a relationship. When Sean moved his family across the country with no job security, he wasn't just being "obedient"—he was responding to the loving whisper of a Father who had already made provision for him.

The moment you release your seed into obedience, you shift responsibility from yourself to God." —Sean Hayden

CONNECT WITH SEAN HAYDEN

In Grow in the Dark, Sean Hayden shares what it looks like to believe God for miracles when nothing seems to be changing. This book is about what happens after you plant the seed and explores the reasons that keep most people from planting one in the first place.

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Grow in the Dark by Sean Hayden, guest on Interviewing Jesus Podcast

Have you ever felt like God gave you a promise—but then it took forever to see it come to pass?

You believe He can do the impossible, but struggle to believe you’re capable of carrying the vision through to the end. It’s not that you don’t want the breakthrough—it’s that you can’t wrap your mind around how it’s going to work out in the end. That fear of the unknown has kept you from believing that seed of faith you’ve planted will ever actually grow.

The tiny seed knew that in order to grow, it needed to be covered with dirt, buried in darkness, and struggle to reach the light." — Sandra Kring

Turning Up the Volume of the Word

Sean’s background in engineering communication structures (satellites) gives him a unique view of how we "receive" from God. God is always speaking—like a satellite constantly broadcasting a signal—but our "reception" depends on what we choose to tune into.
To hear the whisper of the Spirit, we have to intentionally turn down the volume of the world—the secular noise, the "rough language" of our environments, and the loud thoughts of our own minds—and turn up the volume of the Word. Sean advocates for speaking the Word out loud. Why? Because it changes the atmosphere. It reminds our bodies and our spirits who is in charge.

The "Toddler" Perspective

In one of the most touching stories of the episode, Sean recalled his daughter learning to write her name. She only got two letters right before scribbling the rest, but as a father, he celebrated it as a masterpiece. He knew her intent.
God looks at our faith the same way. We might feel like we’re scribbling, but He sees the heart. We are seated in heavenly places, not because we’ve mastered the "mechanics" of religion, but because we are His kids.

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ACTIVATION: THE RESPONSIBILITY SHIFT

If you are standing in a dark season today, don't focus on the darkness. Focus on the enlightenment. Sean’s final call to action was to pray the "Ephesians Prayer" (Ephesians 1:16-20). Ask for the eyes of your heart to be enlightened. Trust that the Father who thought of you before the world began is currently tending to the seed you’ve planted.
Your harvest is coming. It’s just growing in the dark for now.

In his book GROW IN THE DARK, Sean Hayden reminds us of a powerful "Monday-morning" truth: The moment you release your seed into obedience, you shift the responsibility from yourself to God. Most of us are exhausted because we are trying to do God's job. We plant the seed, but then we try to "micromanage" the soil, "hustle" the sprout, and "worry" the harvest into existence. This activation is designed to help you physically and spiritually transfer the burden of the "how" and "when" back to the Father.
THE ACTION STEP:

Identify the "Seed": Write down one area of your life where you have been obedient (a project, a prayer, a transition, or a relationship), but you are currently carrying the stress of the outcome.
The Hand-Off: Find a physical seed, a small stone, or even a piece of paper. Hold it tightly in your hand. Feel the tension in your grip—this represents your "hustle" and anxiety.
The Prayer of Release: Open your hand and place that object on a table or in the dirt. Speak this out loud:

"Father, I have been obedient to plant this. According to your Word, it is now your responsibility to make it grow. I release the 'how' and the 'when' to You. I am the planter; You are the Life-Giver. I choose to rest in the dark, knowing You are working where I cannot see."
THE MONDAY-MORNING OUTCOME: For the next seven days, every time an anxious thought about this situation arises, say: "That is no longer my responsibility; it’s in the Father’s garden." Watch how your energy shifts from "striving" to "tending" your own peace.
THE ANCHOR:

"I planted the seed, Apollos watered it, but God has been making it grow." — 1 Corinthians 3:6

FINAL SUMMARY

In this episode of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, Kristen Wambach and author Sean Hayden bridge the gap between NASA-level engineering and raw, unshakeable faith. Exploring the core message of his book, GROW IN THE DARK, Sean reveals that our darkest seasons aren’t graves meant to bury us, but gardens meant to plant us. By applying "Monday-morning" logic to the mustard seed principle, the conversation explores how to shift the burden of your breakthrough back to God, turning down the volume of the world to hear the constant signal of the Holy Spirit.
Sean’s journey—from surviving motorcycle crashes to running an excavator on his 150-acre dream—serves as a powerful reminder that obedience is simply a loving response to an audaciously good Father. If you are ready to move from striving to resting in the "physics of trust," this episode is your roadmap.
Connect & Grow. We’d love to hear how this episode helped you shift your perspective today. Connect with Sean at growinthedark.life to grab his book and activations. For more soul-stirring conversations and lifestyle tools to help you live Spiritually BRAVE, visit KristenWambach.com or join our community in the Coaching Church. Let’s bridge the gap between heaven and earth together.

Faith is taking the first step even when you don't see the whole staircase." — Martin Luther King Jr.

MEET THE AUTHOR & PODCASTER

"Hi, I’m Kristen Wambach, the host of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast and the author of The Spiritually BRAVE Journey.
My own path to supernatural wisdom and sonship began much like this picture—on the deck of this 40 ft sailboat, looking out at the vast Pacific Northwest horizon and asking big questions about faith, risk, and what it truly means to follow Jesus into the deep. As a transformation coach, podcaster, and author, my passion is helping people navigate the gap between their current season and the breakthrough God has promised.

"God is so much "Gooder" than our current bandwidth about Him."

This interview with Sean Hayden, the author of GROW IN THE DARK, is a powerful reminder that our darkest seasons are actually our greatest growing seasons.
So grab a cup of coffee and your journal, and let’s dive into what it means to be Spiritually BRAVE."

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Stop Mission Who You Were: How the Fire Rewrites Your DNA ❖ 273

4/8/2026

He will give you beauty for ashes... you have to allow those old thoughts and habits to burn away." —Jesikah Wells

Stop Missing Who You were, How the Fire Rewrites Your DNA with Jesikah Wells Interviewing Jesus Podcast

In this spirit-led episode, host Kristen Wambach and Jesikah Wells unpack how life’s "fires" do not destroy your DNA—they redefine it for a new realm. Jesikah shares why we must stop missing who we were to discover who we are in the heart of a Father who is obsessed with the smallest details of our restoration.

From the "Closet Strategy" of divine appointments to ending the cycle of empty-handed prayer, this conversation provides a practical blueprint for moving from burnout to being spiritually brave. Tune in to witness a prophetic release of business doors and life-changing documents currently being blown into your season.

EPISODE TAKEAWAYS Your Blueprint for Beauty

The DNA of Fire: Stop viewing loss as destruction; fire redefines your spiritual DNA for a brand-new realm.
The Discovery Shift: Quit trying to recover who you were and start discovering who you are in the Father's heart.
The Closet Strategy: God is obsessed with the jots and tittles; He uses your shoes and your blazer to open divine doors.
End Empty-Handed Prayer: Honor God’s voice by showing up with a pen; a record is required for your restoration.
Kingly Searching: Treat spiritual mysteries as a royal invitation to search out the heart of your Father.
The Vindicator’s Rule: When you stop defending yourself, you allow Jehovah Shafat to judge your case righteously.
Grace for the Grind: Healing your central nervous system starts by putting yourself on your own to-do list.
Prophetic Documents: The wind of the Spirit is currently releasing business plans, diagnoses, and legal answers into your hands.

Why You Aren't Missing Who You Were—You're Discovering Who You Are.

Have you ever looked at a season of your life and seen nothing but scorched earth? Perhaps it was a divorce, a career burnout, or a loss that felt so total it seemed to erase your very identity. We often talk about "beauty for ashes" as a nice poetic sentiment, but Jesikah Wells, host of the Broken to Beautiful podcast, knows that the process is much more visceral. It is a rewriting of your spiritual DNA.

God is in all the details. He cares what I wear, He cares how I speak." —Jesikah Wells

SUMMARY

In this deeply tender episode, I am joined by Jesikah Wells, host of the Broken to Beautiful podcast, to explore what it truly means to reclaim beauty from the ashes. We move beyond the poetic sentiment of restoration to look at the visceral reality of life’s fires, realizing that while fire may burn away our old mannerisms and doormat mentalities, it does not destroy our DNA—it redefines it for a new realm. Jesikah shares a powerful correction from the Holy Spirit: many of us spend our energy missing who we were before the tragedy, when God is actually inviting us to finally discover who we are in Him.
Our conversation highlights a Father who is obsessed with the details, from the shoes we put on to stand in our calling to the specific blazer in our closet that He uses to open a divine door. We dive into the practical "Monday-morning" logic of restoration, discussing how to disassociate our temporary feelings from our eternal personality and why we must stop practicing "empty-handed prayer". Jesikah recounts a convicting moment when the Lord challenged her for not bringing a journal or pen to their meeting, reminding us that restoration requires a record and an expectation that Heaven will provide real strategies.
As we wrap up, we explore the identity of Jehovah Shafat, the Righteous Judge, who acts as a "Girl Dad" and protector for His daughters. We discuss the importance of leaving our vindication in His hands rather than taking matters into our own hands through social media or self-defense. The episode concludes with a profound prophetic vision of the wind of the Holy Spirit blowing across documents and legal transactions, signifying that God is currently sealing futures, changing diagnoses, and opening business opportunities for those who feel far from finished.

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Kristen Wambach (00:01): Hello, Interviewing Jesus podcast family. How are you today? My secret surprise, I have a weapon for you. I am joined by a woman who truly understands what it means to reclaim beauty for ashes. Jessica Wells is a speaker, a leader, and the host of the Broken to Beautiful podcast, where she creates a safe space for women to navigate healing and God-centered transformation.
Kristen Wambach (00:35): With a background in wealth management and branding, boy, can she make those graphics up. I've asked her a few times. Jessica owns her own life was redefined in 2020 when she moved from simply knowing God, knowing the songs, knowing the melody of faith to embodying His living Word—that's Jesus Himself—through a season of profound personal loss and burnout. Today she serves as a powerful voice for those navigating the ebbs and flow of life, teaching us how to walk boldly in our God-given identity. Welcome, Jessica.
Jesikah Wells (01:23): Thank you for having me.
Kristen Wambach (01:27): Yay, yay, and we have a little bit of a—I was on her show I think just about a year ago and it was just so tender and so wonderful, so it is wonderful to get another opportunity to sit down and let Holy Spirit just move amongst us, amen.
Jesikah Wells (01:50): Amen. Yes.
Kristen Wambach (01:52): Would you share with our listeners, Beauty for Ashes? You talk about God not being a halfway God, and He doesn't just feel part way, that He really just digs into what we would classify broken, but He doesn't see us as broken. Would you unpack that for us?
Jesikah Wells (02:18): Yes. So I think it's important for us to just remember that God is in all of the details. He cares about everything. And when we start thinking about it from that standpoint—like the Lord cares what I wear, He cares how I speak, how I conduct myself. I'm His child, right? That's the God that we serve.
Jesikah Wells (02:49): And when we think about it in that totality, how He wants to be included. And when we start including Him in every little thing—you know, Lord, what do you ask you to do today? Lord, how should I handle this? Should I wear this? Should I not? And allow Him to just lead you in every step of the way. He really does, just like it says in the book of Isaiah, what my podcast is founded off of, Isaiah 61.
Jesikah Wells (03:19): He will give you beauty for ashes. And when we think about ashes, the first thing that comes to mind is something being burnt down to ashes. So you have to allow those old thoughts, those old mannerisms, the old ways that you used to conduct yourself, those old habits to burn away, right? And He will give you—you have to trust Him to do that for you. It's all about the trust, trusting Him to be a part of those small moments, trusting Him to take what you have been through and are going through if you're going through something and to give you that beauty for actions.
Kristen Wambach (04:07): I agree with you; sometimes it's just so dialed down even to what you're wearing. I have on my favorite Converse high tops; there's leather there—I stick my foot up on the desk, you know, so the YouTubers can see it—but when I put those shoes on I just feel like I am standing in the attitude of what He's called me and who He's called me to be. Simply by a goofy pair of shoes that I got at a thrift store.
Jesikah Wells (04:44): Right, right. My goodness. When I tell you, Kristen, similar incident with myself: I was going to this event and I'm like, "Lord, I don't have anything new. What should I wear?" And Holy Spirit was like, "Wear this blazer". It was so funny. I'm like, "This is a blazer in the back of my closet. I haven't worn it in years, had it for years." When I put that blazer on, went to the event, I got so many compliments on just that—I mean, men and women. And I'm like, "Okay, I see, Lord, you're on to something. You're on to something." And I made so many connections that night just off of compliments. So listen.
Kristen Wambach (05:28): Could you—I love where we're at with the beauty for ashes. Sometimes we look at the ashes totally being burned. It's almost like you can't even find the DNA of what remained. Because the burning actually, the fire changes the DNA. So if you were to imagine a forest or a tree or firewood, it does change the DNA. But actually what it does, it just puts it in a different realm because it still remains a tree. So would you unpack for us how you have found beauty and maybe even the practical part of how you set yourself down to actually feel that way?
Jesikah Wells (06:25): Yeah, yeah. So just like you said, the burning away, right? And it burns down. I remember when the Lord first started dealing with me and His purpose for my life—not my purpose, not what Jessica wanted to do or what I thought I should be doing. With His purpose for my life, it felt as if my entire mind was being rewired, the way that I used to think. And I was literally blown away. I'm like, "Wait a minute now, this is crazy. First of all, I'm a PK. I don't know, I'm a church kid. I grew up in church, right?" So, hey—yes, a pastor's kid, right?
Kristen Wambach (07:08): Let's play hands on you right now. He's a pastor's kid. People, if you're not familiar with the lingo.
Jesikah Wells (07:22): It's like, my gosh, I always hear these scriptures, I always hear this song in church, but it was different when the Lord started revealing His purpose for my life and His word became alive—meaning I had to walk it out, right? And with the sense of beauty, like you said, even the practical, those things, it goes back to what I previously said about allowing Him in those spaces.
Jesikah Wells (07:54): I just noticed how He changed my appearance. I've always been the girly girl, right, Kristen? I like all things feminine—the hair, the makeup, the nails, all those things. And even in that, He speaks to me. Like, "Okay, maybe I don't need to dye my hair hot pink this time," you know? But allowing Him that space to say, "Why don't you try this or that?" He's going to prepare you for where you're going for His purpose.
Jesikah Wells (08:29): He's going to extract that beauty. At the time, you may not feel like it is while you're going through, while you're being prepped, while you're being pruned and positioned. You may not feel like it, but trust me, it is all in His plan. I'm thinking about something He's been dealing with me with lately—and it may be a topic of my show, I don't know, I'm still praying about it—but it is how to rebuild and recover after those seasons of loss, after those seasons of preparation and pruning, how do you get back to who you are?
Jesikah Wells (09:12): And I don't mean get back to who you used to be before you allowed the Lord to take the lead, because I found myself coming out of a hard season and I went to say to someone, "I miss who I was." And the Holy Spirit corrected me: "You don't miss who you were; you miss who you are". It's not who you were in the past, but you miss being able to do the things that I've already instilled in you to do. Looking how you would look, you know, on a good day if everything was going just perfectly for you.
Jesikah Wells (09:59): So don't say you miss who you were, because I don't miss who I was, I miss who I am. And in that, He started taking me on this path of rebuilding—getting back to rest, getting back to beauty treatments that I like, getting back into the habit of those things, calming my central nervous system. He will get you back to the beauty. Trust me, it's beauty that is being extracted. You don't have to worry if your season feels crazy, out of this world, you don't know what's happening. Trust me, the Lord will get you back here. You're not gonna be left there, okay? You just have to see it through. And He'll bring you back and you will be able to look like, "My gosh, look at who I am now. Look at how I speak. Look at how I look. Look at how I steward my children versus who I was before this". So yeah, He's extracting that beauty. That's it.
Kristen Wambach (11:04): In my own life, sometimes in those trying seasons or tough seasons—I'm just about ready to publish my second book. And so you're just kind of frazzled from doing all of the online stuff and finding all those little jots and tittles and typos. It's just exasperating at times, but it's the Lord that's calling you to share who you are and share your words. What is a little tool that you activate with yourself to actually see Jesus right there in those places where we just as soon hide—you know, He's not in the room, He's not in the house today—how does He show you that, "No, I'm actually sitting right here. You are never alone"?
Jesikah Wells (12:16): I usually find that literally how the scripture says: lean not to your own understanding. That when I was going through is what I kept hearing Holy Spirit say. Because in my mind I'm like, "What is going on? This is nuts to me". Holy Spirit is "lean not to your own understanding." So what I personally do is I get quiet. I get quiet because our minds, the way that we are wired as humans, we're always thinking, we're always on the go. I'm a forward thinker, right? And sometimes that's to my own demise, because I'm always trying to figure out the next move.
Jesikah Wells (13:00): And I've learned in those moments when it's so much pressure, you feel like, "Okay, God is not here," I just quiet myself. I quiet my mind. I turn on my worship music. Or some SK Murray, some of his frequencies—444, the frequency of David. I turn on some of that and I just sit. I just sit and just allow the music to minister. And before you know it—I know me—sometimes I'm crying, sometimes I'm praising, but whatever it is, it's a release. But I have to get myself to just sit. I don't care—my kids know—I'm like, "Okay, if I just have to go in the restroom and close the door with my cell phone, just have a moment. Quiet my mind." When I come out, I'm a better person. I have the strength that I need. And I find myself saying, "Thank you, Lord, for your strength. It's not me, but it's your strength that is perfect".
Kristen Wambach (14:09): Yes, yes. Yeah, I don't know if you remember, but I have four adult sons. How many you have—three?
Jesikah Wells (14:16): Yeah, I have three. One adult son and then my middle and my baby boy—so all boys.
Kristen Wambach (14:26): No wonder we like pink so much.
Jesikah Wells (14:29): Yes! Poor moms. We're the best. I'm just kidding.
Kristen Wambach (14:34): I know, and it's true, you do have to just go in and close yourself behind those closed doors. I really affirm you because in my—with my four sons—I actually notice a little bit of a difference between my two older ones and my younger ones because I was a heck of a lot more transformed with the younger ones. My older ones we had to do more "I'm sorry" forgiveness stuff. Do you notice anything like that?
Jesikah Wells (15:12): Yeah, definitely. So my oldest is in college right now. And yes, definitely. He is the oldest child; he remembers everything. But he's also gotten to see me grow. So it's so cool when he calls me, he's like, "Mom, I see you're doing this, you're doing that. This is amazing." And I'm like, "Thank you". So he got to see the most of my journey from where I was to where I am today. And it's just—yeah, I see the difference. I know my baby boy is my praise partner. So he's the one that's like, "Mom, we believe God and let's just praise God together". But yeah, I definitely see that as well. He doesn't know previous mommy.
Kristen Wambach (15:59): Yes, and my older ones actually saw me doing the life application of forgiving, because they were right there in how God was developing that.
Jesikah Wells (16:18): Yeah. I think mine would be standing up for myself—no longer being a "yes girl" or being someone's doormat, you know? Especially my oldest, I know he's like, "Wow." I've heard him say it to his brothers, like, "Mom sacrificed a lot." And I'm like, "I didn't know that you noticed! I had no idea you were watching". So yeah, that would be mine.
Kristen Wambach (16:53): So as we're talking about it today, you referred to a "yes girl." What did that used to look like? What were some of the behaviors and how has that changed to where you have more beauty and self-respect and healthy boundaries? Can you kind of give us a "before" and where you are right now?
Jesikah Wells (17:18): Yes. So boundaries are a must, and it's something that, like we said, I'm teaching my two younger sons—that it's okay to have healthy boundaries. And it's a lesson that the Lord had to teach me: to stand up for myself. Don't just allow people to say and do whatever they want to you. Now, we do all things in peace and love—let's be clear—Jesus is our example. But there is a righteous way to stand up for yourself, and that's what the Lord had to literally show me by allowing these things to happen. It's like, "Hey, I want to blow up," and the Lord is like, "Be angry and sin not". And I'm like, "Okay, okay, so how am I supposed to navigate this, Lord?" "Be angry, but sin not." And to literally take it to Him, cast my cares on Him. "Lord, this is how I feel in this moment. This person betrayed me. This person lied on me. I'm angry, but I'm not gonna sin. I'm not gonna hate them. I'm not gonna curse them. I'm not gonna cause them physical harm. I'm giving it to you so that you can heal me so that I can be okay from this and get to that forgiveness," right, what you were talking about? So it's a process and yeah, the Lord had to teach me.
Kristen Wambach (18:53): I absolutely love what you said there, that you had to give it to Him, that you had to allow yourself to be angry. So that means that you were releasing the feeling and having that conversation with Holy Spirit about the feeling. Tell us how important that is for us to talk about how we feel with Holy Spirit.
Jesikah Wells (19:15): Yes. My gosh, it is so important. Like I said earlier, the Lord wants to be included. He wants to know how you feel. He knows, but He wants to be in the incident—He wants to be in the conversation. And when you take it—like you said, "Holy Spirit, look, this is how I am feeling"—and when you start disassociating the feeling from your personality. Just because I feel angry doesn't mean I'm an angry person, right? So I can not like what someone does to me without taking on that as my personality—"I'm just mean and don't like anybody" or "I'm snapping at everyone" like that. No. So you are entitled to have a feeling, whether it's sad, it's happy, it's mad—you can have it. There is nothing wrong with that, right? But it's what you do with it that matters. If you sit there and you pet it like a little pet on your lap and then it manifests and the next thing you know, you're cussing somebody out or getting into a physical altercation—come on. So yes, take it to the Lord in prayer. He means what He says when He says, "Vengeance is mine." He means it. He sees all, He knows all.
Kristen Wambach (20:49): Yes, yes, and He's so loving about it. I love where it makes me chuckle when you say, "Don't sit around and pet it like a little pet sitting on your lap". Those are the times that I have to catch myself from having the argument in my brain when it goes round and round and round, and I have a moment of surrender and go, "I have to identify I need help with this".
Jesikah Wells (21:28): Yeah, "I'm spending too much time here—too much time in this. Yeah, I need your help".
Kristen Wambach (21:32): "I need help. It needs to go away. It needs to be given to Him." And many times I have to ask Him, "And how do I release this to you"?
Jesikah Wells (21:48): Yeah, sometimes we do. "Okay, this is too much for me, Lord. In my finite mind, I need you to help me with this because I don't know how to let go." And that's okay, too. I promise you that He is a just God and He will take care of it. I promise you He will.
Kristen Wambach (22:14): I will agree with your statement there. One of my favorite personalities of Father God is Him as a righteous judge. Because I love taking my request to the throne of grace, to the courts of Heaven, and I love to know that I am going to get a judgment—and you just feel like you want to go, "That's my papa right there!" It's just one of my favorite of His personalities.
Jesikah Wells (22:29): Yes. I think the Hebrew is Jehovah Shafat—the Righteous Judge.
Kristen Wambach (22:36): Really?
Jesikah Wells (23:08): Yes. When I tell you nothing catches Him by surprise. But a lot of times—because I heard someone say that God is a "girl dad". He loves His daughters, okay? I mean, He loves His sons too, but we're just talking about daughters right now. So He is going to defend you, okay? He is going to be your vindicator, your protector. That's the type of Father you have. But you take it away from Him when you want to take it in your own hands: "Oh, I'm going to go on the internet and say this about this person," or "I'm going to start my own smear campaign". You take that away from Him. And now He has to deal with you. He's still going to do what He's going to do, but now He has to judge you for your actions. Just give it to Him; let Him be the good Father that He is.
Kristen Wambach (24:22): And Jessica, how have you built that conversation, that communication between you and Father God, so that you feel that conversation going back? How have you built that and developed that in your life?
Jesikah Wells (24:45): Honestly, it came from me feeling like I did not have anybody else. I was at a point in my life where I felt like no one understood me, no one was listening to me. And yeah, He was there. He revealed Himself to me during that time. And I talk about it on my show, how He visited me. And it's like ever since then, it has been, "That is my Father and I'm going to tell Him everything about me." I'm taking everything to Him because I know He loves me. So in building that relationship with Him, it has just been spending more time with Him, honestly. It first started out with reading my Word. So I set out to read the Word chronologically, because I wanted to read it like a story. And so I started reading the Word, and it felt like I had gotten stuck in the Old Testament. I'm like, "Why is it taking me so long in the Old Testament? I'm ready to get to the New Testament when Jesus is on the scene and the miracles are happening". And He's like, "You have to learn." So I was in the Old, just reading the Word. And as I would read the Word, He would speak and I would write in my journal what He says. And that's how I built it. One, I would know His voice from any other voice; two, I would know His character; and three, to trust Him. So yeah, spending more time with Him.
Kristen Wambach (26:40): Now, I know this about Jessica and I, we're both journaling, writing down, so we totally tooted the horn on that. But if I were to backtrack what you said is trust came because you listened and you wrote it down.
Jesikah Wells (27:03): Yes. I can go back to some journals now and see where He did what He said He was going to do four years ago, you know? And it's like, who wouldn't trust? Who wouldn't serve a God like that? He said it; He did it. And it's something about the writing and keeping a record. Especially as you're building that relationship with Him, He wants you to be able to come back. He even says to remind Him of His words. So if He said it, it's okay to come back in prayer and say, "Father, right here on this day, you told me that you were going to heal me from this. Your word says that your word will not return unto you void". He loves when we do that. He's like, "She was listening! She was paying attention. Okay, she's putting me in remembrance of my word. Let me act. Let me do what I said I was going to do".
Kristen Wambach (28:09): I'd say come on, girl!
Jesikah Wells (28:15): Yeah!
Kristen Wambach (28:15): Okay, and another—we're into the journaling and writing it down. Listeners, please don't roll your eyes at us. I learned to hear God's voice exactly in that manner of writing it down—and it's basically honoring when you honor what somebody says. I write down my husband's dreams, his visions; I can keep track of what God is doing. We have so much in common, and I know that there's another "in common" that we need to talk about: our huge to-do lists. Help us, Jesus, help us. How do you deal with your to-do lists and what they're constantly saying to you?
Jesikah Wells (29:29): The to-do list. Listen, it can get—there are moments when the to-do list is mundane. It's like you're doing the same thing, especially when you're a parent. "Okay, gotta get up, kids ready, work, cook, da-da-da-da-da." And then there's times when it's just like, "I gotta get this done, and this, and this, and this." And yeah, I have learned, one, to give myself grace. And like I said in the beginning, allow God into those spaces. A lot of times with hosting a show, working a job, having kids—it can be a lot. But there are times when I'm like, "Okay, Holy Spirit, help me because I can't do everything. There aren't so many hours in a day". And something will creatively come to mind that I didn't even think of that will eliminate some of the things off of my to-do list. Or things will happen to where something that I thought I had to get done—I no longer have to do it. So that's off the list and I can do something else. For me, that's how it works. I mean, I think the biggest thing is giving myself grace.
Jesikah Wells (31:06): I'm the type of woman, I love to cook and I love for my family to eat what I cook. But there are times when I'm like, "Okay, what are we going to eat for dinner?" I'm thinking about it, trying to make healthy decisions. And Holy Spirit is like, "You know what? Why don't you do this? Why don't you go grab one of those $7.99 rotisserie chickens"? Okay, that way you only have to make sides—or you can even get the sides now. Do that so you can go home and all you have to do is make it look nice and everybody can eat. And guess what? You don't have to stand over a stove for 45 minutes for prep and then an hour to cook. So just things like that—giving myself grace and "It's okay, Jessica. It's okay if I don't get to this today. It's okay".
Kristen Wambach (32:06): It is okay. And I've had to learn it; it is an ongoing lesson. It's about doing less to give yourself grace and prioritize—and remember to write yourself in on your own list.
Jesikah Wells (32:31): Yes, yes. I think I spoke with you about healing my central nervous system after the trials and the testing. So with that does come having time for myself where I just sit and I calm. I sip my tea—I'm a tea drinker—and just take care of Jessica. Take a nice hot bath and just rest. Just rest. Don't have to think about this person, that person, this thing. Just have time for yourself. Do what you love to do for yourself. If it's reading a book, fine; if it's listening to music, fine. Just be—to just be, you know?
Kristen Wambach (33:29): So we go from the journaling and writing it down to the to-do lists—just topping off like here's the whipped cream. We described ourselves where burnout or tiredness or that sense of being uncomfortable, of being unsettled, like it's not done. How do you help yourself and how do you help women discern the difference between regular work stress and feeling divinely unsettled? You know, it's just where you don't feel connected with God.
Jesikah Wells (34:27): Yeah. So when it's work stress or stress from the things around us, like I just said, the central nervous system will be out of whack—weight gain, hair loss, a whole lot of things. Physically, you'll notice subtle signs—even just being overly tired, brain fog. That's when it's those things—work, the elements of the world. When it is not being settled for Christ, more than likely it's something that He wants you to do, but it's not going to cause you to have these effects on your body. When it's Christ, you will feel unsettled, but there's a peace that you have on the inside, okay? It may be unnerving to do what He's asked you to do, but it's that peace that blankets it.
Jesikah Wells (35:53): So I can attest to when I moved away from North Carolina, I moved to Maryland. It was just me and my boys—just us, no help, just us. Let me stress that: just us. This was almost three years ago now. So that was so nerve-wracking and unnerving. I'm like, "Lord, what is this?" But the entire time as I loaded up and I hitched a U-Haul to my truck—mind you, I'm a girly girl, I've never done anything like this in my life—but I hitched that U-Haul. And as I was driving, I just felt the peace of God. Like I knew that this is what I'm supposed to be doing. It was unnerving, stressful, but I had that peace that surpasses all understanding. I think that's the difference. When it's other things, there's no peace; it's just stress. And your body will tell you—you have to listen to your body. I've been blessed to find a Christian herbalist—if you know, you know—and she even has little scriptures on her stuff! But things like that help to realign that central nervous system where you're not overeating. Like I said, listen to your body. When it's from the Lord, you don't have those side effects. You may be nervous, you may have a giddy-up moment like, "Lord, show me again because I don't know if I want to do this," but it will be a peace that comes with it.
Kristen Wambach (37:45): Peace it comes with it, and also the feeling of the anointing. Because we are both mouthpieces, we both have podcasts, we're world changers—meaning that what we bring to the table is supposed to corporately change the world in which we live. And it takes grace and commitment to open your mouth, to stick that microphone down there, when on the side you don't feel like it.
Jesikah Wells (38:23): Yeah. My goodness. If I had a dollar for each time I did not feel like turning on record, didn't feel like saying what He wanted me to say, just because of the natural stresses of life. But immediately when I begin to speak, I feel the presence of the Holy Spirit. And that lets me know that I'm doing what He called me to do. And it's almost like an energy rush. I'm just like, "My gosh, I'm excited. I'm happy." Getting here looked like, "What am I gonna wear? Am I gonna do my makeup? What does my hair look like?" just slouching around. But when the Holy Spirit comes, it's like, "My gosh, I could do about two or three more shows right after this, or I can go online and speak this word".
Kristen Wambach (39:30): Yeah, yeah. One of the things that God brought to your attention is "empty-handed prayer," and you shared a powerful moment where God said, "You don't want an answer; you didn't bring your journal or pen." We're still talking about writing it down—would you tell us more about that story?
Jesikah Wells (39:53): Yes. So we talked about taking it to Him, right? And with that, I had to ask—when the Lord started revealing His purpose for my life, I had to ask Him those hard questions: "Okay, Lord, am I going to be a wife again? Am I going to have more children? Do you want this for my life?" And it's kind of like you just start asking those questions. And the Lord got me—let me tell you, we like to think about relationship with Christ like it's just the rainbow. He gets me together, okay? He's that type of Father, too. He's not going to have me out here just doing whatever I want to do because He's my Father. No. He literally said, "Listen, you don't want to answer from me. You didn't even bring your journal. You just want somebody to listen to you, basically, because you didn't bring anything to write. So what do you want me to say?" I got up and I got my journal. And then He just started flowing—everything. So I'm writing as He speaks, and I'm like, "My gosh". That was in that relationship building phase. He's like, "You can't just come to me and not expect for me to answer." And sometimes in that, it's sitting. Sometimes He doesn't answer immediately. Sometimes it's you let Him know and just sit for a minute—just sit and wait. Yeah, He got me together on that, Kristen, for sure. "You just gonna come to me with all these problems? Do you want a solution or not?" Yeah, write it down.
Kristen Wambach (41:43): Because there will be a strategy when you're writing it down, then you have room for writing down strategies. "What does it feel like? What was the intent? What was the emotion going on when I heard Him say?" Because sometimes emotion and the feeling gives the frequency of God, and that's how you remember it—how you feel.
Jesikah Wells (42:06): Yeah, it all comes into account. I was at a ministry opportunity and I was just about to pray with this young lady and she said she had a dream about her brother, and in the dream, her brother had died. So what I asked her was, "Okay, that doesn't necessarily mean that he's gonna physically die. How did you feel when he died?" She said, "I didn't feel sad." I said, "So more than likely, if you did not feel sad, that's a spiritual death. The Lord is calling him to die to his flesh. It's a good thing". And she was just so relieved. And I told her the same thing: "Get you a journal. Write down your dreams. Write how you felt, the colors—everything that you see, write it down".
Kristen Wambach (43:25): And a lot of times what I'll do is I will find images and pictures that are the same of what He had in the dream and I'll put it in—I'm such a visual person, it helps to remember it. I will draw it out: "This is the way it felt and this is where the Lord took me." So yes, it is so good and so important.
Jesikah Wells (43:55): Yeah, it is. It is everything. He's intentional; He really is. He doesn't leave anything out. If He puts it there, He's going to use it. Sometimes, just like the scripture says, "It's the glory of God to conceal a thing, and the honor of kings to search it out". Sometimes we have to search it out. There are times where I had to wait, then times I had to fast and pray, then times where He gives it to me and I have to search it out: "Okay, Lord, what are you saying in this?" And I have to go to His word and see what He is really saying. And Holy Spirit will guide you right to where you need to be. Sometimes He gives us these things to search—write it down so that you can refer back to it, because it may be something later on in that same day and you're like, "Wait a minute, I saw this in my dream!"
Kristen Wambach (45:19): I agree. And I love that scripture that you shared with us, and I get real excited with it because if it's something that sets me into seeking to find, I know He's speaking to a king, because the kings that search out a matter—so that tells you how God is speaking to you. So good.
Jesikah Wells (45:51): Yes. Royalty. Royalty. My goodness.
Kristen Wambach (46:06): Jessica, before we go there, would you tell our listeners where they can find you, where they can hear your podcast and all about all those goodies?
Jesikah Wells (46:33): Yes. My podcast is the Broken to Beautiful podcast. It is on YouTube and also on every podcast streaming platform. I am currently about to launch my new season coming this spring, so you may want to go ahead and catch up. And yeah, I'm on Instagram as well as the Broken to Beautiful podcast. That's how you can get in touch with me—my link tree, my email, all of those things are there. Join me there.
Kristen Wambach (47:12): Fantastic. Would you pray for us? I'm going to add a few things into that prayer—there are single moms, young moms that feel like, "I know I'm supposed to make a difference in the world. Where do I begin? How do I start?" And also, there's a season when we're walking through a hard season—it could be a medical issue, it could literally be working through a project that has taken so much of your time that you just need that prayer to get you through. So those are two things.
Jesikah Wells (48:15): Yeah. So Father God, we thank you for this moment in time that you have brought Kristen and I together. I thank you for her listeners, her audience, those that are under the sound of her voice. Lord God, I ask that you will touch each and every last one of them, that you will touch them in the places that they are afraid to share with anyone else, God, and that you will heal them with your love. In the name of Jesus, Father, I ask that you give them the strength to endure whatever the trial is, because your strength is made perfect in our weakness. So Father, I ask that you give them your strength. I ask, God, that you give them what they stand in need of. Show them who you are. You are a good Father, even in uncertain times, even in the warfare. You want the best, Lord God, for your daughters. Lord God, I pray for those who don't know how or where to begin again, and I pray that they find you in that. I pray for their seek—that they will begin to seek you like never before in their words and in their prayers looking for you. I thank you, Lord God. And I pray for their clarity as well—that they be not deceived, that they will hear you in the fullness of who you are and be able to distinguish your will for their lives. I thank you because you are a good God. I praise your righteous and holy name. In Jesus' name, amen.
Kristen Wambach (50:35): Amen. Yay. Thank you so much. May I share with you what I was seeing in the Spirit when you were praying? And listeners, when I share something like this, it is a corporate thought from God. And while Jessica was praying, I saw like the wind coming behind her voice and blowing papers—papers all across the world. And when I feel those papers, I feel like they're documents—they're words that people are looking for. So when Jessica prayed, these words were being released for you here and in documents. Maybe you're trying to buy a home or buy a business or something—you need that legal transaction, that documentation to transfer that. Maybe it's a document for a diagnosis that is being changed—that a prescription from Heaven is literally blown to you today. Just allow your imagination to imagine the wind of Holy Spirit blowing to you the answer that you desire.
Jesikah Wells (52:09): Yes. My gosh, that is so good. You know, that brought back something. I was in prayer this morning and just decreeing and declaring what God said over my life. And I saw the angel of the Lord had an envelope with a seal, and the seal was blue. So, like I said, we have to take account of everything, right? He's definitely sending it out—sending out His documents.
Kristen Wambach (52:52): Yes, yes. Jessica, this has been such a great night. And I want to share these little goodies: Jessica is very talented with graphics. If you go and look at her design, there is so much creativity there and she presents it so wonderful.
Jesikah Wells (53:28): Thank you, thank you so much. Look, it's all God—my creative side.
Kristen Wambach (53:32): Well, then I like the God in you; I like all of it! Yay, thank you so much for being with us today. Thank you for blessing us, and I thank you that the wind that was blowing through you first had to go through you to provide for the things that you've been asking.
Jesikah Wells (53:55): Yeah, God is so good. Thank you for having me, Kristen. It was so fun; it was such a joy. You know I love you anyway—you are my sister!
Kristen Wambach (54:06): There we are. Okay. Thank you so much.

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The Obsession in the Details

One of the most striking moments of our conversation was realizing that God isn't just a "big picture" God; He is obsessed with the details. Jesikah shared how a simple blazer, forgotten in the back of a closet, became a divine appointment starter. In the Kingdom, there is no such thing as a mundane detail. Whether it’s the shoes you wear to stand in your calling or the way you conduct a "Monday-morning" meeting, Jesus is in the jots and the tittles of your restoration.

Fire Doesn't Destroy; It Redefines

When things burn to ash, we assume the DNA is gone. But in the hands of the Father, fire is a refining tool. Jesikah noted that many women spend their energy missing who they were before the tragedy. Holy Spirit corrected that logic: You aren't missing who you were; you are finally discovering who you are in Him. The fire didn't take your identity; it burned away the "yes-girl" mannerisms and the doormat mentalities that were never part of your original design.

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it is the matter of God to conceal a thing... and the heart of kings to search it out." —Jesikah Wells Proverbs 25:2

The Strategy of the Journal

If you want an answer from Heaven, you have to show up like you expect one. Jesikah shared a convicting word from the Lord: "You don’t want an answer... you didn't even bring your journal or pen". To honor God’s voice is to record it. Restoration requires a record—not just of where you’ve been, but of the strategies He is whispering for your future.

If you are standing in a field of ashes today, know this: The wind of the Holy Spirit is blowing. He is releasing documents, prescriptions, and business opportunities over your life right now. You are never alone, you are never unseen, and you are far from finished.

Coaching Church Activation

Your 'Monday-morning' activation is this: Don't go to Him empty-handed this week. Take your journal, take your pen, and expect an answer. Even if you have to hide behind a closed bathroom door for five minutes to find your quiet, know that the wind of the Holy Spirit is blowing across the documents of your life—changing diagnoses, opening business doors, and sealing your future in His peace.

Final Summary

In this powerful conclusion to our journey from brokenness to beauty, Jesikah Wells reminds us that the "fires" of life are not meant for our destruction, but for our refinement. We learned that fire doesn't destroy your spiritual DNA; it redefines it, moving you from a season of "missing who you were" to the radical discovery of who you are in the heart of the Father. Whether it is through the "Closet Strategy" of finding God in the mundane details or the conviction to end "empty-handed prayer" by picking up a pen, this episode provides a practical blueprint for anyone standing in a field of ashes.
As we close, let your imagination connect with the prophetic vision of the wind of the Holy Spirit blowing across your life—releasing business doors, legal answers, and restoration documents that have been signed and sealed in Heaven. Remember, you are never alone, never unseen, and your story is far from finished. It is time to walk boldly into the new realm God has prepared for you.

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The Payoff: By the end of your first week engaging with our community, you will strip away the religious noise and step into a practical path of profound peace. You will gain the exact Monday-morning logic required to confidently hear God's voice and apply the Law of the Spirit of Life directly to your daily routine.
As a spiritual investigative journalist, mystical futurist, and ordained pastor with over 30 years of ministry and leadership experience, my mandate is simple: I do not argue doctrine. Instead, I provide a safe path for your heart, testifying to redemption and equipping you to bring Heaven to earth.

Through the Eradication Filter of religious obligation, we focus on empowering your God-inspired DNA calling, fully stepping into your Glorified Body and Dominion Mandate.
We are incredibly honored that INTERVIEWING JESUS. is globally ranked in the Top 10% of podcasts by Listen Notes. This global authority and reach prove that hearts around the world are hungry for authentic, soul-stirring conversations that simplify the supernatural.
Whether we are exploring practical kingdom activations or unlocking divine wisdom, every episode is a raw, transformational experience designed to help you live Spiritually BRAVE. Join our worldwide community as we rewrite our lives together with the heart of Jesus.

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THE BEYOND PERSPECTIVE: HOW GOOD IS GOD? ❖ 271

4/1/2026

Compel them to come. For in the invitation lies the transformative power of love." — Kristen Wambach

THE BEYOND PERSPECTIVE: HOW GOOD IS GOD! WITH KRISTEN WAMBACH INTERVIEWING JESUS PODCAST

The Launch of "HOW GOOD IS GOD?": A deep dive into the labor of love, the sweat, and the "gooder" God who met Kristen in the publishing process.

EPISODE TAKEAWAYS

The 80/20 Rule of Creation: Recognizing that while the manuscript is vital, the "sweat equity" with the Lord is what brings a vision to the finish line.
The "Gooder" Standard: Understanding that God’s character exceeds our current intellectual or emotional capacity to grasp it.

A New Definition of Victory: Shifting the focus from earthly accolades to the faithful stewardship of heavenly origins.
The Power of Story: How a plate of lamb tacos and a vintage marquee can become the "final whistle" of a victorious season.

The Head Coach’s Perspective: Transitioning from the wisdom of sports legends to the ultimate definition of winning according to Jesus.

Summary

In this momentous launch day episode, Kristen Wambach pulls back the curtain on the emotional and spiritual journey of releasing her latest book,
HOW GOOD IS GOD? recorded off-the-cuff on Passover 2026. She shares the "spiritual investigative journalist" perspective that fueled 440 pages of encounters, explaining how Jesus uses our darkest moments to birth us into resurrection life. Using the metaphor of a coached player, Kristen issues a high-velocity offensive play against religious static, inviting readers to expand their bandwidth and experience a God who is "gooder" than they ever imagined.

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There are moments in a spiritual investigative journalist’s life where the notes are set aside, the structured outlines are folded away, and the only thing left is the raw, vibrating frequency of a testimony. Today, April 1, 2026, is that day. It is Passover—a day of deliverance—and it is the official launch of my second book: HOW GOOD IS GOD?
I am holding the hardback in my hands as I write this. It has a certain weight to it—not just the physical heft of 440 pages, but the weight of 30 years of documentation. It represents over 100,000 words dedicated to one pursuit: expanding our bandwidth for the goodness of God.

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EPISODE TIMESTAMPS

00:00 – Welcome to the Interviewing Jesus Podcast: Passover 2026 Launch
01:38 – The Weight of the Hardback: Why I Prefer the Physical Page
02:33 – Behind the Scenes: The Realities of 440 Pages and Royalties
03:56 – A Word of Encouragement for Future Authors
05:43 – Expanding Your Bandwidth: Exploring the "Gooder" Nature of God
06:30 – The Coached Player: Insights from Football Legends
08:30 – Handing the Microphone to Jesus: What is True Victory?
10:05 – Jesus as our Human Example: Coached by the Father
11:20 – A Field Guide Against Religious Static: The Book’s Mission
12:34 – 30 Years of Investigation: What’s Inside the Field Guide
14:16 – Compel Them to Come: My One-Sentence Mission
17:21 – Stories of the Lower Realms: The Mirror Bible and Persuasion
20:53 – Sunday Lamb Tacos and the Vintage Marquee: A Sign of Flight
28:51 – Prevailing Against the Gates: Matthew 16:18 and Our Victory
31:34 – Final Declaration and Call to Action

EPISODE TRANSCRIPTKristen Wambach (00:02):
Hello and welcome. This is Kristen from the Interviewing Jesus Podcast. Where to start? Today, this particular episode is being released on April 1st, which is Passover in 2026. It is the day that we launch and release my second book, HOW GOOD IS GOD? Coaching church beyond the gates of hell to truly experience Heaven.
Now, let me just put a pre-warning in this episode. I’m really excited to share it with you. I don’t really have notes. I’m not quite sure where we’re going to end up, and yes, I will be pitching because I really want to share the book with you. It’s a momentous day for me with lots of emotion, sweat, and tears, and lots of time in the Lord’s presence. I just wanted to share it with you and I pray it brings value to your life.
Kristen Wambach (01:38):
As I say, this is off the cuff. I’m holding a hardback. It’s my favorite. I lead with the fact that it’s my favorite because I like to write in my books. I like to scribble in them. I prefer to write what I hear the Lord saying to me in the midst of reading. Now, for those who are a little more skeptical because the hardback is the most expensive—it’s $42.99—it is actually the book I make the least amount of royalties on. Go figure, huh? It costs me an arm and a leg just for the book to be made. If you’ve never published a book, you’re just going to have to take my word for it.
Kristen Wambach (02:33):
Where do we begin? Maybe I should have you pray for me. It is such a large project—440 pages. Oh my goodness. I wrestled with thoughts to trim it down to make it more bite-size, but it never felt like what the Lord wanted. He wanted a playbook. He wanted the meat and potatoes of a book to share with you.
Kristen Wambach (04:14):
For those of you who have ever dreamed about writing a book: 20% is the manuscript; 80% is the sweat and work to get it to the publishing point. Don’t let that frighten you away. It is a labor of love and consistency. Talk to the Lord about your project. Remember that your words and where you have traveled bring value to somebody who needs to hear the hope that you are and how God answered for you.
How good is God? Can we really answer that today? I guarantee that He is "gooder" than our current bandwidth. He is gooder than this book sitting here on my desk. This book is a documentation of the heart to expand our current bandwidth on His goodness.
Kristen Wambach (05:43):
I’m reading from the "Coached Player" section. I used the metaphor of American football to put in a structure where we could consume spiritual ideas and text. For me, winning isn't something that happens suddenly on the field when the whistle blows and the crowd roars. Winning is something that builds physically and mentally every day that you train and every night that you dream. That is from Emmitt Smith, Football Hall of Fame running back.
A winner is someone who recognizes his God-given talents, works his tail off to develop them into skills, and uses these skills to accomplish his goals. Joe Torre, the legendary baseball manager, said: "Competing at the highest level is not about winning. It's about preparation, courage, understanding, and nurturing your people and heart."
Kristen Wambach (07:38):
But what if we handed the microphone to the Head Coach? What if we handed it to Jesus and asked Him: "What does it mean to win? What does it mean to succeed in God?" We want our dreams and our prophetic words to come to pass.
What would Jesus say? As for me, winning is found not in the fleeting accolades of this world, but in the faithful stewardship of the gifts entrusted to you, in the loving service rendered to your neighbor, and in the enduring pursuit of the kingdom that is within you. True victory belongs to the heart made pure, the spirit made humble, and the life poured out for a purpose beyond its own. Run the race with perseverance, fixing your eyes not on earthly crowns, but on the eternal joy set before you.
Kristen Wambach (10:05):
How good is God? He designed the race so that the victory is secure—not by your striving, but by your faithful stewardship of what He has already deposited in your heavenly origin. In every act of love, every moment of sacrifice, and every heartbeat devoted to the will of God, you will find the true victory that never fades.
I am inspired because Jesus was just as human as you and I are. Father God coached Him. He showed Him how things worked and how His love was a conduit for others. God’s goodness is bigger than your current bandwidth.
Kristen Wambach (12:34):
With the spirit of a coach and the wisdom of a pastor, I’ve accomplished something wonderful. This book is a high-velocity offensive play against the religious static that has kept you sidelined. It is time to stop playing defense with your faith and start running from a position of absolute finished-work victory. This is your ultimate field guide for reclaiming a life that has been capped by the heavy seasons of survival.
What’s in it? 30 years of spiritual investigation. Documented encounters with the Father’s heart. A CEO’s perspective on Heaven’s blueprint. Practical keys to interviewing Jesus—how to talk to God, hear God, and listen to His heart. You will navigate life’s hits with heavenly clarity and activate the redemptive design wired into your DNA.
Kristen Wambach (14:33):
A few years back, a podcaster asked every guest this question: "If you only had one sentence that could culminate your relationship, goals, and dreams—what gets you to show up at the table every morning—what would you say?"
This was my response from Luke 14:23: "Compel them to come." For in the invitation lies the transformative power of love that draws us closer to the heart of God. Compel them to come, to hear, to read, to listen, and to witness the heart of God.
Kristen Wambach (17:21):
I’d like to share two stories. In the book, I share my experiences in the lower realms of the earth. We talk about spiritual things on this podcast all the time, so it won’t surprise you that God has more for us in different realms. In John 6:35-36 from the Mirror Bible, Jesus said, "I am the bread of life. He that comes face to face with me shall never hunger."
The commentary says: "You might be happy with healings and signs, but you still fail to understand who I am. I’m not here to impress you with me. I’m here to persuade you about you. Your sonship is what I am all about." I told God I needed persuading. So He led me on this journey to persuade you about who you are in Him and how much He loves you.
Kristen Wambach (20:53):
Have you asked God lately, "How good are You in this circumstance?" My husband Don is a true foodie. When the pennies add up, our favorite spot is Luca Tavern here in Corvallis. Lately, life has been all about the book—440 pages, cover specs, technical marathons on Amazon and IngramSpark. One morning I woke up at 2:00 AM because Holy Spirit pushed me. It took me 12 hours to solve a minute formatting problem regarding chapter titles on e-readers. 12 hours!
I knew Don needed a foodie "appreciation shot in the arm." He’s famous for his Sunday lamb tacos, so we brought some to the restaurant crew. Seeing the head chef give a thumbs up made Don’s day. As we backed out of our parking spot afterward, Don pointed: "Kristen, look!"
On a vintage marquee right in front of us, the sign proclaimed a poem titled Flight by Anne Farley: "Don’t you wish you could open a book? Spine splayed, pages fluttering... let it lift you up, up, up." After weeks of technical hurdles, I felt like the victorious final whistle had blown. That is how God talks to us. That is how He encourages us.
Kristen Wambach (28:51):
My last little story: Remember when Jesus asked Peter, "Who do you say that I am?" Peter said, "You are the Christ." Jesus responded that the gates of hell shall not prevail against the church. This is my final declaration to you: It is time for us to prevail against the gates of hell.
About a third of my book is about this. You will know that you know how good God is, and that what we’ve been taught or told was not exactly the truth. Thank you for letting me share. I trust the Holy Spirit that you can feel my delight. I invite you to pick up the book, read it, and come back to comment. We’re in a relationship. Hoot hoot! I am so honored to have your ear. Go get the book. I guarantee your bandwidth about God’s goodness will expand. I bless you. Bye now!

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Beyond the Manuscript: The 80/20 Reality

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For anyone who has ever dreamed of writing, let me offer a "Monday-morning" reality check. The manuscript—the actual writing—is only about 20% of the journey. The remaining 80% is the sweat, the consistency, and the spiritual endurance required to bring a vision to the publishing point. It is a labor of love that requires constant conversation with the Lord.
Why 440 pages? Why not something "bite-sized"? Because the Lord didn’t want a pamphlet, He wanted a playbook. He wanted the meat and potatoes of spiritual text to share with a world that is starving for substance. This book is a practical path, filled with raw stories and simple activations, designed to ensure that your words—where you have traveled and where you have walked—bring value to someone who needs to hear the hope you carry.

Expansion of Bandwidth: Moving from religious exhaustion to navigating life’s hits with heavenly clarity.

The Head Coach’s Definition of Winning

In the book, I use the metaphor of American football to provide a structure for consuming complex spiritual ideas. We often look to legends like Emmitt Smith or Larry Bird to define "winning." They talk about the daily grind, the God-given talents, and the preparation. But what happens when we hand the microphone to the Head Coach?
What does Jesus say about winning?
If we infer from His teachings, winning isn't found in fleeting accolades. True victory belongs to the heart made humble, and the life poured out for a purpose beyond its own. Jesus, being just as human as you and I, was coached by the Father. He was shown how love works as a conduit. Winning, in the kingdom, is the faithful stewardship of the "heavenly origin" already deposited within your DNA. It is time to stop playing defense with your faith and start running from a position of absolute, finished-work victory.

Persuaded by Love: Why Jesus isn't just here to impress us with His power, but to persuade us about our own sonship.

The "Gooder" Standard

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I have coined a word for this season: Gooder.
God is gooder than our current bandwidth. He is gooder than the religious static that has kept so many of us sidelined in seasons of survival. My investigative journey took me into deep places—realms of death and darkness—not to frighten me, but because I needed to be "persuaded."
In the Mirror Bible commentary on John 6, there is a profound insight: Jesus isn't just here to impress us; He is here to persuade us about us. He wants to persuade you of your sonship. He wants to overcome your fear of "hell" and birth you into the newness of resurrection life. This book is the documentation of that persuasion.

The Flight of a Book: A miraculous "sign on a marquee" in Corvallis that confirmed the spiritual weight of this release.

A Sign of Flight

During the final, grueling weeks of technical hurdles—12-hour marathons solving minute formatting issues—the Lord gave me a sign. My husband Don and I were in downtown Corvallis, sharing a simple community offering of Sunday lamb tacos with local friends. As we backed out of a parking spot, we saw a vintage marquee.
It displayed a poem titled Flight by Anne Farley. It spoke of opening a book until the pages turn into wings that lift you "up, up, up."
That is my prayer for you as you engage with this field guide. I want the "static" of religious exhaustion to be erased. I want you to clutch these covers and let the truth of God’s goodness lift you above the heavy seasons of the past.

Compel Them to Come

Years ago, I was asked to sum up my mission in a single sentence. My response was fueled by Luke 14:23: "Compel them to come."
In that invitation lies the transformative power of love. I am compelling you today—not just to buy a book, but to enter into a deeper relationship with the Father's heart. We are in this together. This is a high-velocity offensive play against everything that has capped your potential.
The gates of hell shall not prevail. It is time for us to prevail instead. Your bandwidth is about to expand.

How Good is God? Coaching Church Beyond the Gates of Hell to Truly Experience Heaven is now available. Let’s experience the "Gooder" God together.

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A Divine Playbook for the Spiritual Brave

"I spent 30 years investigating the heart of God. Here is what I found: He is better than you’ve been told." Most spiritual books stay in the clouds—this one lands on the field. Whether you are navigating the "Red Zone" of a crisis or seeking the "End Zone" of your calling, How Good is God? provides a practical path to inhabit the person Jesus already made you to be.

Through raw stories, prayer, and simple activations, Spiritual Investigative Journalist Kristen Wambach takes you beyond religious doctrine and into a direct encounter with the finished work of Christ.

THE "MONDAY-MORNING" PAYOFF

Stop playing defense with your faith. It’s time to suit up for the life you were meant for. This book moves the supernatural out of the ethereal and onto the grass of your daily life.

FROM NDE TO PDE: Move beyond "Near Death Experiences" and into PDE—Past Death Experiences.
ERADICATE DEATH DOCTRINES: Break free from the religious belief systems that have held your heart captive.
REWRITE YOUR HISTORY: Encounter the humanity of Jesus in the lower realms and the courts of heaven to restore your past.

INSIDE THE "GATES" STRUCTURE The Hell Gate: Testimonies of healing and encounters in the lower realms that prove no one is out of reach.
The Pew Gate: Deconstructing the religious "victim mentality" to find your true identity.
The Pulpit Gate: Moving from passive hearing to "Spiritual Bravery."
The Heaven Gate: Accessing supernatural wisdom for your daily, practical life.

A 440-PAGE IMMERSIVE EXPERIENCE This isn't a quick-read devotional. It is a 440-page "Sure House" of spiritual investigation.

18 Deep-Dive Chapters: Braiding high-level mysticism with grounded data.
Massive Activations: Every chapter concludes with a "Game Plan" and "Play Sheet" to ensure the transformation is practical and permanent.
The "Heavy Workbook" Standard: Designed as a textbook for your spiritual identity, this volume is built for the student, the seeker, and the "Spiritual Brave."
HOW GOOD IS GOD! The Redemptive Activation Journal—The Strategic Playbook for Hearing God’s Voice and Executing Your Heavenly Design. Just around the corner.
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Voices of Credibility (Reviews)

"A masterfully synthesized system of living. This book braids high-level mysticism with grounded practicality, proving God’s goodness through both data and scars." — Editorial Review, The Scribe’s Desk

"Kristen Wambach understands the unseen realm and how to live successfully in Christ. This book is a divine playbook that empowers you to cross the personal goal line God has placed within you." — Dr. George Watkins, Prophet & Pastor

About the Author

Kristen Wambach is a spiritual investigative journalist and transformation coach with over 30 years of ministry experience. As the host of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, she bridges the gap between heaven and earth, providing a "safe path" for readers to explore the mystical with humility and proof.

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P.S. I’ll be honest with you—I’m a "Hardback" kind of gal. There is something about diving deep and writing all over the pages, capturing the thoughts and conversations I hear from the Lord in real-time. While the ePub is convenient, it limits your ability to use this as a truly responsive Playbook.

Between you and me, the royalties on a printed book are much smaller, but the impact is so much greater. I want you to have the version that lets you "suit up" and engage. If you want to mark it up, wear it out, and make it yours—go for the Hardback.💋

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The Concept: Every believer has a "one-sentence" mission that gets them to the table every morning.

The Tape: Kristen’s sentence is "Compel them to come." What is yours?
The Anchor: "In the invitation lies the transformative power of love."
The Activation: If you had to sum up your relationship with Jesus and your purpose on earth in exactly one sentence, what would it be? Write it down, refine it, and post it where you can see it every Monday morning.

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I am Kristen Wambach, an ordained pastor, experienced spiritual coach, and the host of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast. As a spiritual investigative journalist, I have dedicated over 30 years to documenting the profound goodness of God and bridging the gap between heaven and earth.

My mission is to provide a practical path for those ready to move beyond religious static and into a "Monday-morning" reality of spiritual victory. Whether through my books, like HOW GOOD IS GOD?, or our soul-stirring podcast conversations, I am committed to helping you navigate life with heavenly clarity and activate the redemptive design wired into your DNA. I believe in a "gooder" God who is ready to expand your bandwidth and persuade you of your true sonship.

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SURRENDER is the new SUPERPOWER with Sylvia Worsham ❖ 270

3/25/2026

The concept of surrender is a bigger concept that not only includes trust but includes acceptance of God’s will, whatever that may be." —Sylvia Worsham

SURRENDER IS THE NEW SUPERPOWER WITH SYLVIA WORSHAM INTERVIEWING JESUS PODCAST

THE ANATOMY OF A SACRED JUNCTURE. FROM CORPORATE GIANT TO WARRIOR OF LIGHT. HOW TO HEAR GOD IN A CRISIS.
If you are a high-achiever who feels like a "ticking time bomb" of stress or perfectionism, this episode is your roadmap. Host Kristen Wambach sits down with 3x bestselling author Sylvia Worsham to explore her raw journey from being Pfizer’s #1 saleswoman to a "warrior of light" after a miraculous Good Friday encounter. This conversation moves beyond the typical success narrative to provide a safe path for professional women navigating deep spiritual change.

EPISODE TAKEAWAYS

Surrender is an Action: It is the radical acceptance of God’s will, regardless of the outcome.
Ego vs. Soul: Doubt lives in the ego and the past; God lives in love and the present.
The "Small Things" Matter: Relinquishing control in small daily tasks builds the muscle for trusting God’s sovereignty in big transitions.
Vertical Conversations: Make Jesus your "first appointment" of the day to anchor your peace.
Live Activations: His presence moved into the episode with a beautiful, tangible touch!

Your identity isn't found in your to-do list. It’s found in His presence.

Listeners will receive exclusive insights on the identity shift from achieving for love to living from it. Sylvia provides the practical logic of "Pausing for Presence" to help you pull heavenly perspective into your daily life. You will learn the specific keys to discerning a "God-breathed DNA" calling from a simple "good idea," alongside the "War Room" strategy for using scripture as a defense against the noise of doubt.

SUMMARY

Join host Kristen Wambach and 3x bestselling author Sylvia Worsham as they discuss the journey from corporate perfectionism to spiritual surrender. Sylvia shares her miraculous story of surviving a near-fatal medical crisis and how it redefined her identity as a "warrior of light."

From Success to Surrender

In the high-stakes world of corporate pharmaceuticals, Sylvia Worsham was at the top of her game. As the number one saleswoman for Pfizer, her life was defined by metrics, achievement, and the relentless pursuit of perfection. But on a providential Good Friday, the "high achiever" met a juncture that no amount of professional expertise could navigate.
Sylvia walked into St. Luke’s Episcopal Hospital with what she thought was a minor ailment, only to find herself a "ticking time bomb" with pulmonary embolisms and acute liver failure. It was here, at the edge of life and death, that the "sales executive" died and the "warrior of light" was born.

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Kristen Wambach (00:03.448)
Hello and welcome to Interviewing Jesus podcast. Sylvia Horsham. I'm going to, cause I didn't ask your name, so I can cancel that. How do I say your name?
Sylvia Worsham, Author (00:15.103)
Worship no worship worship
Kristen Wambach (00:16.856)
Horsham Worship I'm glad I did that so okay, we can start this again For or like two warships I'm putting it phonically here. Yeah, that's it. Okay. Here we go
Sylvia Worsham, Author (00:26.337)
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Kristen Wambach (00:38.498)
Hello and welcome to Interviewing Jesus podcast. I'm Kristen Wambach, your host and I have a special treat for you today. Our guest Sylvia Worsham is a three times bestselling authoress, a spiritual transformation coach who transitioned from a high stakes corporate sales career into her divine calling as a warrior of light.
After surviving a life altering medical complication, she retired from the corporate world to help professional women navigate deep spiritual change. She's based in Austin, Texas. Sylvia is the host of Released Out, Reveal Purpose podcast and the author of In Faith, I Thrive and Journey to Me. We're going to have some great questions today.
She specializes in turning personal junctures into roadmaps of growth, helping others align their identity with their soul's purpose. Welcome Sylvia.
Sylvia Worsham, Author (01:46.982)
Thank you, Kristen. Such a pleasure to be here with you.
Kristen Wambach (01:51.346)
I am so excited to listen here and have some really great questions for you. Can we just jump right in about those transitions and change that you are an expert and you've mastered this because Holy Spirit has just led the way in your heart. Many people see crisis as a breaking, but you see it as an opening. When you were at your lowest, what was the specific aha moment or Rhema word, the insight that Jesus gave you that rewrote your total identity from a sales executive to a warrior of light.
Sylvia Worsham, Author (02:36.321)
It's a very good question. The situation was six doctors in a hospital room. I had walked in unassisted to St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital. I was in my late 30s. I was starting to date who would become my second husband. And I was on a trip with my little boy. He was about seven years old at the time. And we had been headed to spend it in Louisiana. I'm from South Texas originally and I had taken a flight the night before. Unbeknownst to me, I already had pulmonary embolisms, which in itself was miraculous. I did not die in the middle of the flight. I landed, but I could not breathe. I was very pale. I had a lot of pain in my chest. Before I even boarded the flight, my mother, whose intuition had kicked in, had begged me to call one of my siblings who are both physicians to get it checked out. And so I called my brother and he had told me that based on my age and my physical activity, which was very high in those years, was exercising seven days a week. I was in top shape of my life. He based all of that and said, it sounds like pleurisy is plaguing you. Pleurisy is the inflammation of the lining of the lung. The problem with that diagnosis is that it mimics to a T pulmonary embolisms. And so if you don't know that you have it and you take a flight, you likely will die in the middle of the flight. I did not. So it was miraculous. I landed the next morning in the middle of the night. We spent the night in Houston. The original plan was to go from Houston to Louisiana overnight, but my boyfriend probably felt a prompting from the Holy Spirit that said, let's stay here in Houston. And so we spent the night. I was alone in my room with my boy and he was in a separate room. And at three in the morning, I got jolted out of bed. And the very first prompting that came very quickly was lean forward and you'll be able to breathe. And so I leaned forward. I'm very obedient to Christ and my relationship with him at that point, I'd been through several major setbacks. One of them had been divorce. And it was when I had started to turn inward and really started a real relationship with Christ himself after having had turned away from him for about 10 years during my first marriage. So he had already started to reach out to me and I felt a soul, like a pull for my soul to just get to know him again. And luckily for me, I was very obedient that night because...
Kristen Wambach (04:47.95)
Mm-hmm.
Sylvia Worsham, Author (04:57.097)
The doctors later explained to me that in that moment I was jolted awake. The fact that I leaned forward saved my life because two blood clots were passing through my heart to get to my left lung. And they did not stop my heart and they were rather large. So it was baffling to doctors when they saw me in the hospital and they obviously admitted me and they told me this is Good Friday now. They said the likelihood is you'll stay here till Tuesday. Now realize I'm in a different city. Have a little boy. My boyfriend had only met him once before and my boy was out there. So quick arrangements. My mother flew up. My sister-in-law flew up, picked up my son, turned around and went back to South Texas. And my mom stayed with me. And when they originally took a scan of my lungs, aside from having the two large ones in my left lung, it was... I had them everywhere. So I was like a ticking time bomb. But the problem was they also noticed that my liver was inflamed and they couldn't inject the dye again. They had to wait till the next day to inject it, or I would have gone into like kidney failure as well. And so the next day when they took a scan of the abdomen, that's when I received six doctors in my hospital. And they began by explaining to me that there was a real problem, that they were facing a time issue with me. And initially I was like, well, I'm already like in serious condition with these pulmonary embolisms, what else could be wrong? And they said, well, you have what's known as Budd-Chiari syndrome. And this is common with birth control pills. You've been taking them and it's a clot that starts clotting up your vena cava. The vena cava for those listening is the main vein that takes blood out of your main organs. And it's basically all the way clotted, except for like a little sliver of blood is able to get out of your liver, but it's putting a lot of pressure on it. And do you see the three dots on your right? And I said, yes. And well, they're the transplant team and they're now on your case, because you're about to go into acute liver failure and require a transplant if we don't get to this thing in time. So this is what we're going to do. We're going to give you this TPA tissue plasminogen activator. And it's this big drug that they pass it through your IV and it's like a clot buster. Like it just destroys it. The problem with that medicine is that it can also cause internal bleeding and cause death. And so they start going through the side effects. And when they get to death and hemorrhagic stroke, my mind goes blank. In retrospect now, after many years of this incident, I know that was God's providence because in describing this situation to me, the doctors were baffled that I had even walked into the hospital unassisted because I should have been doubled over in pain and not able to walk, let alone unassisted. So it was really interesting to them how all this was transpiring. I should have been in major pain and I didn't feel any pain. So I now know that was God's providence.
Kristen Wambach (08:52.354)
Mm-hmm.
Sylvia Worsham, Author (08:54.055)
What really taught me, what that incident taught me was to fully surrender to Christ. Before this, in my journey with Him, I hadn't understood the concept of surrender. I had understood believing but not believing and trusting Him with my life. And the concept of surrender is a bigger concept that not only includes trust but includes acceptance of God's will, whatever that may be. And in the moment that they're telling me of everything they're going to be doing to me, I close my eyes and I visualize falling into God's arms in total surrender. And what that—the value of surrender to me was what it later taught me—was you now know how to do this in big situations. Now I need you to learn to do it in smaller situations, which is the chapter I'm in right now, which is a hard thing for someone like me because I was raised by a high achiever perfectionist and I was once that person. I was a high achiever perfectionist.
Kristen Wambach (10:00.654)
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Sylvia Worsham, Author (10:11.529)
I'd landed in Pfizer. In the time that all this is occurring, I'm the number one saleswoman for Pfizer pharmaceuticals in the country. And so I'm used to having control over my circumstances. And now I'm facing a situation where not even the experts in the field, in the top medical center in Texas and around the world are not confident I'm going to survive the night. So it was a profound turning point, a pivotal moment that just totally shifted that perfectionist high achiever in me and started that path of learning to trust and obey Him and accept His will completely. So I hope that that answered your question.
Kristen Wambach (11:02.55)
It was wonderful. Wonderful. My goodness. I always love the intuitive questions because it helps each one of us learn how He's speaking and how He's moving in our life in that moment where it seemed like peace just overflowed, was walking with you. Peace and mercy were literally walking with you. And you said you saw yourself fall into God's arms. What else did you feel and notice in His presence that you're familiar with today?
Sylvia Worsham, Author (11:45.557)
Well, what happened the next day was even more profound because I was in His presence. So the day of Easter Sunday morning came and went. I was really scared to go to sleep the night before because I didn't know what this thing was going to do to my body. When I woke up, the very first thing I started to do was move my arms and legs because stroke had been one of the main side effects that this thing had, it had neurological side effects. And so I was really scared. The interesting thing was it was resurrection day for the Christians listening and for the Catholics it was Easter Sunday morning. And I, when I walked into the hospital, you know how it is, they ask you what religion you are. And I was in between religions because I had been raised Catholic, but I had kind of was transitioning out of it. But in that moment you just answer what comes naturally to you. I said Catholic and a woman with the Catholic diocese ended up coming to my room that morning and said, do you want to pray with me? And I said, you know what, I need a miracle. I want my second chance at life because I had begged God the night before to give me a second chance. And I told Him, I made a deal with Him. If you give me a second chance, I will devote my life to You. I will do as You asked me to do. I won't question You anymore. And I'll be Your obedient child. And so I didn't know what He had done. My boyfriend was in the room. We formed a circle and we started saying the Lord's Prayer. And halfway through the prayer, a love so immense enveloped the entire room. It was undeniable. There was no question in my heart that I was in God's presence. And what I felt was that Christ Himself was cradling me like a child. He was carrying me because I was so weak and I was so scared.
Kristen Wambach (13:40.259)
Mm-hmm.
Sylvia Worsham, Author (13:51.209)
And it was in that moment that I felt carried by Him. I felt a peace wash over me and knowing that I was okay, that He had given me the second chance. I didn't need confirmation. The doctors however need confirmation because they're men of science and they need that backing and that proof. So as soon as she left the room, my boyfriend turned to me, who is now my husband by the way, and said, you felt them too, didn't you? He had appeared to him. He too had been told immediately that I had been saved, that his prayer had been answered because he had been praying and begging God to not let me die. Because the risk of my death was 80% with what I had, the condition I had. I was really, I was a miracle, a walking miracle. And so they wheel me in and the nurse said, "I had never seen your face be so radiant." My face was full of lights. There was like no question I had been in the presence of the Lord. And I was so terrified of needles, Kristen, that she begged the radiology department to let her from ICU enter radiology with me to keep me calm because the needle they were going to insert in me was rather large to get a camera in to see if this thing had done its job. She said, "You didn't even flinch, Sylvia. You didn't even flinch when they injected you. You were so peaceful." And the vision that God had in my mind was of me being in the water with Him, my boyfriend and my mom. And it just kind of kept me very calm. It was this beautiful sunset and mountain and I was in the ocean with them. It was so, so peaceful.
Kristen Wambach (15:18.126)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (15:37.166)
Mm-hmm.
Sylvia Worsham, Author (15:44.477)
And within 10 minutes, the radiologist comes out and his face is illuminated, like totally radiant. And he goes, "I just can't believe it. There is no evidence of illness anywhere in your body. And there should be. There should be holes in your lungs where those pulmonary emboli were because they were very large and you should have long-term complications and you have nothing." When you go through things like that and I'm getting emotional.
Kristen Wambach (16:22.456)
Good.
Sylvia Worsham, Author (16:28.435)
It's going to shift you. When He gives you what you desired, what you wanted, and it's in alignment to His will, it changes you forever. It's a moment that I try to adequately put into words in In Faith I Thrive, in the second edition of Journey. I don't think I did it justice. To be in His presence is, it's a gift that I will forever cherish. That knowing it was like a little glimpse into what it was like to be in His presence in Heaven is what it felt like.
Kristen Wambach (17:17.986)
I love it. Sylvia, would you do us a kindness and in this what I call pregnant moment, because we all feel the presence of the Lord in and through your story and your testimony. Would you pray for our listeners, those that right now are right in that movement of the juncture, right? It might not be a diagnosis, or you might not be in a medical situation, but they may be at that juncture right when they're in the pivot. Would you pray for them and lay hands on us in the spirit, please?
Sylvia Worsham, Author (18:09.065)
Lord Jesus, I ask You to please guide anyone listening into Your light, into Your presence, Lord. Let them feel Your protection, Your love. Let them feel safe in You, Lord. Let them rely on You completely. Let them trust You with Your will. Let them even rejoice in the moment of their suffering because all this Lord is is to glorify You. It's to be more like You. We ask this powerfully in Your name. Amen.
Kristen Wambach (19:00.038)
Amen. Amen. Thank you. Listeners, if you're just feeling the presence of that, just touching you, just put your hands on your heart and just stay in that place. Just stay in that place and receive and drink it in, taking in a communion of the testimony because we overcome in the testimony of Jesus Christ. And Holy Spirit has offered us a testimony today. And we just agree and say, do it again, Jesus. Yay. Thank you so much, Sylvia. You help women, us determined and in your face women. I'm laughing at myself. You help women align their soul's identity in the quiet moments of your own coaching practice and the wisdom through the fire, so to speak. How do you discern the difference between a person's good idea for their life versus that God-breathed DNA that you take with you because you have moved through that transition and juncture.
Sylvia Worsham, Author (20:33.057)
Well, as I'm coaching women, first of all, I invite the Holy Spirit in the meeting. Because when you invite Him, His presence, He makes His presence known through either myself or even through the one receiving the coaching. As they ask the questions, as they reflect, and then the Holy Spirit allows them to see and hear what they need to hear. So how I discern what I think is their good versus their godly identity or whether it's an ego identity showing up or a soul identity showing up is first off I asked them, "Is this a persistent thing that has come out of nowhere?" Like this thought that you're getting is—I ask a question. It's like, "Is this something that has been gnawing at you for a while?" Is this like an, what we, we always used to say, God lives in the gut, like that gut instinct that we have. When we tune into that, that's likely the Holy Spirit guiding us. When it's ego, it's full of doubt.
Kristen Wambach (21:39.468)
Mm-hmm.
Sylvia Worsham, Author (21:50.879)
Doubt, God does not live in doubt. God lives in love, in presence. Doubt usually is in the past with regret and guilt mixed in with it. And that's the enemy wanting to keep you stuck in the circumstance. So in order to move from that doubt, there's got to be some reflection, some discernment and sometimes in the coaching process, if they can't come up with—like if the answer doesn't come to them—I don't rush it. There's a reason for the not rushing piece. First of all, it's not on my timing, it's on God's timing. And sometimes He's allowing certain things to occur because He knows the recipient's heart very well, my coaching client's heart. And sometimes He has been guiding them, but their own mind has been blocking them. And so the first thing we start doing is we start identifying what belief, working backwards basically. If—like, share with me what thoughts are going through your mind.
Kristen Wambach (23:10.552)
Mm-hmm.
Sylvia Worsham, Author (23:11.743)
Let's reframe that thought and then let's use scripture that backs up that reframe. Right. So for example, I'll give an example. A couple of weeks back. My client was going through a really hard time. She was thinking back to times with her mother, her father, that were not very joyful. And then immediately the reframe was Philippians 4:8 came into mind of brothers and sisters think of things that are good and noble. And then immediately, you know, the vision started that God was giving my client visions of all the good things that the parents did instead of all the negative things. The negative things are usually from the enemy trying to keep them stuck in this cycle of overwhelm, which is very consistent for females in particular. We tend to ruminate more than the men. The men are very...
Kristen Wambach (24:23.15)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (24:29.902)
No, we don't do that. [Laughs]
Sylvia Worsham, Author (24:36.319)
We love doing that. We love—I mean, even in my Bible study the other day, we're studying the book of Esther. And we were coming up with all sorts of reasons why Queen Vashti was not like in the presence of the king. It's like the men would have looked at it and said, "It's clearly stated in scripture. Let's just keep moving on." The women tend to ruminate a lot. So I'm one of those women. I ruminate, I was ruminating, my father passed away almost two years ago, Father's Day, and the same thing was happening to me. And Philippians 4:8 kicked in. And then God gave me visions of all the times my father did show up for me.
Kristen Wambach (25:19.374)
Mm-hmm.
Sylvia Worsham, Author (25:21.089)
And that's when you know it's of God and when you know it's Satan that is plaguing you more so, keeping you in the darkness. So I hope I answered your question. I kind of went around about way.
Kristen Wambach (25:35.467)
I love roundabout ways. I absolutely love them. So one of your superpowers, Sylvia, is seeing the silver lining. On Interviewing Jesus podcast, we talk about bridging the gap between Heaven and earth, literally experiencing Heaven now, which your testimony, it said, that you shared with us is right on the mark with experiencing the fullness and the goodness of God from Heaven. How do you practically pull down heavenly perspectives when a challenge feels like it has no silver lining?
Sylvia Worsham, Author (26:22.291)
I invite Him in. I know the tendency is when you're in the darkness, Satan will start coming in to tell you to be mad at Him, to blame Him. I know I've fallen into that trap. And so I'm being very vulnerable here. I will force myself to open up scripture, even when I don't feel like it. A couple of days will go by and then the consistency of that practice brings me out of that darkness and into His light again. The other thing I've done is also go outside and marvel at the beauty of His creation. And recently I've been going outside with my dog in the mornings and I was doing a lot of to do things. Like I'm such a high achiever that God in November of this past year had to sit me down and say—I was going through a really dark period. And He said, "Baby girl, why are you achieving for My love? You already have My love. You don't need to achieve. Your dad has been gone almost two years and you're still doing the same pattern with all the men in your life, including Me. You're doing it with your husband and you have his love. And let Me show you the vision of here's his love, here's My love. So right now I need you to focus on pausing for presence." Pause for presence. That's my tagline for 2026. And in that pause for presence, while going outside, it's hard to escape His creation when birds are everywhere and the sky is so brilliantly blue and the smells are magical. It's really hard to ignore Him. He's everywhere in all the beauty I see in the Word I'm reading because now, before I would read the Word, and it would just be like in passing until I had major conflict with my husband in November. And then there was a vertical conversation, a very heavy conversation I had with Christ then again, who redirected my path for 2026. And my new aim now is surrendering control in the small things, small things like this. So when I'm going through anything negative, as I read scripture now, because I'm pausing for presence, is I will use my superpowers of how God shows up for me, which He tends to highlight certain words as I read text. And so I'll highlight it, I'll circle it, and then I'll draw out this like arrow and I will say what that scripture means to me right now. What is He telling me through that scripture? The more I've practiced this the last couple of months, the more centered I have felt. The other thing I did was, I don't know if you guys have ever seen the movie, The War Room. It's an Alex Kendrick's film and it focuses on a marriage that's falling apart. And there's an older lady, Ms. Clara, that starts guiding the young wife through this. And she talks about creating a war room, a prayer room, a prayer closet, if you will. And I saw the movie again. And this time I caught different things about the movie. And one of the things that the Holy Spirit highlighted for me was a strategy she shares with the wife. Because she is in a really dark space and I was in a really, really dark space in November. He said, she said, "You have got to getting good with the Lord." And the way to combat Satan is to put up scripture all over your house. And so I started to research the scripture and there's scripture all over my home and He started to guide me on a new project that I'm working on for my next book. And in it is who I am, my identity in Christ. Right? And the more I read and the more I allow the Holy Spirit to allow me to see in my honest prayer every day, and gentlemen listening is: "Lord, give me eyes to see spiritually what You need me to see, ears to hear what You need me to understand, and a heart to believe who and what I am in You." Because the issue was, Kristen, I believed that Jesus was the Messiah and I trusted in Him. I just didn't believe who I was in Him. And for 2026, that's what He's working on with me. And I'm just—I wake up every morning at 4 a.m. and I pray from 4 to about 6 a.m. when I go upstairs and wake up my daughter for school. And it is coffee chats. I drink one cup of coffee and that's the only coffee I drink all day. And He's my first appointment of the day. And that's every day. There is like no day that I skip or anything. And that's what I've done to get out of that space.
Kristen Wambach (32:44.642)
That's beautiful. Thank you for sharing that. Thank you.
Sylvia Worsham, Author (32:44.757)
Thank you for sharing.
Kristen Wambach (32:52.352)
If you could sit across from Jesus today, I don't even like using the word if because I believe we are sitting across from Jesus today. And we could—you could ask Him one question regarding the professional women you serve. What would that question be?
Sylvia Worsham, Author (33:17.247)
That's a hard one. Am I serving them in the way You need me to serve them? rather, would the question be more like, am I on the path that You intended for me to serve the people that I'm serving? And see what He—it's a general question, but it's like to really understand are the books, the podcast, is that Your will or is that my desire that I just misinterpreted as Your will? That's what He says.
Kristen Wambach (34:06.296)
You know what I saw in the spirit when you were letting the question mull around in your head? I saw you get up from the teacher's position and go sit in the student chair.
Sylvia Worsham, Author (34:07.265)
Thank you.
Kristen Wambach (34:21.304)
That was a beautiful thing. That you walk and you literally stand in other people's footsteps so that you can serve and respond to them and support them.
Sylvia Worsham, Author (34:34.803)
And you know what? I'm feeling His presence in me. And what came to me was—have you, you are currently living the third level of my mastermind. So I have three levels masterminds. One is Freedom from Fear. Second one is Joy in the Journey and they all build through In Faith I Thrive. And we use the book because that—He's the author of that book. I'm just His vehicle. Third level is the toughest level to be in in His trust in God's sovereignty. Because He's asking me to relinquish control of the small things, which can be very difficult for women in particular, who are used to being in control of their homes, of their children's schedules, of everybody's schedules. I mean, it's what society kind of beats us with, you know? And so it's ingrained in our subconscious to be that way. And it's tough for us to relinquish that control to release it completely and surrender it to Him, even in the small things. So thank you for that visual because it just confirmed what He told me this morning.
Kristen Wambach (35:49.487)
You're very welcome. I'm going to ask you just one more perspective of what you were sharing with us there. How do you separate where you feel control, like I'm hanging on to it too tight versus you realizing your call that He called you to be a leader. So there's a fine line. There's a gray area that we need to develop and mature so that we can release what we need to release and lead and accept who we are as leaders on our path.
Sylvia Worsham, Author (36:33.491)
That was a hard one, Kristen. I tell you, I struggled with that one a lot recently because I'm wondering where He wants me. Does He want me getting my master's and PhD, for example, which has been some thought that has been in the back of my mind. So I'm trying to discern whether that's Him or that's me, which would put me in a leadership position because the master's is in theology, psychology, what I'm considering, which is the concept of the book and the podcast. And the PhD would follow that path. Or do I step fully into the masterminds because I had spent the last four years writing books and doing the podcast, which takes, as you and I both know, that takes a lot of time and a lot of energy to do that. I'm still advancing His kingdom. But is it in the manner that He needs me to lead His kingdom, like to move it even further than what I've already done? So that's something that I'm actively asking Him to show me. I don't want to make that decision. I'm thinking the control is coming into play because of my doubt. And like I described before, doubt is not of God. That is the ego, the mind playing tricks on you, right? Like that's your programming coming into play and to kind of like what I think of Galatians 5:17, the flesh and the spirit are always in conflict with each other and you're to be spirit-led and not driven by the flesh, by the desires of the flesh. So I'm wondering if which one it is for me so that I can then step into that leadership role, which right now I, to a degree I'm stepping into as a podcast host because I'm leading discussions that are difficult discussions because the people that are on my podcast are not all believers. There are people that are struggling with their belief. They're searching for Him, but they call Him something totally different. They call Him "universe" or they call Him "energy" or whatever it is that in their journey they need to call Him. I create a space that they feel comfortable enough to share this, but then I also share my perspective and I bring in His perspective. So to a degree I'm taking the leadership role, but I know if it's to the degree that He needs me to do right now. So that one's an iffy one. It's hard to relinquish that control because what I found was my biggest struggle is that at times I've fallen into the trap of following a certain path only to realize that Satan has been masquerading as an angel of light. And then God has shown me a vision of like—you don't need this person. Like to give you perspective, I had a gentleman that was referring a lot of people to my podcast. He came out of nowhere. I thought initially it was God sending me this individual. So I started interviewing the people that that he had brought me to the podcast. And this was like a couple of weeks back, my daughter was very ill with the flu and I—my husband was out of town. I was overwhelmed with a bunch of stuff happening as you know, we juggle so much in our home that I failed to read the biography of someone that I said I would interview. And when they got on the podcast, I didn't realize that they were going to be talking about a subject that went completely contradictory to my values as a Christian woman. She was going to be discussing polyamorous relationships and how she was pro that, and I'm very much against that. And so I felt a disalignment immediately in my soul, but I had already agreed to interview this individual. And I remember praying inside my mind as she's talking to God, like talking to Him, like, "What do I do in this situation?" And I felt the Lord say, "Share with her the story of Christ with the woman who had been caught in adultery that was about to be stoned to death." Interestingly enough, and that's what I had read that morning. And so I'm like describing this and saying how Christ wasn't judging her but He asked her to not continue in her sin, that He was a kind and gentle father, right, and brother, and that He was leaving the judgment up to God the Father. And then when I asked a personal question, I felt led to ask a personal question of her husband. Was her husband in agreement with these polyamorous relationship? And she stopped the interview right away. Well, the whole gist of why I'm saying all this is that initially this gentleman was sending me people that were big time influencers on Instagram. These were people with over like 31.2 K, you know, people in there, you know, this big significance, right? And initially I was someone that is a smaller podcast and you kind of want that exposure so that your message gets out. But then I thought to myself, at what cost am I doing that? And this is going in complete contradiction to who I'm becoming in Him. And the disalignment was there. So the release of control was letting that go because when that interview happened, I reached out to the gentleman that was sending and I said, "Hey, this happened just FYI," didn't hear back from him. I reached out one second time and that's when God came in and said, "You and I need to talk. You need to let this one go. This is not an alignment. This was Satan masquerading as angel of light. You need to be careful with who you associate yourself with because you're not really advancing My kingdom now. Now there's more noise. So be very careful with this message moving forward." And so now I'm like re-examining things in my life and asking the Lord to reveal, to help me see what He needs me to see so that my path then can lead to His light and to His glory.
Kristen Wambach (43:39.267)
Thank you very much for sharing that and how you processed the question, how you processed questioning the path that you were on. That was excellent. Thank you so much for sharing that with us. Sylvia, how can our listeners connect with you?
Sylvia Worsham, Author (43:54.067)
You're welcome. It's really easy. I've made it very easy for people. On my website. Everything's on there. My books, way to contact me, my podcast, everything's linked. So it's www.sylviaworsham.com. That's how you reach me.
Kristen Wambach (44:28.908)
Wonderful, wonderful. And your coaching. You have a coaching tab there as well. Yes.
Sylvia Worsham, Author (44:34.623)
Yes, yes. My Calendly is on there so you can book a call, and greet. You can get on my podcast if you'd like to be on Release Doubt, Reveal Purpose. And the meet and greet is for us to understand what your needs are and if we're a good fit, we're a good fit. And if not, I actually have coaches that I refer to based on the needs of the clients.
Kristen Wambach (44:55.886)
And the masterminds that you were sharing with us, are those there as well?
Sylvia Worsham, Author (45:02.677)
Yes, a description of them are there. And then when you reach out to me via like a phone call to discuss, then I would send the form of payment, which is not available on my website. That would be like discussing with me first, because we first have to identify what level you're in. Not everybody's in Freedom from Fear, for example, some people have already journeyed through fear are now in the space of joy, and they don't know how to be in joy. And so that's why Joy in the Journey is there to kind of guide women to their authentic selves, to guide themselves, like to learn how to get to know themselves again. Because when they go through major change, women tend to lose themselves in their identity quite a bit because they're nurturing others and they're taking care of others and they often forget to take care of themselves. So it's about reconnecting with self. And then from that space, it's reconnecting with Christ Himself. And then the third and final level is trust and in God's sovereignty. And those are higher level concepts of like full surrender, surrender in the small things in life. Because now He's put me through the ringer first. So now I understand what you're going through so I can guide you best. And we have a book that He authored that is guiding us through those journeys. And so it's level one, two or three, and it just depends on where you're [at].
Kristen Wambach (46:29.87)
And I am very impressed by how gifted you are in framing all that up. I see that. I see that. That's wonderful. Would you share us one little goodie, one more little goodie, because you've already, you've prayed for us, you've shared with us some wonderful frameworks, but one little goodie from that place that you were sitting in, what we would say the student's chair that I talked about earlier, that place where you're asking God His perspectives. So you got up, you sat in a different chair, a chair of a learner, of a student so that you would hear that perspective. Would you either pray or declare or give us a little how-to?
Sylvia Worsham, Author (47:25.154)
Well, let's pray about it because I think prayer is very powerful. Lord, we ask You so humbly to come and search our hearts, search our minds and reveal to us what we need to see, what we need to let go of to move from this place of darkness we find ourselves in, this place of change. Because Lord, we know that change is an opportunity for us to seek Your light in the dark space. Seek Your guidance, Your voice. Please help us tap into that whisper. Guide us into what we need to do, what we need to continue doing, start doing, and what we need to stop doing altogether so that we can tap into You, tap into Your genius, Your capacity, Your knowledge of the circumstances we find ourselves in. And we ask this so humbly in Your name, amen.
Kristen Wambach (48:47.618)
Thank you much. Thank you, Sylvia. What a treat and a pleasure to hang out with you today. Thank you very much. Listeners, I want to remind you that all of Sylvia's connections, the transcript will all be in the show notes. Thank you again, Sylvia. We've been greatly rewarded today. Thank you.
Sylvia Worsham, Author (49:12.15)
Thank you, Kristen.

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The Anatomy of a Turning Point

Many people view crisis as a breaking point—a finality of sorts. However, Sylvia sees it as an opening. During our conversation on the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, she described the moment six doctors stood in her room delivering a grim prognosis. In that space, the Holy Spirit began a work of "spiritual investigative journalism" within her heart.
Surrender, as Sylvia defines it, isn't just believing that God exists; it is the radical acceptance of His will, regardless of the outcome. It is moving from the "ego identity"—which is rooted in doubt, past regrets, and the need for control—into the "soul identity," which is anchored in the finished work of Christ.

I invite the Holy Spirit into the meeting... He makes His presence known through either myself or even through the one receiving the coaching." —Sylvia Worsham

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WHEN JOY SEEMS BEYOND YOUR REACH… WHEN THE PAIN IS TOO GREAT… WHEN YOUR THOUGHTS AND FEELINGS BETRAY YOU… Can you Trust the Wisdom of Change? Change can be daunting and life-altering in unimaginable ways. It can reveal your fear-driven choices and guide you toward a life of joy in alignment with your SOUL’s desires. In Journey to Me, Sylvia Worsham shares raw and real stories of change, and affirms how God uses your choices to shift your lens toward your SOUL’s true identity. Sylvia shows you how to propel forward to a life of love, compassion, and joy by unveiling the root cause of your anger, fear, and resentment, while providing applicable coaching tips. When you trust God and step into uncertainty with faith, you see truth, let go of lies, and joyfully identify with your divine SOUL’s purpose. Are you ready to live a better life and want to create one? It’s time to get off the merry-go-round of hoping and take charge of your life!

If you know there’s more to life, but aren’t sure how to find it… If you're tired of operating under the belief that joy comes at the cost of sacrifice... If you’re ready to step into your divine purpose… Then it’s time to free yourself from doubt, anger, and uncertainty, and propel into a life of greater love, compassion, and JOY! In Faith, I Thrive will help you unveil the root cause of your limiting beliefs and patterns holding you back, and through spiritual teachings and tactical coaching methods, you’ll learn to transcend them. Not simply a spiritual how-to book, Sylvia Worsham’s deeply raw and personal stories on career, relationships, parenting, and a harrowing near-death experience repeatedly demonstrate how her faith helps her embody her SOUL’s true identity. When you’re ready to let go of the wheel and enjoy the ride, this book will inspire you to get real, dive deep, and thrive like never before!

FROM PERFECTION TO PURPOSE
The Golden Shackles: Growing up in a hardworking Mexican household in South Texas, I adopted a silent mantra: "To be worthy, I must achieve perfectly." This programming led me straight into the "golden shackles" of corporate pharmaceutical sales. From the outside, my life looked picture-perfect—a top-tier career at Pfizer, a prominent neighborhood, and a family. But inside, I was disconnected from my own soul and a God I only knew through religion, not relationship.
The Breaking Point. In 2007, the veneer cracked. While standing as the #1 saleswoman in my region, my ten-year marriage ended in divorce. I felt the first pull of the Holy Spirit using change as a catalyst for a deeper faith. I began to realize that the guilt I felt for my success was rooted in an old belief: that a woman couldn't have it all without a painful sacrifice.
The Three Miracles. The true "turning point" arrived in April 2009. Within 72 hours, I received three distinct miracles while facing a life-threatening medical crisis. Facing death became my greatest blessing; it was the "opening" that revealed why God had granted me a second chance.
A Roadmap for Growth. Six months after nearly dying, I took a leap of faith, moved to Austin, and began the journey of radical surrender. What started as a prompting to join the John Maxwell team evolved into becoming a 3x bestselling author and spiritual transformation coach.
Today, I help professional women navigate their own "sacred junctures." I’ve moved from a perfectionist who felt insignificant without an achievement to a warrior of light who knows her value. My mission is to lead you out of fear and ego and toward the joy and fulfillment that wait on the other side of surrender.

Bridging the Gap: Heaven on Good Friday

The most striking part of Sylvia’s testimony is her experience of the "presence" on Easter Sunday morning. As she prayed for a second chance, a love so immense enveloped the room that it became a physical reality. She described being "cradled like a child" by Christ himself.
This isn't just a mystical story; it’s a roadmap for every professional woman who feels trapped by the "perfectionist" label. Sylvia’s journey proves that we don't have to achieve for God’s love—we already have it. When we stop performing, we start positioned for the miraculous.

A love so immense enveloped the entire room. There was no question in my heart that I was in God’s presence." —Sylvia Worsham

Monday-Morning Logic: Pausing for Presence

The transition from a corporate mindset to a spirit-led life requires what Sylvia calls "Monday-morning" logic—practical, outcome-focused steps. Her primary activation is "Pausing for Presence."
In 2026, this means more than just a morning devotion. it is a deliberate "vertical conversation" with Jesus before the noise of the world begins. It involves:

Relinquishing Control: Identifying the "small things" we grip too tightly.
Scriptural Saturation: Placing the Word of God physically throughout our homes to combat the "noise" of doubt.
Spiritual Vision: Asking for eyes to see the "silver lining" not as a cliché, but as a heavenly perspective on earthly challenges.

As we navigate our own junctures, let us remember that the same Jesus who walked into that hospital room in Houston is sitting across from us today, inviting us to trade our striving for His peace.

Chapter Activations: Coaching Church

Activation for the Reader: The "Student Chair" Pivot
In our interview, we envisioned moving from the "teacher’s chair" (control) to the "student chair" (learning).

Identify the Noise: Where is "doubt" or "ruminating" taking up space in your mind today?
The Reframe: Use Philippians 4:8. Instead of the crisis, list three things that are "good and noble" about your current situation.
The Monday-Morning Step: Write one piece of scripture that speaks to your identity and tape it to your bathroom mirror. Read it aloud before you check your phone.

He who surrenders to God acknowledges him as the author of all that is good." — John Calvin

Final Summary

This episode with Sylvia Worsham is a masterclass in shifting from a performance-based life to a presence-based life. By applying "Monday-morning" logic to her supernatural encounter, Sylvia provides a safe path for professional women to navigate their deepest spiritual changes without losing their peace or their purpose.

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HEY THERE, I AM KRISTEN WAMBACH. If you are looking for an undeniable, week-one transformation, you are in the right place. My mission is to offer a safe path for your heart, giving you the practical tools and outcome-focused, Monday-morning logic to step into your daily life with absolute clarity, profound peace, and a direct connection to the heart of Jesus.

With 30+ years of ministry and leadership experience, I serve as a spiritual investigative journalist, mystical futurist, and ordained pastor. I have spent over two decades mastering Oneness
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As a transformation coach, I specialize in simplifying the supernatural and bringing heaven to earth. My focus is always on reverence, hope, and testifying to redemption to advance the kingdom.

As the host of the globally reaching podcast, INTERVIEWING JESUS. , I facilitate soul-stirring conversations that provide exclusive access to divine wisdom meant to rewrite your life and awaken your God-inspired calling.

In my upcoming book, HOW GOOD IS GOD. , you will not find heavy theological arguments. Instead, you will find a practical path with raw stories, prayer, and simple activations designed to help you live spiritually brave.

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Shifting the Battlefield of the Mind with Jai Roza ❖ 269

3/19/2026

God does not need our perfection; He simply wants our genuine invitation to step into the battlefield of our minds.' —Jai Roza

Episode Takeaways

Recognizing that spiritual warfare is not a reactive panic, but a proactive exercise of choosing God's word over the enemy's lies.
Understanding how to apply presence of mind to view current struggles from an eternal, kingdom perspective.
Embracing your current life stage as a learning tutorial, giving yourself the grace to grow in your Oneness with Christ.

THE TUTORIAL FOR ETERNITY.

As a spiritual investigative journalist, I am always seeking the practical keys that bridge heaven and earth. There is a profound transformation that happens when we realize we are not victims of our circumstances, but active participants empowered by the Law of the Spirit of Life. If you have ever felt exhausted by the concept of spiritual warfare, or if the battlefield of the mind has left you feeling defeated, there is a safe path forward. This journey is not about fighting for a victory you do not yet possess; it is about recognizing the finished work of the cross and stepping into the authority of your choices.

SUMMARY

Welcome to the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, a Christian podcast and spiritual awakening podcast for hearing God's voice. In this episode, your host Kristen Wambach, drawing on over 30 years of global ministry experience, sits down with Jai Roza, creator of the Eden's Conflict card game. Together, they explore how to bridge heaven and earth by simplifying the supernatural. Jai shares his incredible journey of surviving profound darkness through a direct Rhema word, revealing how creativity and gaming can help believers tangibly grasp the promises of God. Discover how to exercise your God-given power of choice, adopt a kingdom first mindset, and view your life's challenges as a beautiful, grace-covered tutorial for eternity.

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Kristen Wambach (00:01.416)
Welcome, welcome to Interviewing Jesus podcast. I am your host, Kristin Wambach, with 30 years in ministry. My passion is to find the practical keys that bridge heaven and earth. And I have a treat for you today. I found another one. Simply the supernatural. That's just what we want to know about. Today we have a guest who does exactly that through an incredible creative lens. Jai Rosa, I think I got that—Jai Rosa. I have to get my rolled R in there. A creator of Eden's Conflict card game, music, and gaming. After a powerful encounter with God at his absolute lowest point, Jai turned his darkest moments into a mission to revolutionize...
Jai Roza (00:36.111)
Rossa!
Kristen Wambach (00:56.696)
...how we engage with scripture. We are diving into creativity, transforming the battlefield of the mind and resting in our oneness with Jesus. Welcome, Jai.
Jai Roza (01:10.094)
Kristo, thank you for having me on. I don't think I've had an introduction like that before.
Kristen Wambach (01:15.758)
It'll be good. It'll be good. We were talking, listeners, to this young man and I have a slew of, I have four boys and I looked at him and I go, you could be one of my boys. He's 36 and full of the Holy Spirit. So this is going to be great fun. Jai, many people hear the phrase spiritual warfare...
Jai Roza (01:18.065)
You
Jai Roza (01:30.571)
Hahaha!
Kristen Wambach (01:44.190)
...and immediately feel exhausted. The idea of, go, I got to climb up on my mountain again and do the work. Sometimes it can feel exhausted by the idea of constant fight. But through the lens of Romans 8:2, my favorite, the law of the spirit of life has set us free. How does Eden's conflict help our prayers and players shift from a defensive posture to actually resting in the finished work of the cross?
Jai Roza (02:17.905)
I think we start with understanding that we have a choice to make. And this is where I feel most non-believers, but even a lot of believers, find themselves feeling helpless most of the time. And what we forget to understand about scripture is that scripture gives us choices. Like if Christ never died, it wouldn't matter how good you or I behave or discipline ourselves.
Kristen Wambach (02:32.354)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (02:46.469)
...because we would have never had the freedom to choose God. We would have always still ended up under the imprisonment of death. So it's like, God's whole entirety of scripture is about offering choice and direction. Now, many times we don't know what to do or how to look for these things. So my mission with Eden's conflict is to help create that reminder of choice and that dichotomy of like where I'm going in life. And so the name Eden's conflict, Eden is paradise, there's conflict in paradise. And it all began with a choice. So the whole premise is to bring that mind back to choice and understanding that God has given me choice. Now the question becomes, how do I begin that? Like, where do I start? What choices do I need to make? And I like to use this example. I gave it actually recently when I was preaching was what was Adam's first job? What was Adam's very first job?
Kristen Wambach (03:24.279)
It did.
Kristen Wambach (03:47.000)
To be in relationship with God.
Jai Roza (03:49.361)
Okay, that's part of it. That was part of the relationship. But what was his job specifically? There's a very specific job that God told Adam to do.
Kristen Wambach (04:00.398)
I'm trying to think I go is this before Eve or after Eve? No, it was before I had to go through it was before Eve because... Because Eve it wasn't shored up then that's why she was tempted. So he was supposed to multiply, he's supposed to be fruitful multiply and subdue the earth.
Jai Roza (04:01.602)
Hahaha. This is before Eve. This is before Eve. Yes.
Jai Roza (04:24.059)
Well, that was after Eve because without Eve he couldn't multiply. He couldn't multiply without Eve. So before he got Eve, God did something. I'll remind the story. God brings all the animals to him.
Kristen Wambach (04:25.804)
That's after eight!
Kristen Wambach (04:37.418)
That's right, naming them!
Jai Roza (04:39.255)
Exactly. The act of, is the act of naming? What do you call something that's the, like the process of naming?
Kristen Wambach (04:46.311)
That means your breath comes out and actually frames the identity of the animal.
Jai Roza (04:53.081)
Yes, there's a, but the word I'm thinking of is, and now it just escaped my mind. There's a title for naming things and I'm going to look it up right now.
Jai Roza (05:10.993)
I think it's taxology? No, what's it called?
Kristen Wambach (05:16.332)
Technology?
Jai Roza (05:21.561)
It's gonna bother me now. I had it on the tip of my tongue and it left as soon as I was about to bring it up. It'll come right back to me.
Kristen Wambach (05:26.350)
It'll come right back.
Jai Roza (05:35.857)
I had to look up my sermon notes and be like, where is it? Where is it? One, two, three, four, taxonomy. Taxonomy is the process of classifying and naming entities or titles. So Adam was a taxonomist. That was his very first job. And in the process of executing his work...
Kristen Wambach (05:45.833)
Axonomy.
Kristen Wambach (05:53.582)
Like that, I have never heard that before.
Kristen Wambach (06:04.056)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (06:04.215)
...of naming and beginning to understand the world around him, he realized that there wasn't a help made for him. He realized he was missing something. And so this is what I say with people is like, if you want to figure out where you're going or what choices you need to make, you need to start understanding the world around you and start being able to classify the things that are going on in your life. And when you do that, you'll be able to see the places that stuff is missing or falling short. And now...
Kristen Wambach (06:07.936)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (06:13.496)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (06:32.622)
...you start to see the places that you need God, that you need his help, that you need his direction, you need his guidance. Now, for some of us that might feel easy because we're like, well, I need his guidance for everything. I feel lost in life. I feel like I don't know what I'm doing. I wake up and I'm just existing. And it's like, okay, but do you know how to name the specific struggles you're going through? Like, are you depressed? Are you angry? Are you struggling with lust? It's like, are you able to name? Not only the sin, but the moments in which the sin arises, or the desire for the sin arises, or the thought process arises. Are you able to start understanding your world and saying, when I do these habits, this pattern follows? Because now you're starting to build out a mental structure, a mental framework of the world around you. And now you can start to see where I need to invite God and where I need to help God, where I need to make the choice. Like, does the choice happen when...
Kristen Wambach (07:20.140)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (07:30.479)
...I'm standing at the grocery store and I see the option to buy alcohol that I know I shouldn't buy. It's like, or does the choice happen before I even enter the aisle to be like, I should just avoid that aisle entirely. Or maybe I should go to a different store, like so that I'm not familiar with where I would go for my old habits. Understanding that it's like choice begins at different levels and that I, as a created human being in God's image, have the ability to make choices is one of the most empowering things that the enemy doesn't want you to know.
Kristen Wambach (07:46.605)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (08:00.975)
Because if you understand that you have a choice to make, all of a sudden you can start choosing to believe God's word in the moments where the enemy is telling you a lie. Where he's telling you, you can't change this sin. You can't break from this addiction. You can't overcome this struggle. You can't do these things. You will never be free. You are, are blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, and now you start realizing, wait, I have choices. Who are you to tell me what I can and can't do?
Kristen Wambach (08:29.036)
That's right.
Jai Roza (08:29.893)
Like God is the only one who decides, literally he speaks and the world comes into existence. And so how can I let that voice, that creative power speak in my life? Well, I can begin to choose to let it in, not just through prayer and invitation, but I can begin to choose to recite, to exercise, to echo the voice of creation with my own voice so that my world is recreated in his image. And learning to intentionally...
Kristen Wambach (08:35.562)
Huh.
Kristen Wambach (08:51.682)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (08:59.771)
...dig through scripture and be like, this verse, this is my verse. This passage, this is my passage. And it doesn't matter what the world says or what Satan tells me or even what my own voice tells me because Satan can imitate your voice. And a lot of times temptation will come across as if it's my own thoughts when really it's the enemy speaking in my own voice. And he can imitate an angel of light. He can imitate you. So don't assume that just because you hear yourself thinking something, that that's genuinely what you want. Because that's that war within the self where you're like, I know what I want, but the flesh wants something else. This is the place where God is bringing our attention and he's saying, who will you believe? My words that call you free, born again, saved, or the enemy's words that say, you're struggling with this, you're addicted to this, you can't overcome this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, if I don't realize that I have choice, then it doesn't matter what the options are because I'm not even able to utilize them. And now I'm just pushed by the influence. And so this is why we say we're trying to teach people to be proactive rather than reactive. Many Christians live a reactive faith, which is God protect me from all bad things. God, a bad thing is happening. What do I do? How do I handle with this? Like I wasn't expecting this, you know. It's like rather than being like God, thank you for...
Kristen Wambach (10:14.766)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (10:27.081)
...giving me the opportunity to exist today so that I can praise your name in whatever comes my way. And now when a good thing comes up, thank you God. I thank you so much for the opportunity to have this blessing. And when a bad thing comes up, thank you God, because I'm glad that it was me that this happened to and not somebody else who doesn't know how to handle it. Because it's not me, it's Him. So choice and having that ability to understand when and how to make choice is completely...
Kristen Wambach (10:30.968)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (10:56.165)
...the gift that God gave us. That's why Christ died. And that's what we want to teach people with Eden's conflict. So everything we're doing is what I say, we're trying to create transformation through creative expression. So how can we take the deep knowledge of scripture and create a unique or expressive way that reminds me of that key principle? Whether it be in the clothes that you wear or in the music you listen to or in the stories you tell or in the games you play...
Kristen Wambach (11:17.762)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (11:26.007)
All of these things are little choices that we can implement. We can bring more of God into and begin to affect our lives in a positive way. Because it's not us. We're just allowing that creative voice to speak to us more. And we're choosing where to let Him in.
Jai Roza (11:47.409)
I see the mind, the mind is reeling, it's thinking.
Kristen Wambach (11:47.513)
Cool. Yeah. Well, because you put it, I love the way that you classified it. You used a different verbiage. And so I'm thinking I'm running through your verbiage because it's same word, same perspective, but different verbiage. Different. And I'm going, this is really good. God. So would you take us a little bit in your history here? It says you mentioned that God spoke to you through an unexpected phone call when you were absolute at the lowest point. And we talk a lot about the difference between the Logos mind and the Rhema mind. Obviously you have experienced that because you're creating and you're creating the things that come out of you actually come from that Rhema. But we had to learn how to separate our thoughts, how to learn to hear God and how he breathed into us. So how did God speaking to you bring forth that course corrects to where your choices changed?
Jai Roza (13:05.883)
So it all began, well, it began a lot earlier than that. It began when I was a child. And at eight years old, I was molested. And it was something that was hidden from my family. It was hidden from everybody around me. And I bore this self-awareness. I literally remember the next day being more self-aware because I'm nervous that someone's gonna find out what happened.
Kristen Wambach (13:12.824)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (13:33.504)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (13:33.905)
And so it was this immediate sense of like awareness. And that gradually led me to questioning my faith, questioning God, like trusting people. I had a very hard time trusting people growing up. And eventually by a combination of that, becoming addicted to pornography at like 11 or 12, starting to practice Eastern meditation and Eastern philosophy.
Kristen Wambach (13:46.990)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (14:02.469)
Called myself a New Age Christian at first, then started practicing just more New Age in general, began to have communion with voices and spirits that later I realized were not from God. But in my mind, God was just a universal person. So it's just the universe speaking to me. And it's like, they're just telling me things that are good for me until they get to the point where it's like, do what they say or else. Like, do what they say or we're going to keep you awake for days on end.
Kristen Wambach (14:07.374)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (14:15.554)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (14:27.767)
Mm.
Jai Roza (14:31.567)
And they would. So it was like by 17 going like probably two months before my 18th birthday, I had had enough. I was like, I feel like a terrible person. I'm struggling with severe depression. I'm struggling with addiction. I am failing high school. I ended up dropping out. It was like I had no purpose in life. And in my mind, I was like, I'm going nowhere and I can't even control my sleep. Like I don't even get to sleep anymore because unless I do what the voices say, they'll punish me physically for not obeying them. So it's like, how do I make any choice? I have no choices here. I can choose to end my life. At 17 and a half, I was like, I can choose to end my life. I'm going to do that. Like that, that was my decision. And I was confident in it enough where I began to sit on my couch and I was like, okay, am I going to write a note? Remember I'm failing high school. My...
Kristen Wambach (15:13.102)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (15:28.337)
...educational level, I was like, do I want a sad note of my pathetic writing and like verbiage to be the last thing people remember of me or do I like better to just end it and not let anybody know anything? And so I'm there planning my suicide, how I was going to take my life that night. And this is about 12:30 at night, when all of a sudden my phone rings. Now I had reconnected with a friend who had moved away years before. MySpace was popping up and becoming a thing, social media was becoming a thing. So we had...
Kristen Wambach (15:56.622)
You
Jai Roza (15:57.677)
...reconnected. Like this type of thing didn't exist before. That's how old I am. So, I'm ancient. So, this friend and I had reconnected and they were also in high school. They were going through their own struggles and we had kind of sympathized. They're in another state and we reconnected over our sympathy of depression and struggle and like, you know, kind of emo kid like...
Kristen Wambach (16:01.294)
you
Jai Roza (16:26.289)
...life is so hard, blah, blah, blah. Now they knew that I grew up a believer, we had both grown up believers, they were still practicing to a degree because their father was a pastor. But they had their own traumas, they had their own struggles. And they call me and it's 12:30 at night my time and they say, what are you doing right now? I just got out of a Bible study and felt like I had to call you. Now, my options here are the fact that I know that they don't have anybody else's number in my family. I know that they don't know where I live because I had moved. I know that they can't do anything to stop what I'm about to do. So why not be honest? Because it's not like they could stop me. And so I tell them, I was like, I'm planning to take my life. Like, just plain and simple. Now, looking back on it, that's messed up because it's like, if you were that teenager who called on a whim, under an oppression and then like your friend ended up taking their life, it's like you would be messed up for years after that. Or if you had decided not to call, it's late and I'm not going to bother them right now. And I wasn't there the next day. It was like they would have been messed up. Like that would have been messed up. And that's the enemy's goal is like he just wants to create chaos and pain. And so but in that moment, they start praying and they start claiming scripture.
Kristen Wambach (17:41.069)
you
Jai Roza (17:53.123)
...and they start reminding me of the promises of scripture only on what they believe not on why I should believe it not on how I used to believe it but why they choose to believe what the words of scripture say. Now picture this. I am at this point just not sleeping properly. I'm partially delusional probably. But I've also been exercising like communing with the spirits where they're teaching me how to see the spiritual realm.
Kristen Wambach (18:06.307)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (18:22.531)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (18:22.937)
And so that's part of the meditation that I would do is learning to open my third eye quote unquote and see the spiritual realm. And that was one of the things that drove me to my decision because the spiritual world was just utter black disgustingness. And I was like, I don't want anything to do. I don't want to exist in a world where this exists. And so in that moment, as they're speaking, I'm looking and I open my eyes and I'm seeing the spiritual world around me.
Kristen Wambach (18:36.750)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (18:51.363)
...and I see the entire pitch blackness just light up for like a second. And I was like, like, like the best way I can describe it is if you've been in utter blackness and someone took a flashlight and clicked it in front of your eyes. And your eyes don't adjust. You don't now see everything in clarity and be like, there was that light. Now I can see. No, but you're aware of something else. And that's all it took was...
Kristen Wambach (19:18.306)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (19:21.135)
...God's making his awareness to my mind and I didn't even realize that it was the God of the Bible yet. I'm still thinking the universe, some ancient spirit in the universe beheld me and told this person to do this so they could like send a glimmer of themselves to me. And so in my mind I was like, I can always choose suicide, I can't always choose to figure out what that light was.
Kristen Wambach (19:32.088)
Ha
Jai Roza (19:49.551)
And maybe I could, you know, my mind is a mixture of Christian beliefs and New Age beliefs. I was like, well, maybe if I do take my life, I'll just reincarnate in a higher dimension and see that thing. But there was that struggle for a bit, but I was like, no, let's play it safe. Let's just hold out on the suicide a little bit more. That's always an option, but let's see if we can't figure out what that light came from. And from that point on, for the next few months, I noticed that the Bible in the house began to have a gentle glow to it, like as if there was a light radiating off of it. And I was like, huh, well, that's new. And I would ask other people that I knew who were kind of practicing what I was practicing. I was like, yo, I wouldn't tell them it's a Bible. I was like, do you see any light, any aura on this book? You know, can you see it? And they're like, no, I don't see anything. And...
Kristen Wambach (20:44.784)
Jai Roza (20:45.507)
And it was like, so God was using the things that I was willing to look to, to like genuinely seek him. And this is the part that I try and instruct people is like, where are you genuinely looking for God? Because he will direct you. He will guide you. And, you know, I don't tell people it's like start reading energies, start practicing mantras, start like learning to open your third eye. I'm like, no, avoid all of that. Like the plague, you don't need that. All you need is the Holy spirit. And he shows up to those who are genuinely wanting him. But you have to learn to give that invitation first. Like God gives you an invitation to come to him. The only way you accept the invitation is by giving him an invitation to come to you. So it's this shared invitation both ways that we don't think about. Most of the time when we think of God and we're like, God, give me this, give me that, do this, do that. But we don't think of it as like an invitation to say, God, I invite you into this person's life, into this...
Kristen Wambach (21:19.384)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (21:43.886)
...situation in my work into this emotional internal turmoil because that's how he works. He only works through invitation. But where are we asking? Like we're not asking him to come in. We're just so often being like, God, do these things. Change this person. Stop that thing from happening. And he's like, well, maybe you should just invite me into that space and let me work.
Kristen Wambach (22:05.838)
you
Jai Roza (22:11.951)
Because I have a thousand ways to do things that you don't know anything about. So, yeah, that night was the moment where it was like, I just started sleeping with my Bible because it at least kept the voices away. Like they couldn't approach me if I was holding on to the book. And it was muted enough that I could sleep. And for months after that, I would fall asleep clutching my Bible. And then it started beginning, well, maybe I should read this book. I was using it like a totem, like a little object.
Kristen Wambach (22:27.054)
Mm.
Jai Roza (22:41.451)
And it was like, like, good luck charm. And I was like, maybe I should actually like open it up and read. And again, my reading was terrible. But I began to try and then my family had happened to have, they worked at a Christian bookstore and they happened to get a Bible on CD. And it was a huge case of like CD after CD after CD. It was like probably 50 or 60 CDs. And so I would be listening to that and following along like reading the words and as the CDs reading it out. And that was part of it. And eventually I was like, I could only go to sleep if the CD was playing, like the Bible was playing, then I could, I could sleep peacefully. So God began to teach me like to listen to the words and to let the word speak where I'm not trying to force it into something. I'm not trying to bend it or study it out to the point where it's like, I have to analyze and be able to explain and break down. It's like, I'm just learning to absorb it.
Kristen Wambach (23:40.760)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (23:41.081)
...in the same way that it's like, you know, an athlete needs to eat and sometimes you need to just enjoy a good meal. So one is like, I'm just eating this because I have to. The other is like, I'm choosing to indulge in the flavor, the taste, the profile of the word and letting my mind have that time to just sit and consume it. And that's what biblical meditation is like. Meditation is not a bad word.
Kristen Wambach (24:07.554)
Mm-mm.
Jai Roza (24:07.983)
In the same way, spiritual warfare is not a bad word, although a lot of times we hear it and we think struggle, fear, chaos, maybe possession, demons, you know, I don't know that I want to think about or deal with that. Like we tend to distance ourselves. And the reality is it's like, well, we live in that we are experiencing that we are part, at least part spiritual beings, because we have a spirit and we have a physical body. So part of us exists in that world already. But most of us live in a reactive state rather than a proactive state that says, okay, how do I practically put on the armor of God? How do I format my mind in a way where the checkpoints of ideas that come in have to go through God's word first before I actually indulge in pursuing that thought process? And we do that by learning to see the world through the lens of the scripture. But if I don't read the scriptures, I can't see anything.
Kristen Wambach (25:05.654)
You're going to love this next question.
Jai Roza (25:07.914)
Kristen Wambach (25:09.848)
Bridging heaven to earth requires us to actively engage our spiritual senses. So a little bit about me. I struggled with dyslexia until I was 30. So grammar school that was just pain. Just it was just painful and Holy Spirit came in on the scene made all those changes then dyslexia was healed and went away, which is...
Jai Roza (25:27.225)
Mm-hmm. Yep.
Kristen Wambach (25:39.562)
...and today I consider myself a writer. Second book just about ready there. So I understand and then at little after 30 he opened my spiritual eyes and then it's like oh This is different and okay. We're back in kindergarten again So I do understand people go aren't you afraid of all this stuff and I go I don't focus there.
Jai Roza (25:46.415)
Hahaha!
Jai Roza (26:01.689)
Hahaha
Jai Roza (26:08.357)
Yeah. Yeah.
Kristen Wambach (26:10.472)
I don't focus there. I could focus there, but I don't focus there. So you get to see all that cool stuff that's in the light, right? So engaging our spiritual senses. How does physically holding the promises of God, say for instance, in your card game, because promises are written and all what you've done creatively is you've made it connected, kinetic so that it's something that is tangible and touchable.
Jai Roza (26:34.661)
Yeah.
Kristen Wambach (26:39.150)
How does that help players practice that quantum thinking, that creative thinking that you're moving structures just like God, moving sound, frequency, and light to change the realities around you?
Jai Roza (26:56.813)
It does it by understanding, going back a little bit to choice, that creativity involves action. And that action can be played out in many different ways. So I can speak it, I can read it, I can write it, I can hold it, I can look at it. All of these things are different actions that anyone can perform, or most people can perform. If you've got something that's blind, you can't see it. But there is a level of...
Kristen Wambach (27:01.368)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (27:05.314)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (27:26.349)
...of exercise of will. And this is the part that even I'm still working on fully mapping out this story. I wanna do a sermon or a talk on what the exercise of will looks like. Because that is the most basic thing. Like an infant child learns to exercise their will by crying out. And that's all they can do. Then they gradually learn to grasp things. They're exercising their will.
Kristen Wambach (27:49.080)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (27:52.696)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (27:55.383)
...everything we do is an exercise of will. In fact, we honor will so much that when someone dies, we look at their will. What was the last thing they desired for us to do on their behalf? So the exercise of will is something that all of us can practice. And the board game or the card game, I should say, is a form of exercising that choice, exercising will, where if I have a scripture card on my battlefield, quote unquote, and it's kind of weak, the points are a little low, and the temptations are stacking up, they're getting a little high. How can I counteract that? Well, I could do two things. One, I could play the scripture that cancels out the temptation, because with every temptation, there is a way of escape. Not there might be, there could be, no, there is. So I have to first choose to believe that there is no situation that the enemy can present to me that God does not have accounted to. So that's the first exercise of Will is choice. I'm believing the choice.
Kristen Wambach (28:38.582)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (28:52.938)
Yeah, I'm gonna ask you a favor. Would you say that again, please?
Jai Roza (28:54.385)
Yeah. Okay, the exercise will or the exercise choice? That whole situation. That whole belief.
Kristen Wambach (29:03.490)
That that that you you had a whole phrase in there that is going okay We need to come back around and we need to hear that again
Jai Roza (29:11.353)
Okay, okay. The choice to believe is your first way of exercising your will towards God. Like to bring your will into alignment with God's will is choosing and he says, choose you this day who you will serve. Choose to believe. The choice comes, it even says choose to put away your sins. It's like, well, wait, if my sin is something I struggle with, I don't know how to put it away. But God is saying, no, put it away.
Kristen Wambach (29:15.138)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (29:40.429)
If he's saying put it away, that means I have exercise and I have authority over it that I'm not exercising. And the only way I can begin to exercise that is by choosing to believe that I have a choice to make, that I can exercise my will over these things and say, I'm not going to do this anymore. I'm not going to this way anymore. And that's what the enemy doesn't want you to know is if you believe that you have choice, he can't manipulate you as easily because otherwise he only has his lies to hold up. So we are learning through the card game. We are learning to exercise will either by playing the correct scripture that cancels out the temptation or by reciting the card itself. I literally hand it off to a teammate and I recite the words on the card and it doubles the scripture. It doubles the points of the card. Now the game is written in a way where the rules are about teaching you the rules of spiritual warfare. Very introductory. And one of these rules, this exercise of being able to recite the card is to say that scripture you read is good, scripture you memorize is twice as powerful. Because we're learning the principle that what's in here, the Holy Spirit just has to trigger. What's written down, He has to then trigger and then get me to move and then get me to open and get me to read and get me to like, like there are so many more steps for the Spirit to convict me of in order to then try and bring out that promise back to memory.
Kristen Wambach (30:48.941)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (31:04.687)
...versus anything that's in here, the scripture can now bring back. Anything that will trigger that thought. And I learned to put flags or markers on when to trigger the thought that seeks the guidance of scripture. And this is that mindset when Paul is saying pray constantly. He's not saying sit on your knees or be on your knees all day, never leave that space. He's saying be in a mindset, a meditative mindset that is constantly engaging. Weighing the choices you're making between what your understanding is, between what the world is telling you, and between what God's Word says. And as you're doing that, now you're having this communion with the two, now you're in this meditative prayerful mindset, and now you are living in a prayer mindset. Always. So, this is the point, and I love that you brought up, like learning to see the spiritual world isn't something that I would suggest for most people. But if God reveals it to you, it's because He's teaching you how to keep your eye on Him. And the more you keep your eye on Him, you don't have anything to fear. Peter walked on water until he'd look away from Christ. So that's the premise is that it's like most people are afraid of the spiritual world. You don't have to be afraid of it, but you don't need to go looking for it. So long as your eye is on Christ, God will reveal what you need to know and what you need to see.
Kristen Wambach (32:29.400)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (32:30.617)
And for some of us that may be, you know, hey, this person here needs help. For others, it'll be, hey, I can see something here that's like, this is just telling me go this way. Like there's something here that the spirit is telling me I need to do this. And for others, it's like, I feel like blind luck. Like I just happened to do this thing and it worked out. And it's like, that's fine either way. What matters is that in all of those situations, each person has their internal mind set on Christ.
Kristen Wambach (32:59.117)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (32:59.449)
And they're constantly looking and checking in and saying, where is this in relation to Him? Where is this thought in relation to God? And this is the premise I try and teach this with is what I call a Kingdom First Mindset. So here's a brief exercise. And this ties into a skill set, is presence of mind. Now, presence of mind just means the ability to examine your own thoughts while you're going through them. So it's like, if I'm feeling an emotion and I'm feeling angry, and I'm thinking about why am I feeling angry? That is the exercise of presence of mind. So we'll do a little exercise that does presence of mind. So do you remember a time where you got hurt as a child? Okay. Do you remember maybe it was something you did? Do you remember how much it hurt?
Kristen Wambach (33:31.950)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (33:38.434)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (33:44.846)
Hmm.
Jai Roza (33:45.655)
No. Okay. So see that right there is already telling you that it's like, I know I went through pain, but the pain is right now. It's not there. Like you're, you're aware of it. It existed, but you're not in that space where it exists anymore. Are you going through struggles today on any level? Sure.
Kristen Wambach (34:04.280)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (34:05.955)
All of us are. We all have pains. We all have... I wake up in the morning and I was like, my back is not moving the way it used to. Like, there is always something that's going on right now that it's like, this is uncomfortable. Do you think you tomorrow will still worry about the problems you have today? Probably not. Let's go further. A year from now, even less. Ten years from now? Definitely. Probably forgotten whatever it was. Like, you forgot what that pain felt like as a child. It's like, you're not even gonna remember what the pains of today were like.
Kristen Wambach (34:21.154)
Mm-mm.
Jai Roza (34:35.409)
What about 20 years, 30 years, 50 years, whatever it is, what about you on your last day of life? What does you on your last day of life have to say about the struggles you're going through today? They don't care. They are facing a problem that is bigger than anything else they've had to face. Now, what would they give up to be back where you are today? Everything. Because they would give them opportunity to do it again, or to learn or to do something better. Now this, if you're in the world, this is where your presence of mind ends. You can always look at your life from the day, from you on your last day of life and be like, well, there is no, whatever I'm facing today is not as bad as what I will face on my last day of life. And you'll get some benefit out of that. But that's as far as you go. Now to the believer who has the hope and promise of going into eternity to spend it with Christ. They get to see themselves now. You're standing before the throne of God. You have gone through translation. Sin is no more. Death is no more. Suffering is no more. You're walking on streets of gold and you're standing with a congregation of billions who are looking up into the face of the one person who made it possible for us to be there. Now what does that person have to say about your struggles today? Who cares? But not because they're facing a new set of problems, but because they're like, look at where I am. Look at who we're with. Look at the face of the one that we have been looking for all these years. And now I get to see it face to face. Now this is what I say, this is a Kingdom First mindset. When you can go through today's problems from that person's perspective, from your Kingdom Person perspective, all of a sudden you're like, why am I worried about this job? Why am I worried about this thing? Why am I worried about how this one situation works out? No, I got injured today. Well, like I'm already mentally existing in eternity with my father in heaven.
Kristen Wambach (36:28.526)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (36:54.127)
And what I forget, it was like a quote that I heard somewhere and I've kind of adapted it to my own saying, but it's that all of us enter into eternity one way or another, some sooner than others, either because we die or because we begin to live today as if we're already living in eternity. So you'll look back on today as the day you started living your life, your eternal life. And that's part of what having a kingdom first mindset is. That's presence of mind to be able to examine this moment from a perspective beyond the reach of whatever struggle I'm going through. And only the believer can do that from the kingdom where there is no more sin or no more pain or no more suffering anymore. So it's not that I'm not experiencing the pain, but it's that now this cognitive energy, this mental thought process is examining it from a perspective that in my mind already exists. I'm already there. And that's where we can begin to practically practice and exercise that freedom of choice, that exercise of will, to see that, to engage in that. And that is a God-given ability because animals can't do that. They can't see their lives from a different perspective. But humans can.
Kristen Wambach (38:09.472)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (38:28.234)
Okay I'm just I'm just I'm just doing some thinking here, which is which is good Which is good to do thing it and I absolutely love the way you put that that's excellent Excellent. Yes excellent. I loved how you broke down the presence of mind You strategically broke that down in a very applicable way is wonderful
Jai Roza (38:29.201)
Hahaha
Kristen Wambach (38:59.096)
That's what I've been paying attention to, your different kind of application and strategy. Went, this is fun. This is different. Yay. Yay. So, Jai, how can our listeners connect with you and your creative resources?
Jai Roza (39:18.693)
You can find us at edensconflict.com. That's the main website where we host everything on there.
Kristen Wambach (39:24.442)
You said that kind of quick. That's Eden's conflict.
Jai Roza (39:27.089)
Eden's Conflict, Eden with an S, conflict.com. And we also have social media. So Instagram is Eden's Conflict. I have X and LinkedIn for Jai Rosa. I have an Instagram as well for my name, but I don't post very much on there and it's very experimental. So you can follow me there if you want to message me or reach out. But that is a very experimenting with different concepts or expressing things.
Kristen Wambach (39:38.798)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (39:56.997)
That's also where I like to post parts of the clips of the podcast that go on. Yeah, either Eden's conflicts on Instagram or on the website or myself through LinkedIn or X or Instagram as well.
Kristen Wambach (39:57.058)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (40:12.702)
And you do music and do gaming too?
Jai Roza (40:18.999)
Yeah, so we're working on, we have the physical card game, which is our flagship product. I spent seven years developing that. And then now we're making music and we're using, now some people hate it, love it. We use AI for our music, because I'm not a musician. I write the lyrics and I was doing poetry before, long before this. So a lot of the songs I pull out of my poetry and, or I'll come up with something and I want to write a song around it.
Kristen Wambach (40:22.860)
Yes.
Jai Roza (40:44.719)
But the goal of it is to make a tool, right? Like everything is a tool. The game is a tool. The music is a tool. The shirts we make are tools. And the goal is to create flags, reminders of the word of God. So for us, it's like, if you're learning the game, you're playing the game, you're reciting scripture, good, that's one way to learn scripture. In the music, we write the chorus first, and we take it from scripture.
Kristen Wambach (40:49.550)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (41:07.950)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (41:10.011)
So we either put the direct scripture verse into the chorus and write the song around that, or we adapt it a little bit to really hone in on the message of the verse. Because sometimes they don't always fit lyrically. So we write that in and the idea is that everybody remembers the chorus of a song. So if you're remembering the chorus of the song and we make the chorus scripture, then what are you learning? You're learning scripture. And so now you're passively reminding scripture. And I've literally had moments where I felt tempted...
Kristen Wambach (41:20.270)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (41:25.955)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (41:34.094)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (41:39.441)
...or I've known that I'm doing something that I shouldn't, and a song will start playing at the back of my head, and it's the chorus of the song that is directly counteracting, directly calling out what I'm doing in the moment. And so it's like to us, it's like, okay, how can we create resources and tools for people? I joke about it and I say, if this is spiritual warfare, my goal is to become a spiritual arms dealer. Like I am just constantly making weaponry that others can like utilize and apply and...
Kristen Wambach (41:44.492)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (42:08.547)
...and equip themselves to be proactive in their faith rather than reactive. Because when your mind is focused and Christ is saying meditate on me, think on me, focus on me, it's like the enemy can't touch you there. Not that he can't hurt you, not that he can't hit you, but he can't touch you in the way that we saw Stephen get stoned. And he's talking about how he's able to see the spiritual world, see God standing by his throne. And so it's like...
Kristen Wambach (42:21.932)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (42:36.398)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (42:37.829)
That's the mindset that we want. And then it says God put him to sleep. It doesn't say they killed him. It says God put him to rest. So when your mind is so focused on God, you are able to have those experiences where even if you've ever read the book Fox's Book of Martyrs, it talks about the martyrs who were killed during the Christian persecutions in the dark ages. And they were singing hymns while burning at the flame. And it's like, where do you get that mindset?
Kristen Wambach (42:42.286)
Mm.
Jai Roza (43:07.665)
That's not you. Like that is a divine imposed mindset. And this is why I love what Christ says in John 17, where he's like praying to the Father and he's like, let them be in me as I am in you. Like, let us be one. The invitation that God is having is not just an invitation, hey, come up to heaven. We've got the angels, we've got, you know, fields of fruit and we've got all of these benefits. He's saying, come up into the personal intimate mental space between the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Like you will see us in our unabridged, unhidden form as you learn to focus your attention on us in a way that even the angels can't see. Not because they don't see him face to face, but they don't know what it's like to see him from the perspective of a sinner. And that is a uniquely, that is a unique human experience because...
Kristen Wambach (43:47.406)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (44:04.133)
We're getting to see God from the perspective of one who doesn't deserve to see Him out.
Kristen Wambach (44:11.926)
I love it. That's great. Great. Would you lead us as we wrap up here and you've given us so much creative thought in our heads and we just want to stir it in our hearts today and lead the listeners with an activation, a way to immediately step into some of the things that you just discussed, would you do that for us?
Jai Roza (44:46.917)
Yeah, I would say to those who are listening and you're thinking like, I'm uncertain of where to begin. Begin to make a choice to follow God wherever you are. And if you don't know how to do that, but you understand that you have to somehow interact with this thing we call will, this force of will, this desire of choice of the heart. And you're like, I don't even know how to surrender this to God because I know that I can say it, but I also feel myself still desiring the things of this world. Then come to God with this. I'm willing to be made willing. Like become the father who went to Christ and said, if you can do anything, and Christ is like, if you believe, he says, help my unbelief. Like give God the very thing that you know is directly resisting him and let him do with it as he wills. In a way where you're like, I genuinely surrender this to you. Like you can't honor God with your sin, but you can honor God in your sin by choosing to repent. Pre-sin, during sin, after sin, it doesn't matter where you are, the direction to God is always up. And so what I tell people, and I stole this from Jordan Peterson, is what is the highest level of good that you can envision and make that your goal? And when you fall short, aim upwards for God. Because however high you think you can go...
Kristen Wambach (45:59.085)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (46:25.499)
...God's standard is so much higher. And that's where he says, will be the one to bring you up. When Peter took his eyes off of Christ, he began to sink. But when he called out to Christ, Christ immediately grabbed his hand and pulled him up. So don't be afraid to be honest with God about who you are in your complete unworthiness of wherever you are.
Kristen Wambach (46:35.758)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (46:52.077)
...or whatever minor thing you think, this isn't necessary for God's attention. Give it up to Him first, then not worry yourself with it. Because He wants an invitation to come into your life. He wants the invitation to come into your heart. He wants it into your eyes. He wants it into your family. He wants it into your work. He wants it into everything. But you have to learn to be able to captivate and Scripture tells us, take every mind into captivity. You have to be able to captivate an idea and then give that idea over to Him and say, God, here, this is yours. I'm inviting you into it. I'm inviting you to take it from me. I'm inviting you to do this. And when I rebel, I'm going to invite you again. For years, I was unrepentant. And this is what the spirits were telling me after I learned to come to Christ. For years, they told me, you can't fully return to God. You tried to commit the unpardonable sin. Twice. You intentionally sought to cut yourself off on a spiritual level from God forever. So you will always have to struggle. And I believe that for years. But even in those struggles, I made it my purpose that it's like, if I have to struggle, that I'm choosing to return to God. If one day I am burned for my sin, because I was rebellious and unrepentant, that I will have at least have a life where I chose to try aiming upward in spite of all of the times where I went down. And it's like that became my focus and mission. And then God worked with me where I was at on that space. And then He began to lift me up, lift my attention up, lift my eyes up, bring my awareness to things that I was willfully indulging in that I could choose to turn away so that I would allow more of Him and less of me. And that is what the invitation is that God wants to have for you. I'll end on this verse here. The passage in Revelations 22, verse 4, last book of the Bible says, shall see his face and his name shall be on their foreheads. The forehead is the place right here, frontal lobe is my place of choice and power of choice. When I choose to make Christ my vision, my sight, my fort, like everything I'm aiming for is, is this in alignment, it's aiming for Christ? Then I will begin to have his name on my mind. And that is where he is now working in me. It's no longer me.
Jai Roza (49:18.031)
It's him in me. I am a dyslexic, post addict, ADHD, hardcore introvert who is building a company around teaching others about the power of God's word. And I'm like, this is not me. I would have nothing to do with this like motivation or direction. I shouldn't even be alive. But this is God. And you have nothing to fear from the future except that you forget how God has led you in the past. So make it your mission. Remember God. Look at him wherever you can and he will be the one to transform your life. And stop worrying about what you can and can't do. And I know I said I'll end on this. I will end on this exact thought. Because I like to bring it back to gaming. I'm a gamer at heart. I still play a lot of games. And I talk to young people and like think of it in this way. In a video game, you usually have a tutorial where you're learning, right?
Kristen Wambach (50:01.709)
Ha!
Jai Roza (50:16.310)
The first level is like, you're meant to learn. Learn how to play the game. And I tell people, do you get angry in the tutorial? Do you give up on a game because you messed up in the tutorial? They're like, well, no, that'd be silly. Like the tutorial is for you to learn how to actually play the game. And a lot of us will look at life and be like, I've messed up too much in life that God can't help me here. Or I don't know, he'll never be able to reach me where I'm at. Until we enter into eternity, we haven't even begun to live. So the idea that you've messed up life means you're still in the tutorial. So rather than worrying about life, start looking at this life. If you're still here, you're listening to this, you're in the tutorial of eternity. Learn to play the tutorial. And when you mess up, get up and do it again. Because it's a tutorial. You're here to learn so that you can know how to live for eternity. But you're not in eternity yet. But you can master the principles, the rules, the lessons before the game even begins. So that when the actual eternity starts, when we've gone through translation and we're now physically caught up to our mental state in the kingdom, now we're actually playing the game and you're ready to go with an advantage where other people are showing up and be like, this is where we're at?
Kristen Wambach (51:49.025)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (51:52.145)
Okay, now I'm
Kristen Wambach (51:53.783)
I'm sure. Are you sure preachers always have second and third closing, right?
Jai Roza (52:02.441)
I'm a laity, I'm not a preacher, so no excuses for why other laity can't be doing stuff.
Kristen Wambach (52:07.342)
There were a couple of labels in there that I might sit down and say I Don't think I gave you that and that would be one of...
Jai Roza (52:18.427)
The tutorial or the preacher?
Kristen Wambach (52:20.814)
...when you refer to yourself in laity.
Jai Roza (52:23.957)
Laity. I'm technically laity. I'm verbally whatever God makes me.
Kristen Wambach (52:26.508)
Yeah. Yeah.
Kristen Wambach (52:33.006)
You're in the process of remembering who you are.
Jai Roza (52:40.815)
And it's all who he is. It's learning to see him and remember him.
Kristen Wambach (52:42.190)
Yes, yay. Thank you so much for sharing your passion with us.
Jai Roza (52:52.379)
Thank you. Thank you for having me on. I know this will go places that even you and I can't imagine.
Kristen Wambach (52:56.942)
God is good that way. He is so good. So thank you very much for joining us.
Jai Roza (53:01.943)
Amen. Amen. Kristen, thank you for having me on.

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THE POWER OF ACTIVE CHOICE.

What is so captivating about Jai's approach is how it demystifies the supernatural. Often, we get tangled in religious striving, trying to earn our way out of a struggle. But as we see through Jai's life, God simply wants our invitation. When we operate from a place of Sonship, we realize that scripture gives us choices. From the very beginning, when Adam was tasked with naming the animals—a process of taxonomy and exercising his will—humanity was designed to creatively partner with God. We are meant to look at the situations in our lives, classify them, and intentionally choose to invite the Lord into those spaces.

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Jai is the creative mind behind the Eden’s Conflict card game and the founder of Eden’s Conflict LLC. Originally started as a side project in the fall of 2016, Eden’s Conflict has evolved into his full-time work. With the mission to inspire a generation to take charge of their lives through creativity, skills and abilities provided in God’s word.

Eden’s Conflict extends beyond pure entertainment; it aims to revolutionize the way people engage with scripture. This includes innovative teaching tools such as games, music, practical lessons, and more. Jai continues to seek new and compelling ways to make discovering scripture accessible and engaging. “I hope inspire others to have their own transformative journey. There are two truths I’ve learned since starting down this path. Happiness is a choice, not a feeling, and only those who choose love can find happiness.

PRACTICING QUANTUM THINKING.

This episode provides a practical path with raw stories, prayer, and simple activations. It gently dismantles the lies of the enemy, who desperately wants you to forget that you have a choice. The enemy uses distraction, shame, and past scars to make you feel helpless. But when you physically hold onto the promises of God—whether through reading the Word, listening to scripture-infused music, or engaging in a creative tool like Eden's Conflict—you are practicing quantum thinking. You are actively pulling heavenly realities into your present moment.

A kingdom FIRST MINDSET.

One of the most striking revelations from our conversation is the concept of a kingdom-first mindset. Jai breaks down the idea of "presence of mind" in a way that shifts everything. When you are facing a struggle today, imagine looking back at it from your last day on earth. The perspective changes. Now, take it a step further. Imagine standing in eternity, free from pain and sin, looking at the face of Jesus. From that kingdom perspective, today's trials lose their grip. You begin to live your eternal life right now.

EMBRACING THE TUTORIAL.

Jai leaves us with a brilliant analogy: life is simply the tutorial for eternity. In a video game, you do not get angry and quit during the tutorial when you make a mistake. The tutorial is designed for you to learn the mechanics, exercise your choices, and prepare for the real game. We are here to master the principles of love, forgiveness, and Oneness with Jesus. When you mess up, you just get up and try again, knowing that the grace of God covers the learning curve.
God is everything we allow Him to be. He is waiting for you to captivate your thoughts and hand them over to Him. You do not need to have it all together to start. Give God the very thing you know is resisting Him, and watch how He course-corrects your destiny. Your life is not defined by the moments you stumbled in the tutorial; it is defined by the incredible eternity you are preparing for.

COACHING CHURCH ACTIVATIONS

CHAPTER PRESENCE OF MIND
The Mirror Word translation powerfully illuminates Romans 8:2: "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. A law is always the extension of a government. The implementation of a law is directly related to the effectiveness or authority of the government guarding over it." We often get trapped in the immediate pain of our circumstances, forgetting that the superior government of the Spirit has already set us free. This activation is designed to shift your perspective and establish your Oneness with Jesus right now.

Identify the Struggle: Think of one specific situation causing you anxiety or frustration today.
Shift the Timeline: Close your eyes and mentally fast-forward. Imagine yourself standing in eternity, completely free of sin and pain, looking directly into the face of Jesus.
Re-evaluate: From that kingdom's perspective, looking back at today's specific struggle, how does its weight and importance change?
The Outcome: Speak out loud, "I choose to live my eternal life today." Carry that lightness into your next physical decision, operating from a place of rest rather than fighting for victory.

To invite the Lord into our struggles, we must first be willing to accurately name them and recognize that we are simply learning in the "tutorial" of life.

Name the Resistance: What is the specific habit, fear, or lie you feel is currently resisting God's grace in your life? Take a moment to give it a clear, honest name.
Surrender the Will: If you feel unable to overcome it, hand over your inability. Pray simply, "Father, I am willing to be made willing. I invite You into this specific space."
Play the Tutorial: Remind yourself that a mistake is just part of the learning curve. You are not disqualified; you are in training for eternity.
The Outcome: When you stumble this week, instead of partnering with shame, immediately reset. Speak out loud, "This is just the tutorial," and take the very next step forward in grace.

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Wow, what a profoundly stirring conversation with Jai Roza. I absolutely loved how he strategically broke down what it means to have a kingdom-first mindset. Taking the time to look at our current struggles from the perspective of eternity completely shifts how we exercise our choices today. Jai reminded us of something so vital: the enemy wants you to forget that you have a choice. But the Law of the Spirit of Life has set us free to proactively choose God's promises. And that closing analogy is going to stay with me for a long time. Life is just the tutorial for eternity. If you mess up, don't get angry at the tutorial. Just get up, remember who you are, and aim upward again. I highly encourage you to visit edensconflict.com to explore the incredible tools Jai is creating. Thank you so much for joining me today. If this episode blessed you, please subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone who needs a reminder to engage their spiritual senses today. Until next time, stay Spiritually BRAVE, and keep interviewing Jesus in your own life!

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If you are looking for an undeniable, week-one transformation, you are in the right place. My mission is to offer a safe path for your heart, giving you the practical tools and outcome-focused, Monday-morning logic to step into your daily life with absolute clarity, profound peace, and a direct connection to the heart of Jesus.
With 30+ years of ministry and leadership experience, I serve as a spiritual investigative journalist, mystical futurist, and ordained pastor. I have spent over two decades mastering Oneness and connection with God. As a transformation coach, I specialize in simplifying the supernatural and bringing heaven to earth. My focus is always on reverence, hope, and testifying to redemption to advance the kingdom.

As the host of the globally reaching podcast, INTERVIEWING JESUS. , I facilitate soul-stirring conversations that provide exclusive access to divine wisdom meant to rewrite your life and awaken your God-inspired calling.

In my upcoming book, HOW GOOD IS GOD. , you will not find heavy theological arguments. Instead, you will find a practical path with raw stories, prayer, and simple activations designed to help you live spiritually brave.

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We are God's kids with big dreams, committed hearts, and a world of distractions to overcome, but He is always our rear guard to advance the kingdom safely." - Kristen Wambach

"There is no panic in Heaven! God has no problems, only plans." - Corrie ten Boom

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EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS:

The Reality of Overwhelm: Navigating the heavy to-do lists, daily distractions, and the spotlight of shame that tries to entangle our calling.
Nothing Can Separate Us: A deep dive into Romans 8:38-39 and the unshakeable truth of God's love.

The Out-Loud Dismissal: A practical activation to shut down the buzzing of the enemy and create a pocket of peace in your mind.
Your Divine Rear Guard: Understanding the tactical, military reality of Isaiah 52:12 and how Heaven completely secures your blind spots.
Stepping Into Oneness: Releasing the pressure to fight in your own strength and resting in the active, breathing presence of God.

SECURING YOUR BLIND SPOTS IN THE MIDST OF THE NOISE
Are you pressing through a crazy week, juggling endless to-do lists, and feeling the heavy weight of distraction? You are not alone. In this incredibly raw, unscripted episode of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, we are letting our hair down to have a real conversation about the overwhelming seasons of life. When the noise gets too loud and the spotlight of shame tries to tell you that you are unworthy of your big dreams, it is time to remember exactly who is backing you up.
As a spiritual investigative journalist and an ordained pastor for over 30 years, my heart is to provide a safe path for you to experience Heaven's reality today. In this episode, we dive deep into the beautiful truth of Romans 8 and the tactical promise of Isaiah 52:12. God is not just leading you; He is literally your rear guard. He completely secures your blind spots. Together, we will discover how to verbally dismiss the enemy, step fully into the Oneness of God, and put on your kingdom Superman cape.

SUMMARY

Discover a practical path to secure your blind spots and silence the noise of distraction in this raw, unscripted episode of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast. When big dreams collide with the overwhelming to-do lists of daily life, it is easy to feel frazzled and bogged down by the spotlight of shame. Drawing from over 30 years of experience as an ordained pastor and spiritual investigative journalist, Kristen Wambach shares how to step into a Monday-morning reality of peace. Learn how to verbally dismiss the enemy out loud, embrace the Oneness of God, and apply the tactical promise of Isaiah 52:12—that God is your rear guard. Tune in for raw stories, prayer, and simple activations that will help you put on your Superman cape, push past self-imposed limits, and trust that Heaven has your back, your forward, and your absolute best interest at hand.

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SECURING YOUR BLIND SPOTS
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As a spiritual investigative journalist, an author, and an ordained pastor for over 30 years, my goal is to document the raw truth of what it looks like to walk closely with God. I want to take the profound mysteries of Heaven and translate them into a Monday-morning reality for you. Let me be completely honest: this week has been incredibly frazzling. As I prepare to publish my new book, How Good is God?, the sheer volume of tasks has felt overwhelming.

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00:00 Connecting Through Distractions | Practical Spirituality
06:55 Finding Purpose Amidst the Noise | Hearing God's Voice
12:59 Overcoming Shame and Rejection | Healing and Transformation
18:32 God's Support and Protection | Biblical Insights
24:00 Sharing the Love of God | Bridging Heaven and Earth
29:57 Blessings and Encouragement | Christian Spiritual Growth
30:51 Interviewing Jesus Podcast Intro

FULL EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Kristen Wambach
Hello family and welcome. Yay. I am so delighted that You are here. Let me give You a precursor for today's episode. It is off the cuff. I'm pressing through a crazy week, a crazy month. And I just wanted to sit down and chat with You and talk with You and You talk with me so that we can get to that important destination that lives in our hearts. Amen. Let me just shore that up a little bit. No script here. Just trying.
Kristen Wambach
Connecting. That's the word I want. Connecting. I need You. You need me. Connecting in His oneness. Amen. Let me share scripture with You. This is going to sew us up and connect us together today. Neither death nor life or angels or principalities nor powers nor things present nor things to come nor height nor depth nor any other creature Shall be able to separate us from the love of God not even ourself Amen, that's Romans 8 38 through 39. Today we're going to discuss being driven by our dreams. Yet sometimes the world and life, there's just this distraction and rejections. And You go, help me Jesus, right? Well, I'm in that spot today. Help me Jesus. And that's what I bring to the microphone today. I bring it to You. I need prayer. You need prayer. We desperately need to feel the tangible love of the Father cheering us on. Amen. Let me kind of wrap up where I'm at, where I'm at. How did I get to this place today to talk to You? And no, I don't think that were...
Kristen Wambach
I don't think that there are differences in our life per se. There's similarities of distractions of things going on that You and I share. Y'all know that I am in the process of publishing my second book. How good is God? And, and, my gosh, it's so much work. And I'm pressing through to, April 1st deadline to hit that publish button, to be able to share it with You. And, at times it can be terribly frazzling and overwhelming and I just needed to lay that on the table and talk to You today. Can we do that? Can we just not have an agenda and talk today? Amen. Let's invite Holy Spirit here. You pray for me. I pray for You. Put our hands together in the oneness, one faith, one body in Christ and just exalt who He is amen. Father God I thank You for the bandwaves of your goodness that just reaches around the entire world takes this satellite communication to touch each and every one of our hearts today the listener my family of listeners. Right into my heart. We just need to be encouraged today and we just lay down our stuff and we submit ourselves to say, Father here we are. We're spending these valuable moments focused on You Amen. Cause remember neither death, no life, nothing. Have You ever thought about that? Nothing can separate us from the love of God.
Kristen Wambach
But today we're going to talk about some of the distractions that certainly attempt to try, right? As a spiritual investigative journalist, that means I write down what I experienced and what I feel. And this is the raw truth. There's that empowers You and I to put on a Superman cape today to experience His dominion in heaven and on earth. And we sit right next to Him and squeeze right between Jesus and the Father. And we just share that intimacy, share that dominion, figure out those keys, turn the keys and open the door, right? And refuse to let the noise stop the calling that's in your heart, the calling that's in my heart to keep on moving and pressing it. Let's highlight. I have a few notes highlighted here. Finding purpose amidst the noise of distraction. And there's a few of them that are distracting or attempting to distract us, right? It's easy to feel inadequate or distracted by people, the environment around us are to-do lists. And here we are, we're parents juggling our schedule to nurture, love and support our kids. I remember when my boys were young and we had four different little league baseball teams that we had to be there and support. How did we ever get through that? I understand. Many of us are entrepreneurs. We're our own boss and we're pressing through the days that we wish...
Kristen Wambach
Hey, don't I have a little sick leave here, a little sick time? Can I take a day off? Do You hear me? And we're spouses, right? Yeah. Wives, we're needing that special hug that says that You see me and I feel safe, right? And His husband's... They need our pom-poms, ladies. We need to cheer and we need to affirm their manliness. Amen. We are God's kids with big dreams, committed hearts with a world of distractions to overcome. My new book. I'm so excited to share a portion of it with You today. How good is God? I'm ticking the boxes for that release date on April 1st. Help me Jesus. Okay. Breathe in, breathe out. Do it again. Breathe in and breathe out. I know that I'm not alone in this. We all have big projects. We all have big dreams, all have big desires. Some of us might just be starting to walk into that and others could be like where I am in this season and we're just ticking the boxes and finishing all the dust jackets and book covers and drafts and PDFs and editing. We're just finishing it up. But God is right there with us. Amen. Now some of the things that I have noticed in this particular season, how to protect your dream from the spotlight of shame. I've been listening to some of the things that have been going on around me and the flavor...
Kristen Wambach
of the distractions that are presenting themselves. One of my favorite ladies, Brene Brown, defines shame as the intensely painful feeling or experience of believing that we are flawed and therefore unworthy of love, unworthy of our dream and belonging to something that we've experienced, done or failed to do makes us unworthy of connection.
Kristen Wambach
Well, that just is not true, but there is a tangible feeling sometimes that we can feel in our heart. Amen. We can, we can feel it in our heart and sometimes it feels difficult to separate it in our lives. Sometimes shame can feel like a fishing net, a fishing net in the mouths of others. Have You experienced that? Bullies push their own fears and unresolved unworthiness. It just, it just seems to vomit right out of their mouth and it tries to catch us in the net. Where overwhelm and disconnect can compromise the core values of our loved ones. What do You do when they are being challenged their own core values are being challenged and that's the place that they're talking from. How do we protect ourselves, lay healthy boundaries and keep focused and keep moving forward and feel ever so close in the oneness with Him? Number one, talk to God. Every moment through every feeling, just like this episode, talking to God in talking to You.
Kristen Wambach
letting it out, having the conversation that God is so much a part of. We can't just hold up the pretty white fence of promise. If a offense is circling like a buzzard in our thoughts, we have to deal with it. We have to talk to Him about it. We have to put our finger right on the thing and say, God, this feels like crap. It doesn't feel good. And I need to talk to You about this. And He's always there to support us. We give it to God. We release it into His charge. We have a conversation with Him and we allow ourselves to feel in His presence because when we allow ourselves to feel in His presence then it doesn't seem to bubble over into others like in the home and in our relationships because we don't want all those feelings to bubble over to our spouses. Amen. And my husband say, thank You very much for saying that. And it's not always so easy. We give it to God, we release it, we take communion with Him and we trade it. Let me ask You this. When was the last time that You told the enemy You are dismissed? There You are. You're dismissed. And what's really true about this statement is I usually say this when I'm in the bathroom standing in front of the mirror and my head is going off on...
Kristen Wambach
What was said here and my to-do list. So I'm trying to balance those things and, how shut my mind and all of a sudden I'll go, I'll go devil. You are dismissed by, and it just works. It just, it goes away. It shuts Him up. And all of sudden I find this peace in this quiet in my brain. And then that allows me to re-queue. God. Your goodness has my back. And what do I mean by having my back? I feel His support. I know His support. I'm aware of His support. In Isaiah 52 12, it says, but You will not leave in haste or go and fight for the Lord will go before You. The Lord God of Israel will be your rear guard. I need to feel Him. As our rear guard, looking at this as a spiritual investigative journalist, I'm looking at it. I'm tangibly touching it, feeling it, writing it down. God is speaking to You and I all day long. For Him to be our rear guard, literally means He's a tactical military position of protecting and advancing armies back. You and I were going forward and He is protecting our back. God doesn't just clear the path ahead. He completely secures our blind spots.
Kristen Wambach
can we just think on that for a minute here? He completely secures our blind spots. In Isaiah 58, eight, says, then your light will break forth like the dawn and your healing will quickly appear. Then your righteousness will go before You and the glory of the Lord will be your rear guard. Think on that. The glory of the Lord right behind us. Maybe it's the chair we're sitting in. Maybe it's the seat. If You're driving down the road, hanging onto the wheel, it's your seat. Imagine the glory of the Lord behind You. Deuteronomy 31, 8, the Lord himself goes before You and will be with You. He will never leave You, no forsake You. Do not be afraid. Do not be discouraged. And then this season, if discouragement tries to duke it out with me, and sometimes, yeah, sometimes we put boxing gloves and attempt to duke back. We attempt to strike back. But if we just quiet ourselves and realize that it goes before us, behind us, He's inside of us. He's on the right. He's on the left. He's everywhere.
Kristen Wambach
today declare with me, I believe God has my back, my forward and my best interest at hand. Let's say that together. I believe God has my back, my forward, my best interest at hand. One more time. I believe God has my back, my forward and my best interest at hand. We are putting on our Superman cape amen true revelation climbs across boundaries and pushes us past our Self-imposed limits limits. I mean sometimes we allow the noise Sometimes we allow noise to press in on us instead of saying to ourselves God You have my back You have my forward You have my best interest at hand. God You have my back, You have my forward, You have my best interest at hand.
Kristen Wambach
to overcome these hurdles of distractions. Sometimes they're rejections. We have to be willing to put our Superman cape on. Step into the reality that Kings rule kingdoms. Amen. Recognize that You and I are transformed self because of Jesus Christ's gift to us. The gift to us it keeps us driving and moving forward because our spirit is without borders or boundaries think on that our spirit our spirit within His spirit You You can't separate it out it's not like a pie God the Father God the son God the holy spirit than us no there's not four sections of the pie You cannot Cut out portions and say, this is You and this is me and this is Him. No, we're in Oneness.
Kristen Wambach
And so we recognize in that oneness, sometimes it's just saying, help God. I need You to quiet my brain. Help God. I need to feel You supporting my back in this particular situation. In this conversation with a coworker, I need You to go before me, God, and let me see your light shine in this situation with my family. God, I need to feel your tangible strength when this diagnosis is just shaking me in my boots. Let's change out our boots and stand in His goodness. Amen. As an ordained pastor for over 30 years, a transformation coach who has spent decades teaching others to engage the spiritual realm. My heart, that is my heart with interviewing Jesus podcasts to bridge the gap between heaven and earth. And sometimes our journeys and the distractions can feel like rejection, but it's never a dead end. It's an invitation to expand our expectations of His goodness. Amen. We ask ourselves, God, how good are You in this situation?
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and then get quiet and allow Him to share with You just how good He is. Amen.
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It helps to talk. It helps to feel heard. It helps to hear.
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And that's what we're doing today. You and I are talking. I'm talking to encourage me to continue to press through, to rest and believe in the dreams that He's placed in my heart, in all those hundred thousand words written down to communicate the goodness of God to You, to me, to my husband, to my friends, to my family, to the world. He placed himself on the inside of You and I.
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I have a gift for You. My new book. Yes, I'm talking about my new book here. I'm asking for your help and your pom poms to help cheer me through, right? How good is God beyond the gates of hell to truly experience heaven? One of the most important and empowering keys for our own personal overcoming. And some of us, might just be just getting through today. A powerful key to encourage, to reach across the lines of distraction and divide and share the love of God is to share, is to give, is to believe the value that God has placed in your life, placed in my life. And share it. Amen. To share it.
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My goal is to make sure heaven's wisdom doesn't just stay in your headphones. But actually transforms from your Monday morning to your Friday morning to your Sunday afternoon. Those realities. I know many of You are listening from behind the wheel right now. Please keep your hands on the wheel, but I don't want You to miss out on a practical path with raw stories, prayers, and simple activations. This gift I've put together for this particular episode where we feel the tangible connection of oneness as we walk together. So let's use technology right now that's in front of us to advance the kingdom, but we want to do it safely. If You're driving or vacuuming, right? Just say out loud right now, Hey Siri or Hey Google, remind me at 6pm to go to KristenWambach.com / gift. That's it. I'll say it again. Hey Siri, hey Google, remind me at 6pm tonight to go to KristenWambach.com / gift. That's it. Let your phone do the work. And when You're safely parked tonight, when You've arrived in your driveway after a long day at work, that reminder will pop up and You can grab...
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your free gift. Amen. Yes. I thought about that today. I thought about all the different ways that You and I are listening to podcasts and gaining that continuing forward motion. Amen. Back to our conversation. Neither death nor life, nor angels or principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature shall be able to separate us from the love of God. Not even ourselves, not even our busy brains. Nope. Nothing can separate us from the goodness of God and the love of God. Amen. So today I invite You to put on that Superman cape. I got my Superman cape on it and sat down. I said, I got to talk to my podcast family because I needed prayer. I needed encouragement. I needed that feeling tangible God walking behind You and I pressing us to the mark of the high calling of who each one of us are. You're calling my calling!
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And I feel that today and I thank You for that today. And I respond to You today with that gift to solidify our connection and our communion in Him. Amen.
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Thank You so much for allowing us to hang out, to let our hair down today, to just have a conversation that You and I just, we needed to connect to support one another. I needed You to hear my to-do list. I needed to hear the things that You are pressing through on. And we needed to validate that You and I are both spending this time together to know Him, to hear Him, to feel Him, to be encouraged by Him, to be loved. In a huge way. In a little way. But that He brought us together for this moment so that His love could move beyond borders and boundaries, move beyond the distraction. I know some of You still got to go make dinner and what is dinner? Grilled cheese sandwiches always work good for me or pancakes. I know.
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Just invite Him in to cook in those grilled cheese sandwiches. Invite Him right there at making the pancakes. Invite Him in your cup of coffee in the morning on the way to work. Invite Him there.
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and see if He won't open up another window of heaven. They're open, but sometimes we just need a new window, a new breath, a new light to shine deeply inside of us. Hey, I look forward to You opening your gift and I pray that the love of God just swims over You when You read it. Swims over You, touches You in a way. Oh my goodness, I'm tearing up. Touches You in a way. Took me three years to communicate what God has placed in my heart. And now I get to share this little gift with You. And for me, that feels huge. And it, isn't it amazing that this venue of podcasting would allow us to do that. I bless You. I bless You to press through this day. I bless You to press through this season. I bless You to rest in a season of rest and allowing Him to be our rear guard, allowing Him to walk before us, to sit on our right and sit on our left and bubble up like a living river of goodness from inside of us. Amen.
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Thank You. Talk to You again real soon. Bye now.

God doesn't just clear the path ahead. He completely secures our blind spots." - Kristen Wambach

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Maybe you are in a similar season. You are pressing through a crazy week, juggling your family's schedule, cheering on your spouse, or keeping your head above water as an entrepreneur. The noise of distraction presses in, and your to-do list makes you want to throw your hands up and say, "Help me, Jesus."

Here is the truth: when we are driven by big dreams, the world counters with distractions. But Romans 8:38-39 offers us a foundational anchor. Absolutely nothing can separate us from the love of God. Not even our own busy brains.

Here are the core highlights for finding your footing when the noise gets too loud:

THE REALITY OF OVERWHELM AND SHAME

The Spotlight of Shame: Sometimes shame feels like a fishing net cast from the mouths of others. Bullies push their own unresolved fears and unworthiness, attempting to catch us in overwhelm.
The Power of Connection: This noise compromises our core values and makes us question our calling, but leaning into the Oneness of God immediately breaks that net.

DISMISSING THE ENEMY OUT LOUD

How do we protect ourselves and stay focused on advancing the kingdom? We step into a practical path with raw stories, prayer, and simple activations that actually work.

Get Honest with God: You cannot just hold up a pretty white picket fence of promise while an offense circles like a buzzard in your thoughts. Put your finger right on the thing that hurts and talk to the Father about it.
Use Your Voice: Sometimes, the most spiritual thing you can do is stand in front of your bathroom mirror, look at the exhaustion in your own eyes, and say out loud: "Enemy, you are dismissed." It shuts the noise down and creates a pocket of peace in your brain.

THE REAR GUARD REALITY

This leads us to a profound promise found in Isaiah 52:12: "The Lord will go before you, the God of Israel will be your rear guard."

Tactical Protection: For God to be our rear guard is a tactical, military position. He is protecting the back of an advancing army.
Secured Blind Spots: As you move forward into your calling, Heaven does not just clear the path ahead of you; it completely secures your blind spots. The glory of the Lord is right behind you, tangibly supporting you whether you are sitting at your desk or making grilled cheese sandwiches for dinner.

PUTTING ON YOUR SUPERMAN CAPE

As a transformation coach who has spent over 20 years teaching people to engage with the spiritual realm, my heart is to see you push past self-imposed limits and step into your true identity.

Embrace Your Transformed Self: Step into the reality that kings rule kingdoms. True revelation climbs across boundaries because your spirit is without borders.
Shift Your Expectations: The journey will have hurdles, but every rejection is simply an invitation to expand your expectations of His goodness.

Ask yourself today: God, how good are You in this situation? Then, get quiet. Allow Him to share exactly how good He is. Let His love bubble up like a living river inside of you, bringing you a safe path straight into a week-one outcome of peace.

You have big dreams. You have a committed heart. And God has your back, your forward, and your absolute best interest at hand.

Final Summary

As a spiritual investigative journalist and ordained pastor of over 30 years, my heart is to provide a safe path for you to experience Heaven's reality today. In this unscripted episode, we tackle the overwhelming noise of daily life and the spotlight of shame that attempts to derail your big dreams. By stepping into Romans 8 and Isaiah 52, you will discover the Monday-morning payoff of having God as your literal rear guard. He completely secures your blind spots so you can confidently put on your Superman cape. This conversation offers a practical path with raw stories, prayer, and simple activations to help you verbally dismiss the enemy, experience the tangible Oneness of God, and advance the kingdom without fear.

COACHING CHURCH ACTIVATIONS

The Out-Loud Dismissal. Your week-one outcome is to instantly break the cycle of an overwhelmed mind. The next time your to-do list or an offense begins to circle like a buzzard, step into a quiet space like your bathroom, look yourself in the mirror, and say out loud: "Enemy, you are dismissed." Notice the immediate physical shift and the pocket of peace it creates, allowing Heaven's wisdom to bypass the noise and land directly in your spirit.
The Rear Guard Posture. Your month-one outcome is a permanent shift in how you carry daily stress. When you sit down at your desk or grip the steering wheel of your car, take a deliberate breath and physically lean back into your seat. Acknowledge the tactical reality of Isaiah 52:12 by declaring: "God has my back, my forward, and my best interest at hand." Feel the tension leave your shoulders as you trust that He is actively securing your blind spots.

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Shifting the Frequency of Fear with a "Gratitude Attack" Guest Wendy Bower ❖ 265

2/25/2026

Gratitude is the atmosphere of Heaven, and we are invited to breathe it in here on Earth." — Wendy Bower

SHIFTING THE FREQUENCY OF FEAR WITH A "GRATITUDE ATTACK"

In a world that often feels grey, we are frequently told to "choose joy" as if it were a cognitive chore. But what happens when life is more than just a little difficult? When the diagnosis is dire or the family table has empty chairs due to rejection? In these moments, a simple "attitude adjustment" isn't enough. We need a Gratitude Attack.

EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS

The Scepter and the Staircase: How a prophetic stand of royalty during cancer treatment created a path for others to find victory.
From "Why" to "Wise": Shifting your nickname from the girl who asks "why" to the daughter who walks in wisdom.
The Color Love Language: Discovering how God uses specific hues and patterns to whisper, "I see you."
Overcomer Status: A declaration of health that moves beyond "remission" and into full, vibrant life.

SUMMARY

Fear operates on a heavy, restrictive frequency, but gratitude is a spiritual altitude that changes the very air we breathe. In this episode, host Kristen Wambach sits down with author and "Wise Girl" Wendy Bower to discuss how to move beyond transactional religion and into a vibrant, relational flow with the Father. From the "dark night" of cancer treatments to the pain of being erased by family, Wendy shares a practical path with raw stories, prayer, and simple activations to help you reclaim your royal identity and shift your atmosphere from fear to unforced thanksgiving.

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Episode: Shifting the Frequency of Fear with a "Gratitude Attack"
Host: Kristen Wambach
Guest: Wendy Bower
[00:00.99] Kristen Wambach: Hello and welcome family. Welcome to Interviewing Jesus Podcast. I'm your host, Kristen Wambach. And can we just go off the cuff today? That's what's going to happen with my guest, Wendy Bower, a vibrant author. She's a storyteller who brings a refreshing, fun-loving wisdom to the journey of transformation. And we are totally about transformation. Amen.
[00:29.32] Wendy Bower: Amen. Amen.
[00:29.84] Kristen Wambach: Wendy has walked through the fire of cancer and deep personal loss discovering that gratitude isn't a forced attitude. It's a natural altitude that comes from simply being loved by God. A wonderful quote from her book that I just grabbed and wrapped it around me like a blanket: "Gratitude isn't about trying harder."
[00:47.19] Wendy Bower: Yes.
[00:57.14] Kristen Wambach: "It's about experiencing God's love so deeply that Thanksgiving becomes our natural response." She has a background in communication and a unique color love language with the Father. Wendy is here to help us break free from transactional faith. Maybe turn up your color dial today and step into an unforced rhythm of grace. Welcome to the show, Wendy.
[01:28.29] Wendy Bower: I am just so delighted to be here, Kristen. I know that we are kindred spirits and the Christ in me connecting with the Christ in you is just exciting. It's exciting!
[01:41.61] Kristen Wambach: It is, it is. And I threw a little pun in there with the color wheel because I am a neutral kind of gal here and I have on fuchsia today and my fuchsia turquoise earrings that my son and daughter-in-law gave me. They're actually from Arizona, which is where you're from. So welcome family, just sit back. We're gonna have a really wonderful Holy Spirit-filled, casual talk, and I know that you and I will be increased today. Wendy, you have a question in your heart about the color of His voice. And you mentioned that colors are a specific love language that you share with God. In the middle of your cancer treatments, when the world felt like grey, what specific color did Jesus use to speak hope into your heart?
[02:49.47] Wendy Bower: Well, He was speaking through colors prior to that diagnosis in a time of just deep loss and disillusionment. I was being erased by some family members. My heart was so broken. And I was really struggling to connect with God. I just felt it's that moment where you're like, "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?" And one day I was driving—I teach piano—and I was just crying and pouring out my heart to God. I look over and there's on someone's lawn over two dozen purple irises. And it was like all of a sudden the tears... everything just neutralized. I realized that's my favorite color. It's my favorite flower. That is not a coincidence. God is so detailed. He is speaking all the time, but not always in words. This is where He connected me with, "I see you, Wendy. I know the details that give you joy."
[04:45.57] Kristen Wambach: Mm-hmm.
[05:01.75] Wendy Bower: Every time I saw the color purple, it was like confirmation bias that God is with me. And from there it just grew. Purple is my royal identity, which I stood on before my first chemotherapy treatment. I have a photo where I’m standing holding my scepter up in the air. He was like, "Wendy, this is you. You're going into the dark of night with this cancer treatment." In the spiritual realm, I held it up and I quoted 1 Peter—we are a royal priesthood. That identity was going to take me through a dark night of the soul.
[07:02.09] Kristen Wambach: Thank you.
[07:21.91] Wendy Bower: My body had an adverse reaction to chemotherapy. I ended up in the hospital for a whole week over Christmas during 2020. I was losing my hair, and one day I found a lavender wig. And it was like, "That's it." Because that's my favorite color. It was like, "Daddy, you're so fun that you would give me an opportunity as a grown woman to wear a purple wig and just spread joy." I had fun with my piano students then. I gave them a challenge; they would show up with different wigs or hats and we just ended up having so much fun. I was reminding myself every time I look in the mirror who I am and how much God loves me.
[10:50.64] Wendy Bower: God doesn't use a cookie cutter with anything.
[11:45.13] Kristen Wambach: I agree. You were talking and you described when you were at Disneyland and you said that you had your scepter there. Listeners, pay attention: what I saw in the spirit, I saw that your scepter had turned into a staircase to allow people to walk up your victory. Wendy, would you pray for us now? Would you open up that portal from your scepter, because there's listeners out there that today they need to feel seen by God.
[12:34.42] Wendy Bower: I would be happy to. Father God, I thank you that you not only love, but absolutely cherish and delight in every one of your children. I pray for anyone listening right now that feels forgotten, that feels overlooked. Lord, I pray that you would open the eyes of their hearts to see you smiling so big. May they know in the depths of their soul that you value them highly. They are royalty. May the lies be destroyed and the truth be replaced that they are fearfully and wonderfully made. Amen.
[14:43.40] Kristen Wambach: Amen. Breathe in and breathe out. Imagine breathing in that prayer. We breathe it in like it's a communion. And then when we breathe out, we release that which the prayer came in and took authority over. Anything that was usurped in our body leaves with your breath. Wendy, as someone with a background in communication, how did you "flip that switch" to teach yourself how to intuitively perceive God through the senses?
[17:09.06] Wendy Bower: Well, I didn't teach myself—the Holy Spirit did it. I realized I had lived such a stressful life; my nervous system was wrecked. I needed to get in touch with how my body felt. I sensed Him telling me to go sit by the river. I’d be learning what rest feels like versus striving. I would touch the water and remember scripture: "His voice is like the rushing waters." He wasn't giving me three steps to feeling better; it was just, "This is more of who I am. Let's get to know each other." Now science is affirming what the Bible already says—singing and movement release serotonin.
[23:18.15] Kristen Wambach: I agree. It starts in a place of imagination. If this tree could tell me its stories, what would it tell me? That childlike faith connects with creation.
[24:07.86] Wendy Bower: A sanctified imagination is a gift that so few of us use. We're all up in our heads with Bible knowledge, but when life gets difficult, it’s an opportunity to get the connection between our heart and our head secure. Feeling loved by Him is just the most energizing, wonderful thing.
[26:37.86] Kristen Wambach: Wendy, your book is called Gratitude Attack. Would you describe that spiritual altitude? How does it change the atmosphere when we are waiting for redemption?
[27:43.85] Wendy Bower: The most transformative thing was realizing Ephesians—we are seated in the heavenly realms with Christ Jesus. Today. My spirit is seated with Jesus. When I was substitute teaching, I started practicing an awareness of this. I would walk into that room with my crown on because I'm a daughter of the King. I’m not going to be pulled into a frequency that is not of God. I am bringing heaven to the room.
[33:27.03] Kristen Wambach: It makes you sit up straighter because you don't want the crown to fall off. There's weight in who we are. Now, Wendy, you’ve experienced being erased by family. That is a profound soul pain. How did Jesus meet you in that void?
[35:48.96] Wendy Bower: Being erased is worse than cancer to me. It feels like deep rejection. My go-to question for years was "Why, God?" One day I asked God if He had a nickname for me. Right away I heard "Wise Girl" instead of "Why Girl." He calls us what He created us to be, not what we are today. Wisdom is not getting the question answered; it’s asking for the Father to give you wisdom on how to walk through it. I don’t have an ounce of bitterness now. Bitterness is a state of mind disconnected from God.
[45:23.88] Kristen Wambach: You have a quote: "I fan the flame and I have no doubt God is delighted when gratitude is set ablaze." How do you fan that flame?
[46:12.77] Wendy Bower: I become more present with whatever is bringing in that gratitude. I tune into the details. If I see a sunset, I don't just say "that's nice." I stand there and take it in. It's a fanning of the flame.
[50:41.97] Kristen Wambach: When we speak it out loud, we surround ourselves with that frequency.
[51:28.45] Wendy Bower: Yes! After my cancer treatment, I was depleted. I rebuilt by speaking six pages of declarations every day. I had to speak that I was an overcomer, not a survivor. The same Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead lives in me. That is not a body cancer is going to return to.
[54:42.81] Kristen Wambach: There is the moment. Right there. Wendy, where can our listeners find you and your book?
[55:27.91] Wendy Bower: Go to my website, authorwendybower.com. You can find links to Amazon, Barnes & Noble, and free resources on hearing the voice of God. It's very colorful!
[58:49.76] Kristen Wambach: I love it. I want to share with the listeners, in the blog post will be the transcript. Wendy, thank you so much for sharing yourself with us in such a practical application.
[01:01.06] Wendy Bower: It's all been my honor. I feel like I have a friend that I just made. This has just been so delightful.
[01:01.38] Kristen Wambach: Yes. Thank you so much for spending this time with us today.

The most supernatural thing you can do today is simply enjoy being loved."
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Beyond the Transaction

Most of us have been conditioned to relate to God through transactions: If I do this, He will do that. This mindset keeps us grounded in a frequency of fear and performance. Wendy Bower’s journey through a year of chemotherapy and profound relational loss reveals a different way. She discovered that by focusing on the "unforced rhythms of grace," we can ascend to a spiritual altitude where fear no longer has permission to dictate our reality.

The Payoff: Transformation in the Mundane

The transformation doesn't happen in a vacuum. It happens when we turn up the "color dial" of our lives. Whether it is through a purple wig that represents royal identity or fanning the flame of beauty in a sunset, we are invited to move into a "Payoff-First" logic. By the end of this episode, you will have the tools to stop striving and start seated—recognizing that the same Spirit that raised Jesus from the dead is actively rewriting your DNA today.

COACHING CHURCH ACTIVATIONS

SHIFTING THE FREQUENCY OF FEAR

PART 1: THE COLOR DIAL SCAN
Wendy shared how God used the color purple to remind her of her royal identity during her darkest night. Today, we are going to turn up your "color dial."

Stop and Look: Look around your immediate environment. Is there a specific color that "vibrates" or catches your eye? Don't overthink it.

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2. The Question: Ask Jesus, "Lord, what is the 'color' of Your heart toward me in this moment?"
3. The Connection: If a color comes to mind (even if you aren't wearing it), research its biblical or personal significance to you. Let that color be a "tether" to His presence for the next 24 hours.

PART 2: THE "WISE GIRL/BOY" EXCHANGE

Wendy moved from being the "Why Girl" to the "Wise Girl." Fear often keeps us stuck in the "Why" (Why did this happen? Why me? Why now?).

Identify the 'Why': Write down one "Why" question that has been fueling your anxiety lately.
The Exchange: Imagine handing that "Why" to Jesus. In exchange, ask Him for a "Wise" nickname.
The Declaration: Speak that new name out loud. For example: "I am no longer the 'Why' girl; I am the Father's Wise Daughter."

PART 3: THE SCEPTER ALIGNMENT

The crown and scepter are not just metaphors; they are your spiritual DNA. When you feel the atmosphere of a room (or your own mind) shifting toward fear, use this physical activation:

Physical Posture: Sit up straighter. Imagine the tangible weight of a circular crown on your head.
The Scepter Rise: Mentally or physically raise your hand as if holding a scepter of authority.
The Command: Declare: "I do not align with the frequency of fear in this room. I align with the altitude of Heaven. I am seated with Christ, and I bring His peace into this space."

PRAYER OF ACTIVATION

Father, I thank You that the person reading this is not a survivor of their circumstances, but an overcomer by Your Spirit. I pray that as they breathe in, they would inhale the reality of being seen, known, and cherished. Let the "unforced rhythms of grace" replace the heavy yoke of performance today. May their gratitude become an attack against every lie of the enemy. In Jesus' name, Amen.

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"Thank you so much for spending this time with us today. Our hearts are full knowing that you’ve joined this 'living communion' with Wendy and me. We don’t take your time for granted, and we are so grateful to be part of your journey toward living Spiritually BRAVE."
Call to Action: "If today’s conversation sparked a 'Gratitude Attack' in your own heart, don't let that flame go out. I want to invite you to do two simple things: First, grab your copy of Wendy Bower’s book, Gratitude Attack—it is a beautiful resource for your library. Second, if you found value in this episode, please share it with one friend who needs to be reminded of their royal identity today. Your share helps us bridge the gap between heaven and earth for seekers all over the world."

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The Phishing Scam That Sent Me to the Courts of Heaven: Spiritual Security Upgrades ❖ 263

2/19/2026

Unzip the ceiling, step through the veil, and stand on the floor of heaven." —Kristen Wambach

What do you do when the "noise of the earth" attempts to steal your peace? This week, a sophisticated phishing scam nearly got the best of me. As I sat in the aftermath of changing passwords and shoring up my digital life, the Holy Spirit began to speak a deeper truth about The Seal of Authenticity.

EPISODE TAKEAWAYS

The Digital Wake-Up Call: Why a phishing scam is actually a "Holy Ghost Highlight" alerting you to a breach in your spiritual security.
The Seal of Authenticity: Why you are a bespoke masterpiece and not a mass-produced reprint.

Courtroom Tactics: How to practically place your identity before "Big Papa" in the Courts of Heaven to receive a protective mandate.
Unzipping Heaven: A lifestyle tool to escape the noise of the earth and gain God's perspective.
The Triumph Beyond Dispute: A breakdown of Romans 8:37-39—why no device "yet to be invented" can separate you from His love.
Uprooting Evil: How ridding an accusation in your own life helps rid it for the whole Body of Christ.

As an ordained pastor and experienced spiritual coach with over 40 years in ministry, I’ve learned that heaven is incredibly practical. We often think of spiritual warfare as abstract, but sometimes it sounds like a voice on the other end of a phone line trying to usurp your identity. In this episode, I’m pulling back the veil on how to handle natural threats with supernatural authority.
Drawing from two decades of teaching believers how to engage the heavenly realm, I’ll show you how to unzip the "ceiling" of this world’s noise and stand on the floor of heaven. We explore the Seal of Authenticity—the reality that you are a bespoke creation, hand-signed by the Artist, and your identity is not for sale.
We go deep into the Courts of Heaven, where I share my personal process of placing my "spiritual Social Security number" before a Righteous Father. If you’ve felt accused, threatened, or distracted by the onslaught of the world, this is your invitation to a Spiritual Security Upgrade. Move from "What would Jesus do?" to the authority of "Who does Jesus say that I AM?"

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Episode Summary: The Seal of Authenticity.
In this episode of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, host Kristen Wambach turns a disturbing personal encounter with a phishing scam into a masterclass on spiritual security. After being targeted by sophisticated identity thieves during a moment of distraction and exhaustion, Kristen shares how the Holy Spirit pivoted her focus from natural alarm to supernatural authority.
The heart of the message explores The Seal of Authenticity—the truth that every believer is a "bespoke creation" hand-signed by God. Kristen explains that mass production has no soul, but the "fingerprint of God" on our lives is the only ID we truly need. She demonstrates how to "unzip the ceiling" of earthly noise and step into the Courts of Heaven, practically placing our identity before a Righteous Father to block, protect, and usurp the false authority of the enemy.
Listeners are challenged to move beyond the question "What would Jesus do?" and instead embrace "Who does Jesus say that I AM?" Through a powerful breakdown of Romans 8:37-39, Kristen reminds us that no device—past, present, or yet to be invented—can separate us from the love of God. The episode concludes with a call to action: when you rid the accusation for yourself in the courts, you help rid it for the entire Body of Christ.

Heaven is absolutely practical, practical, practical." —Kristen Wambach

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00:00 Identity Theft and Spiritual Security: Phishing Scams, Spiritual Security Upgrades, Distraction
12:37 The Importance of Divine Identity: Seal of Authenticity, Bespoke Creation, Artist's Signature
20:31 Authority in Christ and Overcoming Accusations: Courts of Heaven, Legal Mandates, Romans 8:37
20:44 Embracing Your Divine Identity: Standing on Heaven's Floor, Big Papa, Spiritual Bravery
21:36 Practical Tools for Spiritual Growth: Unzipping Heaven, Dream Discernment, Holy Ghost Highlights
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When you rid the accusation for yourself, you help rid it for all of us." —Kristen Wambach

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We live in an age of digital noise. Between the pings of our social media and the constant flow of information, there is a darker frequency: the frequency of the accusation. This week, it didn’t come to me through a theological debate; it came through a phone call.

A phishing scammer, armed with an alarming amount of my personal data, attempted to shake my peace. In the natural, it was a nuisance that required changing passwords and contacting banks. But in the spirit, it was a "Holy Ghost highlight." It was a reminder that our identity is constantly being targeted by an enemy who wants to usurp what Christ has already secured.

The Noise of the Earth vs. The Floor of Heaven
When we are tired, emotionally spent, or hyper-focused on our "projects"—even the good ones like launching a book or a website—we become susceptible to distractions. The noise of the earth becomes loud. It sounds like fear, like "your identity is at risk," or "you are not secure."

But heaven is incredibly practical. As an ordained pastor with over 40 years of ministry, I’ve found that the most effective way to handle an earthly threat is to take it to the Highest Court. I saw it in my spirit: unzipping the ceiling of this noisy world and stepping through the veil to stand on the floor of heaven. From that vantage point, the threat doesn't look like a crisis; it looks like an opportunity for a "Spiritual Security Upgrade."

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The Phishing Scam That Sent Me to the Courts of Heaven: Spiritual Security Upgrades ❖ 263
Kristen Wambach (00:02.134)
Welcome, welcome to Interviewing Jesus podcast. I am your host, Kristin Wambach. Have you ever had that split second where your heart just drops right into your feet? Not because a particularly spiritual attack you can see, but because of a voice on the other end of the phone line. This week, I had a disturbing occurrence. A sophisticated phishing scam nearly got the best of me, targeting my identity, my peace, and my focus. But as I sat in the aftermath of changing passwords and shoring up my digital life, the Holy Spirit began to speak to me of a much deeper truth about the seal of authenticity. As an ordained pastor and spiritual coach, with over four years of ministry experience, I've learned that heaven is incredibly practical. When the noise of the earth tries to drown out who you are, it's time to unzip the ceiling, step through the veil and stand on the floor of heaven to see things from God's perspective.
Today we're talking about Spiritual Security upgrades. We're going into the courts of heaven to place our identity, our spiritual social security number before a righteous father. Whether you have felt accused, threatened, or just distracted by an onslaught of the world, this episode is your reminder that you are a bespoke Preacher, are his, made in his image, signed by the artist himself. It's time to move from what would Jesus do to who does Jesus say that you and I are. Let's breach the gap together between heaven and earth and nail those threats where they belong. Amen.
Kristen Wambach (00:01.56)
Hello, hello, let's get started here today. Has that ever happened to you? This week, seriously a disturbing occurrence. Someone tried to steal my identity through one of those phishing call scams. And quite frankly, they almost got the best of me. And that is what is so scary. But we're not trying to be fearful here, but to take action for who you and I really are. Sometimes we just need that shake to remind us of the benefits that God has provided for us. Amen. I do not think I am an online prude by any means. That's why it really caught me off guard. I have five online stores. I manage two websites. I help people through coaching. I published this podcast and now I am working on launching my second book. Yep. I'm a little bit focused right now.
I can look at it from two different ways. This is what I wanted to share with you. It's time for an upgrade of our own security. And yes, I'm talking spiritual security, which has very practical applications. We need to remember our identity in Him, always, for everything. And that is the heart of what you and I are going to talk about today as I pressed through kind of a very upsetting couple of days during my week. Heaven is absolutely practical, practical, practical, practical. And this is how our story develops. I'm in my final editing stages of the book, working on the website, the VIP launch emails and workflows, which you are most welcome to join. And I'm making sure that I'm communicating the experience in my life, that I've had years of ministry experience, yada, yada, yada, all those things that we do for...
Kristen Wambach (02:26.572)
...those of you who have a voice online, we're always communicating the passions on our heart, the issues that God has reinforced who we are and how we can help others. Amen. I help people live spiritually brave. I encounter God. We step through the veil in Christ to experience heaven. That is what I am so passionate about. I also watch my granddaughter a couple days during the week. And when I do that, I get up very early. Um, yes, very early. And so when nap time rolls around, it is literally nap time for both of us. You get the picture here. And then the phone rings. And it wasn't just twice. And yes, I have my phone set for the do not disturb and the only the contacts can get through and yes. And then it rings right away three times in a row. So I go, "Oh!" And I answer it thinking that it is on behalf of my 92 year old mother who has one of those emergency response contact calls. The thing she wears around her neck.
And that's what I was thinking that it was repeating the call. It was an emergency situation. So I answered this. Note to self about being distracted. Hello, we can all hear this here. When you and I are extra focused on projects, and especially products, projects that have a line of when we want to accomplish them, if they're set with a goal. We are so focused, right? When we're tired, when we're emotionally spent, we are easily distracted. Did I set that up well for you? This is where I actually was. I've been so focused on my work and keeping up all of the hats, so to speak, for my week. I'm sure you can relate with me, that sometimes that in itself can be a distraction. So I answered the phone after the three immediate phone calls back to back and the lady was very nice of course, and she was calling to warn me that my social security number had been used to open an account in Florida and wanted to know if that was me. Well, immediately I'm apprehensive, but she had all the pertinent information and she just kept reading it off and offering it to me. This is who you are. I'm from such and such bank institution and she just read off all this information that you'd assume only a bank official would have. Well, then came the transfer to a higher security individual because they were there to help me make sure that nothing had gone wrong and that my identity was not indeed getting stolen. yeah, they were really good at what they were doing. So I'm sure that you're getting the picture here. First, I was alarmed when I finally...
Kristen Wambach (07:09.022)
...in my spirit, thank God for Holy Spirit, in my spirit, I never had that freedom, that assurity by the phone call, even though they they put me on the edge, you feel at risk like, my gosh, now what am I going to have to do? Now what am I going to have to to go through? And so there was the bridge that was trying to disrupt my peace to provide help. That was the scary part. And how much exact information they actually had about me to convince me of their legitimacy. I tell you, no, I didn't give out any information, nothing new, no matter how irrelevant it might seem. And they really didn't ask too much. Yes. After the end of the call, I contacted my bank institutions and changed my passwords, contacted the credit bureaus and such and such, which took me almost an entire day to shore up my identity. Yeah. It's like, God, this is wrong.
In our society today, this is not news at all. But this is what reminded me. This is what reminded me. And because of what he was reminding me of who I am and who you are, I wanted to just take something that's practical and happens to each one of us and say, hello, we need to remember who our God is. Amen. I wrote this, this is an excerpt. I can say that this is an excerpt from my brand new book, How Good Is God. The seal of authenticity. Mass production has no soul. Factory lines create copies, but they do not create art. Value is determined by one thing. Who signs the work? The ridges on your fingertips are not random lines. They are the evidence that the artist touched the clay while it was still wet. You are not a reprint. You are a bespoke creation. And the fingerprint of God is the only ID you need. Amen. God's fingerprint is on you. God's fingerprint is on me. And that is the only ID that we need and no enemy. No, they cannot have our identity and they could not usurp it. Amen. Here's my conclusion. This is what I did. And I want you to take notes here.
Kristen Wambach (09:33.943)
Okay. I immediately stepped into the courts of heaven and I put my social security on the bench before a righteous father. I can't tell you how much I love this personality of my heavenly father. He is a righteous dude and he is always standing in that place to protect his kids. I love a big papa. He in turn identified me. I was going through the spiritual legalities of protecting myself from an onslaught of the enemy. So I take in my social security number and in the spirit I put it on the bench where papa is sitting. Then we recorded it because obviously he identifies his own kids. And then I sent out the angels to block, protect, and usurp the false authority that was attempting to steal and destroy. Amen. Then I asked the father for a mandate, a special assignment to uproot the evil that was being done against people, people. And I consider myself to have above average online chutzpah. And I was thinking of all the other people that this same type of scam has literally stolen money from them. It's horrendous. So this assignment to uproot evil being done against people through this company and the people who were choosing to partner with that company sent out the angels and BAM! Peace is restored. Yay God!
Kristen Wambach (11:50.369)
Our reminder, our very practical reminder, always ask God, always ask God, step through the veil of himself, get the different picture, get the picture that God is seeing and his perception. I actually made this really cool video this morning with an AI. and I literally put in the words of what I saw my spirit doing literally going through the noise of the earth as if it were a ceiling opening the ceiling unzipping the ceiling and going stepping into heaven and standing on the floor of heaven to get God's perspective you can see it on the YouTube version of this episode. I will also put it in the blog post connected to the show notes. You will love it. It is amazing. Imagine stepping out of the noise of the earth and standing on the floor of heaven and feeling the presence of God and every benefit that he has supplied us as your enforcement for that day.
Always ask God if your identity is being compromised. So many ways to look at that. Now I'm going to give you a couple of different ways that, that God has highlighted this to me throughout the course of my years of engaging heaven. Sometimes it can come through a dream. The dreams will be someone is attempting to steal our purse or maybe we've misplaced our purse in the dream and the purse would be telling us, meaning our wealth, our valuables, our identity in a dream. Hello? Sometimes even in social media, Holy Spirit will just have these posts come up...
Kristen Wambach (14:12.236)
...before us that's just a direct message of pay attention. Look what's going on here. Hello, wake up and this actually happened to me this week as well I had a friend who I'd sent him a link directly from my website and he was blocked he literally many times could not get to my website because he was blocked. Hello. Thank you God for giving me a clue of what is going on. Yay, amen.
Kristen Wambach (14:53.183)
and please. When you have been accused in whatever manner that it comes, take the appropriate actions with the Lord to rid the accusation. Because when you do that, when we rid the accusation, it also helps to remove it from all of us. Amen. What is an accusation? Anything that attempts to usurp the authority of Christ and his sacrifice for you and I. Anything. Anything that is attempting to steal our peace. Anything that threatens what Christ gave to you and I. Who he says we are. Even the keys of the kingdom that he gave us. If it is threatening our access and our authority. Something is usurping. Amen.
What else is an accusation? When life and that life of being abundant is being compromised. I love Romans 8, 37 through 39 in the mirror. It is one of my favorite, favorite scriptures. On the contrary, in the thick of these things, our triumph remains...
Kristen Wambach (16:34.6)
On the contrary, in the thick of these things, our triumph remains beyond dispute. His love has placed us above the reach of any onslaught. And this is my conviction. No threat, whether it be death or life, be it celestial messengers, demon powers, political principalities, nothing known to us at this time. or even in the unknown future, no dimension of any calculation in time or space, nor any device yet to be invented, as what it takes to separate us from the love of God unveiled in our Lord Jesus Christ. Amen. Nothing, nothing can separate us from the love of God. And since you and I cannot be separated from the love of God. It's up to you and I to use that authority that he placed in our hands and time to nail those threats in the courts of heaven. Amen.

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The Seal of Authenticity
In my upcoming book, How Good Is God!, I talk about the "Seal of Authenticity." Think about a factory line. Mass production has no soul. It creates copies, reprints, and generic versions. But value is determined by the signature.

Your fingerprints aren’t just biological markers for a background check. They are the evidence that the Artist touched the clay while it was still wet. You are a bespoke creation. This means your ID isn't found in a Social Security number or a bank account; it is found in the DNA of God’s love for you.

Legal Action in the Courts of Heaven

So, what do we do when the enemy attempts to steal our "purse"—our wealth, our valuables, or our peace? We step into the Courts of Heaven.

I literally took my Social Security number—the very thing the scammers were trying to weaponize—and I placed it on the bench before my Righteous Father. I call Him "Big Papa" because He is a protector. When we present our case, He identifies us. He stamps us as His own.

From that place of legal standing, I didn't just ask for protection; I asked for a mandate. I sent out angels not only to block the attack against me but to uproot the evil being done to others through that organization. This is the power of being a "Spiritually Brave" believer. When you rid the accusation for yourself, you help rid it for the whole Body of Christ.

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The Triumph Beyond Dispute
Romans 8:37-39 tells us that nothing—not celestial messengers, demon powers, or even "devices yet to be invented"—can separate us from the love of God.
If nothing can separate us from His love, then nothing can truly steal our identity.
The next time you feel a "split second where your heart drops," remember that you have the authority to nail those threats to the cross. Step out of the noise. Stand on the floor of heaven. And listen to what the Father says about who you are.

On the contrary, in the thick of these things our triumph remains beyond dispute. His love has placed us above the reach of any onslaught. This is my conviction; no threat whether it be in death or life; be it celestial messengers, demon powers or political principalities, nothing known to us at this time, or even in the unknown future; no dimension of any calculation in time or space, nor any device yet to be invented, has what it takes to separate us from the love of God unveiled in our Lord, Jesus Christ.
Romans 8: 37-39 du Toit, Francois. Mirror Study Bible

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Success, in the eyes of our Father, isn't found in the "grind" or the height of a platform, but in the radical alignment of our hearts with His. It’s the quiet, supernatural wisdom of faithfulness—the kind that chooses Rhema over Logos and prioritizes Sonship over "doing." To God, you are successful when you are simply, bravely yourself, living out the divine DNA He’s woven into your spirit. He doesn’t just watch our success; He delights in it with the heart of a proud Father, cheering as we bridge the gap between Heaven and Earth. When we succeed for Him, it’s not a performance to earn His love, but a beautiful oneness in action, proving just How Good He is as we steward the restoration of all things in our own unique spheres.

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Are you ready to move from being a target to being Spiritually BRAVE? Don’t let the noise of the earth or the tactics of the enemy steal your peace or your purpose. Your identity is a bespoke creation, hand-signed by God, and it is time to enforce that truth in every area of your life.
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Share Your Victory: Has God given you a "Holy Ghost Highlight" this week? Leave a comment below. When we share our triumphs over the accuser, we shore up the security for the entire community.

It’s time to unzip the ceiling and stand on the floor of heaven. I’ll see you there.

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The Mirror of Love: Overcoming the Identity Crisis of Fear ❖ 262

2/11/2026

Sometimes we have to put the trumpet down, close up the music, and hang out with the orchestra conductor for a while." --Kristen Wambach

The Mirror of Love: Overcoming the Identity Crisis of Fear Interviewing Jesus Podcast with Kristen Wambach

KEY TAKEAWAYS

Identity Mastery: Solving the identity crisis through the Mirror of Love.
Vulnerability vs. Fragility: A Quantum shift in spiritual strength.
Authority in Action: Speaking to "mountains" with pastoral authority.
Relational Discernment: Seeing God’s silence as a sign of trust.
The Mirror Exercise: A tool to restore your awareness of Oneness.
The Boomerang Effect: Using mercy to break through isolation.

SUMMARY

In this episode of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, Kristen Wambach draws from her 20-year mastery as an ordained pastor and Investigative Journalist of the Spirit to tackle the "nitty-gritty" of human fear, pain, and silence. Kristen deconstructs fear as a distorted "identity crisis," utilizing the Mirror Bible to shift listeners from an expectation of punishment to the security of Oneness.
Through Quantum thinking and personal narratives—including the moving story of a painting named "Jane"—Kristen differentiates between being fragile and being truly vulnerable. She provides practical lifestyle tools, such as the "Boomerang Effect" for physical pain and the "Mirror Exercise," designed to move the Spiritually BRAVE from passive seekers to active participants in their God-inspired DNA. The episode concludes with a powerful perspective on divine silence as a sign of spiritual maturity and trust.

Courage is not the absence of fear, but rather the assessment that something else is more important than fear."--Franklin D. Roosevelt

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Vulnerable means that you have exposed yourself and you've laid your heart out on the desk... your heart is available for those to view." --Kristen Wambach

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A child doesn't need to know the whole map if they are holding their Father's hand."
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It’s winter time here in Oregon—cold, rainy, and the kind of weather that makes you want to crawl under an electric heating blanket. But as I sit here, I’m thinking about the "nitty-gritty" of your daily life. After more than two decades as an ordained pastor and transformation coach, I’ve learned that the most profound spiritual shifts happen right in the middle of our most human moments.
As an Investigative Journalist of the Spirit, I’ve spent twenty years documenting the goodness of God through direct, relational encounters. What I’ve discovered is that the volume of our pain often tries to drown out the whisper of God. We find ourselves paralyzed by fear or lost at a crossroads, looking for answers that religious platitudes simply cannot provide.

Your pain is not a sign that God is absent; it’s the place where His comfort becomes tangible." --Kristen Wambach

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Fear as an Identity Crisis
In my 20-year tenure teaching believers how to engage the heavenly realm, I’ve realized that fear is rarely just an emotion—it is an identity crisis. Even as a seasoned spiritual leader, I’ve had to "get after myself" recently. As movers and shakers, we often take on responsibilities that weren't ours to carry, leading us to look into a distorted mirror of self-judgment.

The Mirror Bible renders 1 John 4:18 with profound clarity: "Fear is always associated with the expectation of punishment; it is a distorted reflection of self." When we fear we aren't "arriving" or "doing enough," we have lost our focus on our Oneness with God. Sometimes, we need to put the trumpet down and hang out with the Orchestra Conductor to be re-tuned by His love.
Quantum Thinking and the Boomerang of Mercy
When we deal with pain—whether physical pressure or emotional weight—we must apply Quantum thinking. This means translating high-level spiritual truth into a practical lifestyle tool. 2 Corinthians 1:3-4 identifies God as the source of all comfort.
In my experience, the fastest way to move out of the isolation of pain is the Boomerang Effect. By using your authority to encourage someone else, you trigger a flow of mercy that swings back to you, bathing your own situation in His tangible presence. Don't just endure the "mountain" of decay; as a co-heir in Christ, you have the authority to speak to it and command it to move.

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Vulnerability vs. Fragility: The Story of Jane
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Being fragile means you are easily broken. But being vulnerable means you are authentic; you’ve laid your heart out on the table. This is the core of Spiritually BRAVE living. When we are vulnerable before the Lord, we aren't weak—we are securing ourselves in His "hugeness." It is the ultimate act of relational discernment.

Mastery in the Silence
What about when God feels silent? After twenty years of ministry, I’ve come to see silence not as an absence, but as a sign of Sonship and trust. If you are at a crossroads and the map seems blank, it is because God trusts your maturity to make the decision. He is backing your God-inspired DNA. You don’t need the whole map when you are holding the Father’s hand.
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Go look in the mirror and stare at yourself until you can see Jesus's eyes looking back at you." --Kristen Wambach

A Pastoral Prayer for You
Father, I thank You for my friend. I ask that You flood them with Your goodness right now. We take the weights and expectations that aren't ours, and we hand them to You. Thank You for the supernatural wisdom that rewrites our lives and restores our God-inspired DNA. Amen.

"God’s goodness is bigger than your current bandwidth about Him." — Kristen Wambach, How Good is God?

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What would change about yourself if you could? And my first response is questioning the "if?" With and in God all things are possible, amen. What would I change, or should I say, what are "We" changing through communion: I do not like the moles on my face, because they are close to my eyes, which requires a plastic surgeon for their removal. I have asked local MD's for years. Also, my teeth are crooked... which showed up much later in life as my wisdom teeth came in late after the "normal" years of orthodontics. -->

And this is my conclusion: When I take communion with Jesus and He is cleansing my DNA and all those epigenetic triggers and such... I also visually see Him cleansing the moles right off my face and straightening my teeth! God is good, and we are so privileged to commune in His Goodness.

I am asked who my Coach - Jesus Christ, and then Brendon Bruchard.

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The Identity Rebirth: Breaking the "Self-Help Spell" with Polish Peter Kolat ❖ 261

2/5/2026

"The glory of God is man fully alive." — St. Irenaeus
EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS

Optimistic Depression: Recognizing the gap between your public success and private soul-hunger.
The Permission of Jesus: Understanding why the Lord asks "Do you want to get well?" before initiating transformation.
Awareness over Performance: Using Peter’s "Vessel" prayer to shift from doing to being.
The Texting Tool: A practical method for communal intercession and spiritual awareness.

"You aren't a project to be fixed; you are a masterpiece to be awakened. If today’s talk stirred your spirit, share it with a friend who needs to hear that they can finally take the mask off. Grab Peter’s book, Authentic Self Rebirth, and join me next week as we stay Spiritually BRAVE. The line to the Father is open, and He’s waiting for you."

SUMMARY

In this soul-stirring episode of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, Kristen Wambach sits down with Polish Peter Kolat, author of Authentic Self Rebirth. Peter shares his harrowing yet triumphant journey from the scarcity of communist Poland to becoming a "Transformational Coach of the Year." They dive deep into the phenomenon of "optimistic depression," the limitations of the traditional self-help industry, and Peter’s 7 Human Drives Framework. This conversation is a powerful exploration of how to stop "fixing" yourself and start living from your original, God-inspired DNA.

I believe there is nothing to fix about us because we are made in His image. Personal development says you’re broken; the Gospel says you need to return to the authentic self God created before the world told you who to be." —Peter Kolat

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Optimistic depression is deep down in my spirit, asking 'What the heck is wrong with me?' while telling the world 'I’m good, everything's good' because that’s what we think we have to do to survive." —Peter Kolat

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The Mask of Success
We live in a culture obsessed with "becoming." We are told to hustle harder, wake up earlier, and stack our habits until we finally reach a version of ourselves that is "good enough." But what happens when you reach the top of the mountain and realize you’ve been climbing with a "smiling exterior while drowning on the inside"?

Polish Peter Kolat calls this Optimistic Depression. It is the plight of the high-achiever who has mastered the art of the mask. Peter’s own journey began in the grey streets of communist Poland, arriving in America with nothing but a suitcase and an immigrant’s grit. He built the businesses, he spoke on the stages, and yet, in 2011, a shattering divorce revealed that his "personal development" was merely a psychological band-aid on a soul-level wound.

Breaking the Spell
The "Self-Help Spell" is the lie that you are a broken machine in need of repair. We pile on affirmations and strategies, but as Peter discussed on the podcast, if the foundation is an "Outdated Story" of survival, no amount of polish will make it shine.

In our conversation, we looked at the man at the Pool of Bethesda. For 38 years, he had a "stuck pattern." When Jesus asked him, "Do you want to get well?" the man didn't say yes; he gave excuses. He was under the spell of his own condition. True rebirth happens when we stop looking for someone to "put us in the pool" and start listening to the One who created the water.

I look at God like the air in this room. If I had the right glasses, I could see Him everywhere. I can never escape Him, so I invite Him into every conversation as my lead and my guide." —Peter Kolat

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In Authentic Self Rebirth, Polish Peter guides people through a powerful, step-by-step process to transform fear, self-doubt, and confusion into peace, purpose, and confidence.

Through personal stories and transformative breakthroughs, people will learn how to release limiting beliefs and rebuild their lives on a foundation of authenticity. Authentic Self Rebirth uncovers the 7 Human Drives that influence every decision people make, helping them understand themselves and those around them. It shows people how to rewrite the story they have been telling themselves, and introduces the Rebirth Visualization, a guided practice to uncover clarity and inner peace.
With hands-on exercises at the end of each chapter, Authentic Self Rebirth ensures people don’t just read about transformation—they live it. Whether they’re people pleasers trapped in emotional cycles or someone looking to make fearless decisions, this inspirational guidebook offers the tools to create lasting, meaningful change.
Ready to turn fear into freedom? Authentic Self Rebirth is not just another self-help book—it’s a practical guide to embracing uncertainty and moving forward with a growth mindset.

The 7 Human Drives: RedesignedPeter’s 7 Human Drives Framework evolves the traditional work of secular psychology by reintroducing the missing element: Faith.

Security
Variety
Significance
Love & Connection
Growth
Contribution
Faith

When Faith becomes the primary drive, our need for certainty and significance is transformed. We no longer seek validation from the world (Logos Mind); we receive our identity directly from the Heart of Jesus (Rhema Mind). This is the shift from Survival to Sonship.

The Practice of Awareness
Peter shared a beautiful, practical tool for bridging heaven and earth: The "Starting and Finished" prayer text. By having a partner text "Starting" and "Finished" during intercession, we create a tangible awareness of the Spirit’s work.

Awareness is the air we breathe. Just as we don't always "see" the air, we must know that God is always present, always interceding, and always inviting us back to our Authentic Self. You are not broken. Your DNA is a strand of light, and today is the day to allow that light to rewrite your life.

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Think Electrical, Not Mechanical: Engineering Miracles with Philip Hunt ❖ 260

1/28/2026

Think Electrical, Not Mechanical: Engineering Miracles with Philip Hunt Interviewing Jesus Podcast

Episode Summary: Think Electrical, Not Mechanical. In this episode of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, host Kristen Wambach sits down with transformation coach Philip Hunt to explore the intersection of ancient spiritual truths and modern science. After a radical encounter with the Holy Spirit, Philip walked away from a booming entertainment empire to live for five years on "pure manifestation"—experiencing miraculous provision without a traditional paycheck.

The conversation centers on shifting from a "mechanical" mindset (toiling and grinding under the "curse" system) to an "electrical" lifestyle (operating in the high-frequency flow of the Kingdom). Philip explains that our bodies are sophisticated spiritual technology, featuring a nervous system that acts as a conduit for God's power.

Key Discussion Points:

The Electrical Nervous System: Philip discusses how our thoughts and emotions create a "biofield" or "God-bubble." He explains that trauma and limiting beliefs act as resistance, lowering the spiritual "voltage" required to manifest God's promises.
Unforced Rhythms of Grace: Moving away from the "sweat of the brow" (Genesis 3) and back into the "Garden" state, where ease and pleasure are the natural environment for the believer.
The Science of Breath: Exploring the physiological and spiritual power of Ruach (breath). Philip and Kristen discuss how breathing from the "Holy of Holies" within can animate our words and release "green code" (divine information) into our physical reality.
Demystifying the Spirit: Kristen shares her "100 Diamond Story," emphasizing that spiritual gifts are meant to be tangible and practical on Earth, not just abstract concepts for the afterlife.
The episode concludes with a powerful activation prayer, inviting listeners to stop reacting to their circumstances and start proactively "Engineering Miracles" through their union with Jesus.

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The Miraculous Economy: Living on pure faith shifts your source from human hustle to divine alignment, making extraordinary provision an inevitable result of the Spirit.
The Soul as the Engine: External results reflect internal states. True wealth begins within; when your soul prospers, your environment must follow.
The Joy Frequency: Joy is a high-frequency energy that powers manifestation. It dissolves world-weariness and acts as a lubricant for the miraculous.
Resistance as a Catalyst: Just as friction creates light, spiritual resistance sparks growth. Challenges are thresholds that invite you to increase your spiritual "voltage."
The Power of Clarity: Vague prayers yield vague results. Precise desires send a clear signal into the Spirit, allowing the Father to deliver precise manifestations.
Reflecting the Divine Image: You are a prism of God’s light. Being made in His image gives you the innate capacity to co-create using the spiritual tools in your DNA.

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The prosperity of the soul directly influences external results." —Kristen Wambach

From the Rat Race to the Rhythm of Grace
In a world that celebrates the "hustle," Philip Hunt’s story is a radical interruption. After a successful career in the wedding entertainment industry, a direct encounter with 1 Corinthians 3:18 led him to become a "professional fool" for Christ. He didn't just change his career; he changed his entire internal operating system. For five years, Philip lived without a paycheck, supporting a family of five through pure manifestation.

The more you learn to interface with this [the electricity of the Spirit], the more just magical and amazing and wonderful the world becomes." —Philip Hunt

The Electrical Nature of Faith
During the episode, Philip introduced a concept that challenges the traditional "work harder" mindset: Think Electrical, Not Mechanical.
Most of us live in a "mechanical" state—grinding, toiling, and sweating to produce results. This is the rhythm of the curse. However, when we are baptized in the Holy Spirit, our nervous system (which Philip notes is 45 miles of conductive "technology") becomes electrified. We move from the roller coaster of "maybe it will work" to the direct current of "God said it, and it is so."

Understanding Your Biofield (The God-Bubble)
Philip explains that we aren't just flesh and bone; we are emitters of light.
Scientifically known as "biophotons," these particles carry information.
When we harbor trauma or limiting beliefs, we create
resistance
(Ohm’s Law.)
This resistance lowers the "voltage" of our faith. By engaging in inner healing and trauma regulation, we clear the conduit, allowing the power of God to flow through us without hindrance.

God’s ways being higher doesn't mean we can't reach them; it means we are invited to ascend to them." —Kristen Wambach

The Spiritual TranslationPhilip used this formula as a metaphor for the "Spiritual Technology" of the human body:

(Voltage): This is the Pressure or Power. In your podcast, this represents the "Power of Faith" or the "Miraculous Output." It’s the strength of the signal you are sending out into the atmosphere.
(Current): This is the Flow. This represents the "Spirit of Life" or the "Flow of Grace" moving through you. It is the actual movement of God’s energy through the conduit (you).
(Resistance): This is the Hindrance. Philip identified this as trauma, unforgiveness, limiting mindsets, or "mechanical" thinking.

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Faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." — Hebrews 11:1

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"The love of God for me is an all-welcoming, accepting, warm presence. It’s miraculous because how I viewed God growing up was the complete opposite. He's my best friend, my father, my mother—my everything. I have absolute and complete trust in Him, which I never thought was possible." —Jessica Morris

If you want to find the secrets of the universe, think in terms of energy, frequency and vibration." — Nikola Tesla

The Breath of Life
One of the most practical takeaways from our conversation was the focus on breath. Every breath we take contains sextillions of molecules, each with electrical potential. When we breathe intentionally from the "Holy of Holies" within us, we aren't just oxygenating our blood; we are animating our words. As Philip wisely stated, "The Word without breath doesn't move." To manifest the Kingdom on earth, we must learn to breathe in the Spirit of Life and exhale the "green code" of Heaven into our circumstances.

"Don't just listen to this episode--clear the conduit. Right now, I want you to take one minute to identify the 'Resistance' in your life. Is it a care of the world? A mechanical mindset?
Place your hand over your heart, breathe from the Holy of Holies within you, and command that resistance to drop so the voltage of your faith can rise. If you’re ready to live Spiritually BRAVE, share this episode with one person who needs to move from the 'grind' to the 'flow.'"

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The Pooping Peahen: When Beauty Leaves a Mess ❖ 259

1/22/2026

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The Popping Peahen: When Beauty Leaves a Mess Interviewing Jesus Podcast with Kristen Wambach

"Choosing courage over comfort is not always easy, but it’s always worth it. Clear is kind. Unclear is unkind." —Brené Brown

Protecting PEACE

EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS

Identify the "Poop": Recognize where boundaries are being crossed in your most intimate relationships.
Stand Your Sacred Ground: Learn to stay rooted in your identity without shrinking or becoming aggressive.
Separate Person from Pattern: Use 2 Corinthians 5:16 to see people according to their Spirit-given DNA, not their fleshly mistakes.

Embrace the "Orange Fence": Realize that clear boundaries are the highest form of kindness and protection for a covenant.
Protect the Private Vision: Trust the vision Jesus gave you, even if no one else supports it yet.

You’re tired of "cleaning up the mess": If you feel like you are constantly managing the emotional fallout of others' behaviors, this "Peahen Parable" will give you the practical tools to stop the cycle.

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Summary
In this conversation, Kristen Wambach shares a humorous yet profound exploration of boundaries and relationships through the metaphor of her wild neighbor, Sweet Pea the Pea Hen. She discusses the importance of setting healthy boundaries while appreciating the beauty in our relationships. Drawing on insights from Brené Brown and personal experiences, Kristen emphasizes the need for spiritual bravery, the differentiation between behavior and identity, and the significance of holding onto one's vision amidst challenges. The episode concludes with a call to action for listeners to reflect on their own boundaries and the behaviors that may disrupt their peace.

The Pooping Peahen: When Beauty Leaves a Mess Interviewing Jesus Podcast with Kristen Wambach

The Beauty and the MessFor nearly four years, my husband Don and I have shared our property with a resident peahen we named "Sweet Pea." She is a vision of emerald elegance, complete with a crest that scientists say acts as a vibrational antenna, tuned to frequencies we can’t even perceive. She’s been a companion in our Summer Sunday church in the backyard and a guardian of our garden.

But this winter, Sweet Pea’s behavior escalated. She began spending all her time huddled by our sliding glass door, finding comfort in her own reflection. The problem? Closeness creates a mess. She began pooping all over our back patio—our most intimate access point—leaving my King Charles Spaniel, Dash, to track the mess right into our home.

It’s a goofy story, but Holy Spirit began drawing a picture on my heart: Do our poopy behaviors ever litter the intimate access of our family members, leaving them to clean up the mess?

Do our poopy behaviors ever litter the intimate access of our family members, leaving them to clean up our mess?" —Kristen Wambach

The Temptation to Shrink or Puff UpWhen faced with "wild," unmanageable behavior—whether it’s a stubborn bird or a struggling family member—we often default to two reactions: shrinking or puffing up. Brené Brown, a brilliant voice in relational wisdom, warns us against both. Shrinking makes us small to avoid conflict, while puffing up uses the armor of aggression to fight back.

Instead, we are called to stand our sacred ground. This means maintaining your emotional integrity and staying rooted in who you are without needing to dominate or disappear. As 1 Peter 5:9 in the Mirror Bible reminds us, our "firm footing in the faith is our resistance." We don't resist with rage; we resist by refusing to be moved from our true identity in Christ.

Love has to do the work of fine-tuning our behaviors first in us, then those we have the privilege to influence." —Kristen Wambach

We don't want to shrink, making ourselves small to avoid the conflict... and we don't want to puff up, using our armor of aggression." —Kristen Wambach

Protecting your PEACE
Brené Brown approaches the topic of dealing with angry or aggressive behavior (often categorized as bullying) not by fighting back with aggression, but by "braving the wilderness"—standing your ground with a strong back, soft front, and wild heart. Based on her work in Atlas of the Heart, Daring Greatly, and Braving the Wilderness, here is how she suggests navigating an interaction with an angry bully:

"Don't Shrink. Don't Puff Up. Stand Your Sacred Ground." Brown famously advises against the two most common reactions to aggression:

Shrinking: Making yourself small to avoid conflict.
Puffing up: Using armor and aggression to fight back (getting bigger than the bully). Instead, she suggests standing your sacred ground. This means maintaining your physical and emotional integrity. You stay rooted in who you are without needing to dominate them or disappear to feel safe.

Differentiate Between the Person and the Behavior. In Atlas of the Heart, Brown explains that anger is often a "secondary emotion"—a protective layer covering shame, fear, or hurt. When someone is angry and bullying:

Do not engage with the rage: If you engage with their aggression, you are "feeding the tiger."
Acknowledge the feeling, limit the behavior: You can validate their emotion without accepting their abuse.
- The Script: "I can hear that you are frustrated/angry, and I want to discuss this. But I will not continue this conversation if there is yelling/name-calling."

"Clear is Kind" (Setting Boundaries) Brown emphasizes that we often avoid setting boundaries because we feel it’s "mean," but actually, clear is kind. Ambiguity leads to anxiety and escalation.

State what is okay and what is not. Do not hint.
Use the "It’s okay / It’s not okay" formula:
- "It is okay to be angry about this mistake."
- "It is not okay to speak to me that way."
If they cross the boundary, you must follow through (e.g., leaving the room, ending the call) for the boundary to be real.

Watch Out for the "Cheap Seats" One of Brown’s most famous metaphors (from Daring Greatly) is the "Arena."

The Critic: The bully is often a critic in the "cheap seats"—hurling judgment from a safe distance while you are doing the hard work in the arena.
The Rule: If they are not also "in the arena" getting their butt kicked and being vulnerable, their feedback does not matter. You do not need to catch the hurtful things they throw at you; you can let them drop to the floor and step over them.

Dehumanization Awareness Bullying almost always relies on dehumanization—stripping the other person of their humanity to make it easier to hurt them.

Brown warns that if you respond to a bully by dehumanizing them (calling them monsters, idiots, etc.), you have lost your own integrity.
The goal is to hold them accountable for their actions while maintaining your own humanity. Summary Checklist for the Interaction
Check your body: Straight spine (strong back), breathe deeply to calm your nervous system.
Refuse to armor up: Keep a "soft front" (remain open to the truth, but protected by boundaries).
Set the boundary: "I am willing to talk, but not like this."
Disengage if needed: If the behavior continues, walk away. You are not "losing"; you are protecting your peace.

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Here are five scriptures from the Mirror Bible (translated by Francois Du Toit) that uphold Brené Brown’s principles of standing your ground, differentiating the person from the behavior, and refusing to engage with rage.

On "Standing Your Sacred Ground" (Identity vs. Shrinking) 1 Peter 5:9

"Your firm footing in the faith is your resistance; you know that you are not alone in this..."
Connection: Brown advises us not to shrink or puff up but to stand our ground. In the Mirror translation, "resistance" isn't about fighting back with equal aggression; it is about maintaining your "firm footing" in who you are (your faith/identity). You resist the bullying dynamic simply by refusing to be moved from your true self.
2. On Differentiating the Person from the Behavior 2 Corinthians 5:16
"Therefore, from now on, I no longer know anyone according to the flesh! I no longer see people from a human point of view! This is a radical and most defining moment! No label that could possibly previously identify someone carries any further significance!"
Connection: This aligns perfectly with Brown’s advice to separate the person from their rage. When you refuse to know a bully "according to the flesh" (their temporary, angry behavior), you can see past their "cheap seats" criticism. You acknowledge their behavior is just a "label" or a temporary state, not their true identity.
3. On the "Soft Front" (Refusing to engage with Fear/Rage) 1 John 4:18
"Fear cannot co-exist in this love realm. The perfect love union that we are talking about expels fear. Fear holds on to an expectation of crisis and judgment... and only registers in someone who does not yet realize the completeness of their love union."
Connection: A "soft front" requires us to drop our armor. Brown teaches that anger is often a shield for fear. This verse reminds us that if we stay in the "love realm" (our secure identity), we don't need to fear the bully. We can see that their aggression is actually just their own fear "holding on to an expectation of crisis."
4. On Why They Bully (Enemies in the Mind) Colossians 1:21
"You were once clearly disconnected in your thoughts; your indifference and hostility toward God were purely a result of a mindset that was harassed by hardships and annoyances."
Connection: Brown teaches that people bully because they are in pain or shame. The Mirror Bible explains that hostility is a result of a "mindset harassed by hardships." This helps you hold the boundary without dehumanizing them—understanding that their war is in their own mind, not actually with you.
5. On "Clear is Kind" (Overcoming Evil) Romans 12:21
"Do not let evil conquer you, but conquer evil by doing good." (Note: The Mirror commentary often expands this to mean that we do not fight darkness with darkness; we simply turn on the light.)
Connection: When Brown says, "Clear is kind," she means that setting a boundary is a form of goodness. You do not let the "evil" (the bullying behavior) conquer your emotional state. Instead, you overcome the situation by doing the "good" thing: firmly, clearly, and kindly removing yourself from the abuse.

Vision is a mental model of a future state... People will not always see it because they are focused on what is." — Andy Stanley

Differentiating DNA from Behavior
The breakthrough in my backyard came when I realized I had to differentiate between Sweet Pea (the beautiful creature I loved) and her behavior (the mess on the porch). In Atlas of the Heart, Brown explains that anger and aggression are often secondary emotions—protective layers for shame or fear.

When people act unbecomingly, we must see them through the lens of 2 Corinthians 5:16: "I no longer know anyone according to the flesh!" We must ask Holy Spirit to reveal their original DNA. Peter denied Jesus; Thomas doubted Him. Yet, Jesus saw past their "unbecoming" moments to the apostles they were destined to become.

The Vision is Yours Alone
During this season of "backyard warfare," I was reminded of a word Jesus shared with me: "Jesus gave you the vision, Kristen. Do not expect others to see it or support it before it comes to fruition." We often get frustrated when family members don't support our growth or our boundaries. But as Habakkuk 2:2-3 says, the vision is for an appointed time. It was a private conversation between you and your Creator. You cannot get upset when people can't see what God didn't show them. Your job is to hold the vision; their job is to see the fruit eventually.

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00:00 — The Wild Neighbor: Sweet Pea the Peacock
- Peacock crest, vibrational sensor, Interviewing Jesus Podcast, Sweet Pea.
09:37 — Lessons from Sweet Pea: Behavior and Boundaries
- Spirit-led living, family covenants, clear is kind, Spiritual awakening.
15:33 — Understanding Behavior: Differentiating Person from Action
- Original DNA, Mirror Bible, Biblical insights, relational discernment.
20:35 — Setting Healthy Boundaries: Protecting Your Peace
- Orange fencing, Spiritually brave living, Divine wisdom, Courts of Heaven.
27:07 — Conclusion: Embracing Vision and Community
- Finding purpose through faith, Habakkuk 2:2, private vision.
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Orange is a very kind and purposeful healthy boundary!" —Kristen Wambach

The Kindness of Orange Fencing
So, what was the "Jesus strategy" for Sweet Pea? I went to the hardware store and bought an ugly orange warning fence. I erected it around the pergola. It was a clear, physical boundary.

Brené Brown says, "Clear is kind." We often avoid boundaries because we think they are "mean," but ambiguity leads to anxiety. Telling a loved one, "It is okay to be angry, but it is not okay to speak to me that way," is an act of covenant love.

The orange fence isn't an act of rejection; it’s a tool to protect the peace so the relationship can actually survive. We go the distance for family, but we don't allow the "poop" to be trafficked into our hearts.

Choosing-courage over comfort is not always easy, but it’s always worth it. Clear is kind. Unclear is unkind." —Brené Brown

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Don’t get upset when people can’t see what God didn’t show them. It was a private conversation between you and the Creator." —Kristen Wambach

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Activation: Step Into the Goodness
Are you tracking a mess into someone’s life, or are you allowing someone to litter your place of peace? Today, I invite you to get into the goodness of God. Ask Him for the "orange fence" strategy that preserves your peace while honoring the love covenant. Remember, you are never alone in your intercession. Stand your ground—the view is much better from there.
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Why I Quit Yoga: The Hidden 'Yoke' & How to Rewire Your Brain with Dr. Laurette Willis ❖ 258

1/14/2026

Why I Quit Yoga: The Hidden 'Yoke' & How to Rewire Your Brain with Dr. Laurette Willis Interviewing Jesus Podcast

What if everything you thought about God was completely wrong?"—Dr. Laurette Willis, former New Age channeler and celebrated ”Woman of 101 Voices."

EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS

The Difference is the Yoke: Jesus offers an "easy yoke." If your spiritual practice feels heavy or requires you to empty yourself to find peace, check the source.
Motion Manifests Memory: "Faith comes by hearing," but transformation often settles in when we move. Speaking Scripture while moving helps rewrite your body's cellular memory.

The Caleb Anointing: You do not have to accept decline as you age. You can claim vitality and strength to serve the Kingdom well into your 80s.
Don't Diet, Live It: Throw away the shame of failed diets. Focus on the "Five Dailies": Pray & Plan, Water, Move, Journal, and Sleep.

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The Question That Changed Everything

Imagine spending decades searching for God in all the "sacred" places—backpacking through Europe, meditating on mountaintops, practicing yoga for 22 years, and even becoming a channeler for spirits. You think you are enlightened, but deep down, you are empty. Then, on April Fool's Day, you hear a voice over your shoulder ask one terrifying, liberating question:
"What if everything you thought about God was completely wrong?"

This is the incredible testimony of my guest today, Dr. Laurette Willis. She is the founder of PraiseMoves®, the Christian alternative to yoga, and a Cognitive Behavioral Therapist who bridges the gap between biblical revelation and brain science.

In this episode of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, we get Spiritually BRAVE about the vessel we live in. We aren't just talking about exercise; we are talking about discernment, neuroscience, and who—or what—you are yoking your spirit to.

The enemy pushes, but the Lord gently leads. That is the difference between a taskmaster and a Shepherd." — Dr. Laurette Willis

The Hidden "Yoke" of Yoga
For many Christians, yoga is a gray area. It’s just stretching, right? Dr. Laurette challenges this cultural norm with compassion and clarity. As a former insider who spent 22 years in the New Age movement, she explains that "Yoga" is a Sanskrit word meaning "to yoke." The question we must ask is: To whom are we yoking ourselves?
During the interview, I shared my own experience of seeing into the spirit realm while a friend practiced yoga. I watched her spirit "open up" in a way that left her vulnerable. Dr. Laurette confirmed this, explaining that many poses are designed to be offerings to Hindu deities.

But God is a Redeemer. He doesn't want us to stop moving; He wants us to move with purpose. Dr. Laurette introduces us to PraiseMoves, where postures are "redeemed." Instead of emptying the mind (which creates a vacuum), we fill the mind with Scripture while moving the body. It’s not just fitness; it’s living, moving meditation.

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About Dr. Laurette Willis
Dr Laurette Willis is a Cognitive-Behavioral Therapist, author, and the founder of PraiseMoves®, the internationally recognized Christian alternative to yoga. She equips believers to experience whole-person transformation by blending Scripture with neuroscience to "renew the mind" and break cycles of anxiety and emotional eating. A former New Ager rescued by God, Dr. Laurette now leads the Faith-Fueled Transformation Movement from "The Prayer Farm" in Oklahoma, helping women live Healthy, Fit, & Free.

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The Hidden "Yoke" of Yoga
For many Christians, yoga is a gray area. It’s just stretching. Dr. Laurette challenges this cultural norm with compassion and clarity. As a former insider who spent 22 years in the New Age movement, she explains that "Yoga" is a Sanskrit word meaning "to yoke." The question we must ask is: To whom are we yoking ourselves?
During the interview, I shared my own experience of seeing into the spirit realm while a friend practiced yoga. I watched her spirit "open up" in a way that left her vulnerable. Dr. Laurette confirmed this, explaining that many poses are designed to be offerings to Hindu deities.

But God is a Redeemer. He doesn't want us to stop moving; He wants us to move with purpose. Dr. Laurette introduces us to PraiseMoves, where postures are "redeemed." Instead of emptying the mind (which creates a vacuum), we fill the mind with Scripture while moving the body. It’s not just fitness; it’s living, moving meditation.

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This is where the episode takes a fascinating turn into "Quantum thinking." We often quote Romans 12:2 about renewing our minds, but Dr. Laurette explains the biology behind it. It’s called Neuroplasticity.
Your brain is not concrete; it’s clay. Every time you think a thought or crave a comfort food, you are carving a neural pathway. If you are stuck in cycles of anxiety or emotional eating, it’s because you have a "superhighway" built for that trauma.

Dr. Laurette walked us through a powerful tool called the "Pen Exercise." It uses bilateral brain stimulation (passing an object from hand to hand) combined with the declaration of 1 Corinthians 6:12 ("All things are lawful, but I will not be brought under the power of any"). By engaging both hemispheres of the brain while speaking Truth, you physically interrupt the craving circuit. It’s a "Holy Ghost brainwashing" that breaks the loop in seconds!

We don't diet; we live it. Diets are temporary; the Temple is eternal." — Dr. Laurette Willis

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00:00 – Introduction: Being Spiritually BRAVE with Your Body
02:52 – Dr. Laurette’s Testimony: The April Fool's Day Rescue from New Age
12:20 – Christian Yoga vs. PraiseMoves: Exposing the Counterfeit Yoke
30:30 – Neuroscience & Weight Loss Without Willpower: Retraining the Brain
36:37 – Live Demo: Bilateral Brain Stimulation to Stop Cravings (The Pen Exercise)
40:51 – Vision Boards Redeemed: From New Age to Genesis 15
46:06 – The Biology of Belief: How Words Rewire DNA
51:11 – Holy Ghost Brainwashing: Casting Down Toxic Thoughts
53:40 – The 5 Dailies: Faith-Fueled Transformation & Living Without Dieting
57:35 – Closing Prayer for Healing & Wholeness

Worry is just meditating on the devil's thoughts. Flip the script and meditate on the Word." — Dr. Laurette Willis

Conclusion: Your Body is a Weapon of Worship
Whether you are dealing with a recurring addiction, physical pain, or just confusion about how to care for your temple, this episode is your permission slip to invite Jesus into your biology. He wants to heal your spirit, soul, and body.
As Dr. Laurette reminded us, the enemy pushes, but the Good Shepherd leads. Let Him lead you into a movement that heals.

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"How many times have we asked God something and we're waiting? But as soon as we move... how easy it is to hear His voice speak and vibrate through us."
— Kristen Wambach (Ep. 258 Why I Quit Yoga)

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Thank you very much for taking the time to read and listen with me.
Continueing my Quest to answer 70 of the most asked questions by famous Interviewer's and Podcasters.
Last Week's Deep Dive
Today's Question in the area of Relationships:
Is this relationship going in the direction you want it to go?

I have been married for 42 years and counting, going in the direction you want??? Highly depends on which direction I am "going."
Am I a good friend? and being friendly?
Am I a good wife? And have I communicated (Clarified "Wifely" duties in this season)
Do I like myself, and in "liking" me, enjoy Don's company. And sometimes "company" means we plan the date nights!
I think you get the idea... if we include our "Going & Direction" as part of our relationship, then we stay in communication with OUR journey.

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I want to hear from YOU. This episode was packed with so much revelation—from the "hidden yoke" of yoga to the biological breakthrough of the "Pen Exercise." But the most powerful part of this podcast is when we turn it into a community conversation.
I’d love to know in the comments:

The "Pen Exercise" Test: Did you try Dr. Laurette’s bilateral brain stimulation tool during the episode? Did you feel a shift in your craving or anxiety? Tell me what happened!
The Yoga Pivot: Have you ever felt a "check" in your spirit regarding yoga, or was this episode a new perspective for you? I’d love to hear your thoughts on "redeeming the posture."
Your Declaration: Are you claiming the "Caleb Anointing" for your health? Type "I AM SPIRITUALLY BRAVE" in the comments to seal that declaration today!

Don't be shy—your story might be the exact key that unlocks freedom for someone else reading this thread. Let’s bridge the gap together! 👇

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Bridging Grief and Glory: Finding Oneness and Supernatural Peace in Loss | with Michelle Bader Ebersole ❖ 251

12/18/2025

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What we feel, God can heal. If you do not let yourself feel it, you will not heal. Your healing is too important to care what anybody thinks." —Michelle Bader Ebersole

Bridging Grief & Glory

What we feel, God can heal. If you do not let yourself feel it, you will not heal. Your healing is too important to care what anybody thinks." - Michelle Bader Ebersole
EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS

Supernatural Identity in Crisis: The unedited revelation in times of deep loss is recognizing your core identity as a "Daughter of the King," a truth that supersedes the temporary identity of a wife.

The Tangible Bubble of Peace: God provides a "supernatural peace that passes all understanding," which can feel like a tangible, protective bubble during the most devastating moments.
Oneness and Quantum Grief: The experience of being spiritually "inside" a spouse during their passing affirms the concept of Oneness (One Spirit, One Flesh) and introduces a quantum reality where deep pain and God's presence coexist simultaneously.
Grief is Not Linear: The grief process is not a rigid set of stages but rather comes in waves. The focus should be on what you do with the time, not how much time has passed.
Feeling Leads to Healing: The core truth is: "What we feel, God can heal." Suppression only prolongs the grief; true healing requires allowing yourself to feel the pain, regardless of the setting.
Eternal Perspective and Healing: Releasing the need to know the "why" of the loss, accepting that "If God allowed it, I can accept it," and focusing on the hope of eternity are crucial for drawing closer to God.
Holidays and New Traditions: Navigating holidays requires making a conscious plan, saying "no" to obligations, and blending old traditions with new ones to create memories that honor the lost loved one without painful comparison.

Don't miss this episode! Widow and Certified Grief Specialist Michelle Bader Ebersole reveals the supernatural peace and divine purpose found in loss. Learn to live Spiritually BRAVE, embrace your identity as a Daughter of the King, and unlock the healing truth: "What we feel, God can heal."

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Summary
In this heartfelt conversation, Kristen Wambach and Michelle Bader Ebersole explore the profound journey of grief and healing after the loss of a loved one. Michelle shares her personal experience of becoming a widow at 41 and the revelations she encountered about her identity and faith during this challenging time. The discussion delves into the importance of community support, the myths surrounding grief, and the necessity of feeling emotions to facilitate healing. They also touch on the impact of holidays on those grieving and the significance of creating new traditions. Michelle emphasizes the role of faith in navigating grief and how it can lead to a renewed purpose in life, ultimately encouraging listeners to embrace their journey with hope and love.

The most immediate and unedited revelation I received about who God says I am, was that I was a Daughter of the King." - Michelle Bader Ebersole's

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Unedited Revelation: The Daughter of the KingWhen Michelle’s world instantly shattered, losing her husband, her whole identity felt stripped away. Yet, in that void, an unedited revelation emerged: she was first and foremost a Daughter of the King. This profound truth, woven into our discussion, serves as a powerful anchor. Michelle shared, "My whole identity was stripped from me. I was no longer a wife... I drew closer to Jesus than I ever had in my whole life because I had nothing else. I would say Daughter of the King really is who I felt like I was." This is the ultimate Christian spiritual growth moment—when all earthly supports are gone, the truth of our Sonship remains.

The Quantum Reality of Peace and Pain
We explored the mysterious, tangible experience of God’s presence in the midst of tragedy. Michelle described a "supernatural peace" that covered her during her husband's final moments—a bubble protecting her from the overload of the moment. Further deepening this mystical Christian podcast theme, she shared a visionary experience where she was brought into her husband's body, feeling his profound peace and seeing Jesus clearly.

This testimony speaks directly to the concept of Oneness (our Oneness with Christ and with our spouse). My own spiritual experience affirms this quantum thinking: "The experience of being spiritually in my husband’s body during his passing speaks to the whole idea of being one flesh and one spirit... we can literally be inside our spouse." Grief, in this light, is a simultaneity of reality—deep human pain coexisting with divine, supernatural access.

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We have to let go of the 'why.' If God allowed it, I can accept it because I believe He has my best in mind and wants me to flourish." -Michelle Bader Ebersole's

Widow Goals: Steps to Finding Peace When You Lose Your Spouse is a tender, faith-filled guide for anyone who feels lost after losing the person they loved most. If you're wondering how to breathe again, how to move forward when your world has fallen apart, this book was written for you.
After losing her husband of 17 years, Michelle Bader Ebersole walked through the heartbreak, loneliness, and overwhelming questions that grief brings. Through the deepest valley, she discovered a powerful truth: God had not abandoned her—and He hasn’t abandoned you either.
In Widow Goals, Michelle shares thirty heartfelt steps rooted in Scripture, personal experience, and real hope. Each chapter is an invitation to take a small step forward—even on the days when healing feels impossible.

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Isolation is the enemy's way to keep us from our healing and our destiny. We must choose freedom over the chains of dark depression." -Michelle Bader Ebersole's

What We Feel, God Can Heal
A core message for Christian personal development came from Michelle’s work as a grief counselor: "Grief comes in waves out of nowhere. If you do not let yourself feel it, you won’t heal." The biggest myth is the urge to "keep busy" and stuff the grief down. Michelle offers a practical spirituality key: "What we feel, God can heal."

This requires courage—the courage to cry in the grocery store, in church, or wherever the wave hits. Our healing is too important to worry about what anyone else thinks. Furthermore, we must address the feeling of abandonment that loss can bring. For those who feel angry or distant from God, Michelle stresses the importance of letting go of the need for the "why." Instead, embrace the acceptance that "If God allowed it, I can accept it." This shift in rhema mind over logos mind brings us closer to the heart of the Father.

Navigating the Holidays with Heavenly Wisdom
As we approach the holiday season, a time often magnifying the hole left by a loved one, Michelle offered heavenly wisdom for Spirit-led living. The key is to mix old traditions with new ones. Doing something completely different, like having pizza at a Great Wolf Lodge instead of a traditional Thanksgiving, or adding a ritual like sharing a memory while eating Christmas morning cinnamon rolls, can transform pain into a new, honoring memory.

Crucially, friends must support the grieving by marking important dates—the death anniversary, the wedding anniversary—on their calendars. A simple reach out on the hardest days is a lifeline.

Grief is not a linear set of stages, but it comes in waves out of nowhere. The most important thing you can do is feel it." - Michelle Bader Ebersole's

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CHAPTERS

🧭 Chapters00:00 Introduction and Prayer: Welcome, Prayer, Holy Spirit, Loving Kindness
03:20 Meeting Michelle Bader Ebersole: Guest Intro, Widow Goals, Widowed 2 Soon Podcast, Spiritually Brave
04:40 Identity After Loss: Identity Stripped, Daughter of the King, Supernatural Peace, Oneness
07:41 Experiencing Peace in Grief: Supernatural Peace, Protected Bubble, Calmness, Wailing, Healing
11:43 Visions and Spiritual Encounters: Ascended Life, Seeing Spirits, Chosen, Redemption, Divine Gift
14:18 Understanding Grief and Healing: Quantum Thinking, Time vs. Action, Grief Myths, Feel to Heal, No Stages
19:38 The Nature of Grief: Waves of Grief, Triggers, Comparison, Community, Strength
20:29 Grief as a Change in Patterns: Grief Definition, Life Changes, Grief Recovery, All are Grievers
23:31 Eternal Perspective in Grief: Jesus the Healer, Hope of Eternity, Imagine Heaven, Fallen World
26:18 Overcoming Fear in Grief: Fear, Isolation, Healing Obstacles, Letting Go, Attention
27:34 The Role of Community in Healing: Isolation, Church Support, Widows, Nonprofit, Support Groups
29:14 Bridging the Gap with God: Anger in Loss, Letting Go of Why, God Allowed It, Acceptance
30:43 Supporting Children Through Grief: Two Kinds of Grief, Normalizing Emotions, Open Communication, Self-Care
34:07 Navigating Holidays After Loss: Hardest Time, Mix Old/New Traditions, Making Plans, Death Anniversaries
42:27 Finding New Purpose After Loss: Holy Spirit Preparation, Second Marriage, Ministry Calling, Widow Goals Nonprofit
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Your God-Inspired DNA Calling
Michelle’s journey led her to start the Widow Goals ministry, demonstrating that no pain is wasted. Her loss became her God-inspired DNA calling. Her marriage to Joel, a supportive partner, allowed her to transition into full-time ministry. This is the healing and transformation podcast message: God will redeem and restore what was lost, expanding your heart for both new love and expanded purpose.

Let's conclude with my personal reminder: "God is gooder. He's better than my current bandwidth of Him." Allow the goodness of God to expand your understanding today. Turn aside, notice Him, and let Him fill you with His divine wisdom.

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My favorite personal quote right now is 'God is gooder. He's better than my current bandwidth of Him.' All I have to do is turn aside, like Moses at the burning bush, and it avails myself to feel His goodness." - Kristen Wambach

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Happy Christmas, Interviewing Jesus Family! Thank you for joining me on my Quest to answer 70 of the most asked questions by famous interviewers and podcasters. Last Week's Challenge
Today's Question: What is the most crucial trait someone needs to possess in your role?
God's ear!

Ready to start feeling so you can heal? Take a moment this week to intentionally allow yourself to feel any underlying grief or change in your life. Write down the quote, "What we feel, God can heal," and put it where you can see it daily. Then, visit the show notes to connect with Michelle Bader Ebersole and explore her incredible resources at widowgoals.org.

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Stop Hammering Yourself | Finding Joy & Grace in Your Christmas Toolkit ❖ 250

12/13/2025

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"Our greatest fear should not be of failure but of succeeding at things that don't really matter." — Francis Chan

Christmas Toolkit

EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS

Drop the Hammer: Stop measuring your worth by your holiday performance. Practice self-compassion and apply grace to yourself before anyone else this season.
Value the Value: Prioritize the reason for your activities (love, connection, celebration of Jesus) over the perfect execution of the tasks.
Measurement is God’s Belief: Your worth is defined by Christ’s gift and the extravagant grace He has infused into you, not by your to-do list.

His Faith is Your Mechanism: Jesus’s faith lives on the inside of you, moving the mechanism of grace and making you equally advantaged in God’s love.
You Are Infused with Grace: God is head over heels in love with you, and His favor is attached to you on both your good days and your not-so-good days.

Thank you for joining me today on the Interviewing Jesus Podcast. That toolkit just keeps getting fuller and fuller every time we open it up! Thank God he never tires of reminding us of the powerful tools of his love—the grace he gives so freely.

Hello festive souls! As the twinkling lights adorn our streets, the air fills with the scent of pine, and the holiday season whirls into full swing, many of us find ourselves caught in a cycle of activity and expectation. Christmas, a season meant for unbridled joy and togetherness, can often feel overwhelmingly stressful. But what if we told you there’s a way to unlock joy even when the pressure builds? Welcome back to the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, where we’re revisiting our Christmas Stressless Toolkit—a gentle guide to help you find calm and divine wisdom amidst the holiday hustle. Today, we are blending practical steps and profound reflection, inspired by the hands of our perfect carpenter, Jesus, to transform stress into genuine celebration.

Remember, we put the hammer away and we do not disqualify ourselves from all of the goodness that Jesus has given us on our not so good days. That's when we really need him. Amen."—Kristen Wambach

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In this episode, host Kristen Wambach uses a metaphorical toolkit—featuring a hammer, a measuring tape, and a screwdriver—to address the pervasive issue of self-inflicted pressure during the holidays. Kristen encourages listeners to stop using the metaphorical "hammer" on themselves by setting impossibly high standards and instead, to apply extra grace. Drawing on Ephesians 4 (from the Mere Translation), she reveals that meekness, tenderness, and compassion are already woven into our spiritual fabric. The measuring tape’s true function is to show that our worth is defined solely by the extravagant dimensions of Christ’s grace—not by performance or a holiday to-do list. The episode powerfully reminds us that God is "head over heels in love with you," infusing us with grace and that His faith is the moving mechanism of our identity and worth, making us "equally advantaged" in His love, regardless of a "good day or a not so good day."

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A man who is a master of patience is master of everything else." - George Savile

The season of giving often becomes the season of doing. We find ourselves in a whirlwind, and inevitably, that stress starts to show up. In our Christmas Stressless Toolkit, the first item we pull out is the hammer. This is a tool we use frequently for decorating—tacking up garland and hanging wreaths. But we need to ask ourselves a crucial question: Are you using this metaphorical hammer on yourself?

With that measuring tape, our measurement is about what
God believes about you and I. It's about what HE believes." —Kristen Wambach

Many of us are hard on ourselves, placing towering expectations, especially in a season dedicated to serving others. If you’ve ever been the last person you dole out a little extra grace to, this conversation is for you. Our to-do lists can quickly monopolize our brain space. Kristen suggests a helpful tip: take a moment to list out your Christmas activities, but then value the reason for them. Value the value in your gatherings. When you highlight the joy—the celebration of Jesus’s birthday in an attitude of togetherness—you see the purpose behind the pressure. Note to self: hammers are not intended for human use. We must put that tool away and refuse to come down hard on ourselves.

Next, we discover the measuring tape and screwdriver. This is where we talk to Jesus, the perfect carpenter. The Apostle Paul, in Ephesians 4 (Mere Translation), speaks of how our spiritual makeup is already attached, bound, and woven with meekness and tenderness. This enables us to show compassion—even to those irritating issues, and most importantly, compassion to self.

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Note to self, hammers are not intended for human use... Do you ever find that you're using this metaphorical hammer on yourself? What do I mean? Are you being hard on you?" —Kristen Wambach

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00:00 Finding Joy Amidst Holiday Stress, Kristen Wambach podcast, Practical spirituality podcast, Connecting with God
01:44 The Christmas Stressless Toolkit, Interviewing Jesus Podcast, Bridging heaven and earth podcast, Christian spiritual growth
03:56 Tools for Self-Compassion, Divine wisdom, Spiritually brave living expert, Authentic spiritual discussions
08:14 Measuring Grace and Compassion, Applying biblical principles, Understanding the Holy Spirit,
12:05 Embracing God's Love and Favor, Transforming spiritual leader, Healing and transformation podcast, Finding purpose through faith
15:13 Mary's Song of Praise, Spiritual awakening podcast, Conversations with Jesus, Daily spiritual wisdom
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The measuring tape has a profound spiritual meaning. Our measurement is not based on how many tasks we complete or how perfectly we execute the holidays. Our measurement is about what God believes about you and I. It’s about His faith, which resides on the inside of you. The gift of Christ measures the extravagant dimensions of grace, where every single person is equally advantaged. Our individual value is defined by His gift, not by our performance on a good day or a not-so-good day.

Remembering the story of Mary, who was told by the angel Gabriel to have no fear because "God is head over heels in love with you," we grasp the sheer magnitude of our infused grace. Like Mary, we are mystically captured by a dream, a desire, a hope God has placed within us. Jesus’s love and grace are the best measurements attached to our lives.

The episode closes with a beautiful, personalized adaptation of Mary’s Song of Praise (Luke 1:46-54): “My spirit bursts with joy over my life-giving God, for he set his tender gaze upon me... I have been favored and blessed.” This is a powerful declaration of your innate worth and God's unwavering presence.

This Christmas, let us put the hammer away. Let us measure our lives by the extravagant dimensions of grace that Jesus has already bound and woven into our very being. Your toolkit is already full of the power of His love.

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Dear family, God is head over heels in love with you and the extravagant favor of God infuses you with grace. The Lord is with you on your good days and you're not so good today." —Kristen Wambach

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It's Christmas

What is my favorite Christmas Memory?
So many to choose from, today -
Years ago, I volunteered to be the bell ringer for Salvation Army Donation sites, the red bucket and bell you hear, which brings in the holiday spirit. I sang Christmas carols until I couldn't sing anymore... such a joy to put a smile on people's faces, sing their personal favorite by request, and give my beloved talents to the community.

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Regulate First: Bridging Biology & Belief for Supernatural Peace with Dr. Melanie Gray ❖ 249

12/11/2025

"If you've ever felt like you are praying for victory instead of praying from victory, or if you're trying to carry supernatural glory in a body that feels burned out and dysregulated, this episode is your answer."

Supernatural PEACE

EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS

The difference between a naturally "dysregulated" nervous system and a spiritual blockage, and how to discern the two.
Why the pursuit of "resilience" (bouncing back) is a worldly approach that interferes with resting in God and Shalom (steady, homeostatic peace).

Dr. Gray's practical
STOP IT framework for intentionality, surrendering control, and prioritizing God's presence.
How unresolved trauma manifests as spiritual struggle (disconnection, unforgiveness) and how physical regulation paves the way for emotional and spiritual healing.
The tangible power of praise and worship is the highest form of prayer to shift your body's frequency and usher in healing.
The importance of trusting God by dying to the flesh's need for control and the need to be "busy."
A simple, three-minute nervous system technique to quickly settle your body and connect to the feeling of peace.

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Stop scrolling and hit play! If you’re tired of the exhausting cycle of spiritual striving and physical burnout, this conversation will rewire your thinking and your nervous system. Dr. Melanie Gray is revealing the secret to living in Shalom—a steady, homeostatic balance of peace.
Click play now to stop surviving and start thriving in the Oneness of His presence!

We're not talking about... resilience, that's the world perspective. When we are stabilized in Christ, we're moving in Him... in a steady, homeostatic balance of peace and rest." --Dr. Melanie Gray

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👑 Regulate First: The Biological Secret to Praying From VictoryWe often hear the call to walk in Kingdom Authority and carry supernatural glory. Yet, many high-performance individuals, aspiring entrepreneurs, and seekers of deeper spiritual truths find themselves struggling with burnout, anxiety, and a persistent feeling of being "stuck." Is it a lack of faith? A spiritual blockage? According to Dr. Melanie Gray, this struggle often has a biological root. Our conversation on the Interviewing Jesus Podcast reveals the profound truth: we must Regulate First—aligning our biological operating system (our nervous system) with the peace of Christ—before we can effectively lead or walk in spiritual power. The word, as Dr. Gray reminds us, "is not a sword until your voice uses it."

In order to regulate, we need to know the word. You need at least one scripture anchor you can hold on to today." --Dr. Melanie Gray

🧠 The Gap Between Biology and BeliefDr. Gray posits that what we frequently mistake for spiritual failure is simply a nervous system stuck in dysregulation or survival mode. Our biological enemy to the Biblical concept of Shalom (peace, wholeness) is a dysregulated body reacting to the stress of this world. When our nervous system is constantly on high alert, our focus naturally turns to the flesh—the aches, the worries, the pains—just as the world system teaches us.

But as believers, we are called to a higher standard: to walk by faith and not by sight. The key to closing this gap is knowing the Word of God. If we do not have scripture anchors to meditate on and keep our hearts and minds stayed on Him, our nervous system will default to the fear-based programming of the world. To regulate ourselves is to intentionally surrender and trust that the wonder-working power of the Word is active in our lives, regardless of how we feel.

The word is not a sword until your voice uses it." —Dr. Melanie Gray

🚫 Rejecting Resilience for Resting in GodFor the intuitive and high-performance listener, the world promotes the myth of resilience—a sophisticated suffering that requires constantly "sucking it up" and "bouncing back." Dr. Gray encourages us to reject this, viewing it as an interference with true rest in God. Resilience keeps us in a cycle of chaos and recovery, never truly stable.

Instead, when we are stabilized in Christ, we operate in a homeostatic balance of peace and rest. We don't have to bounce back; we are already moving in Him. This shift means letting go of control and trusting His provision over our striving.

Be still, and know that I am God."
– Psalm 46:10

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Chapters
00:00 Bridging Biology and Belief: Why the Body of Christ Needs Nervous System Regulation now for Supernatural Wisdom and Spiritual Awakening
04:24 The Power of a Regulated Presence: How Contagious Calm unlocks Hearing God's Voice and walking in Divine Wisdom
06:12 Understanding Dysregulation and Spiritual Blockages: Discerning if your struggle is a lack of Faith Journey or a nervous system stuck in survival mode
08:46 Rejecting Resilience: A New Perspective: Why "Sucking it Up" is sophisticated suffering and interferes with Resting in God
10:51 Framework for Resting in God: Introducing the STOP IT Framework (Scan, Tell, On Your Note, Prioritize, Intentionality, Transforming) for Spirit-Led Living
12:49 Trauma-Informed Spirituality: How unresolved trauma manifests as disconnection and the role of regulation in Healing and Transformation Podcast
16:35 Engaging with God's Peace: The practical application of Praise and Worship as the highest form of prayer to shift your body's frequency
21:12 Creating a Tangible Experience of God's Presence: The importance of intentionally making space and atmosphere for connection and Mystical Christian Podcast insights
23:40 The Importance of Being Present: Escaping the busyness that steals your focus and practicing Daily Spiritual Wisdom through meditation
27:51 Choosing Rest Over Toil: Why being burnt out is not from God, and how to surrender your striving to pursue your God-Inspired DNA Calling
28:46 The Call to Trust and Dependence: Navigating vulnerable seasons by dying to the "I" and embracing total reliance on Christ
30:19 Navigating Vulnerability and Trust: Asking the core question: How do I trust you today? to step into the Fullness of who I AM
32:11 Seeking God's Heart for Others: Moving beyond self-focus to asking God for His heart to serve and align with Restoration of All Things
35:35 Understanding Safety Through Faith: How the Power of the Blood and the authority of the Word create a safe biological and spiritual canopy
38:17 The Power of Silence and Prayer: Being comfortable with the silence of God and the role of Praying in the Holy Spirit without ceasing
42:39 Embracing God's Presence and Worship: A final look at how a Spiritually BRAVE life requires conscious acknowledgment and release of feelings to God
46:20 Connecting with Dr. Melanie Gray: Resources and information on her book Regulate First, Lead Second, and her Trusted Christian Voice
49:14 Understanding Spiritual Blockages and Biology: Kristen Wambach's final thoughts on discerning between spiritual lack and biological need (Bridging Heaven and Earth Podcast)
50:08 Shifting from Survival Mode to Faith: The decision to Rewrite Your Life by rewiring your response from fear to faith
51:03 Tools for Calming the Nervous System: Practical application of the 3-minute technique to achieve Supernatural Peace
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🛑 The STOP IT Framework: A Practical KeyTo facilitate this vital shift, Dr. Gray offered a brilliant framework: STOP IT.

S - Scan: Recognize when you are not walking in His presence.
T - Tell the Truth: Confess the need to surrender and acknowledge any misalignment.
O - On Your Note: Say no to everything pulling you out of His presence.
P - Prioritize: Prioritize the Word, His presence, and your relationship with Him.
I - Intentionality: Be intentional about seeking a deeper relationship with the Lord.
T - Transforming: Be continually available to look more like Jesus.

This framework is a powerful practical tool for engaging with His presence and stepping out of the busyness that is not always productive activity.

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🙏 Trauma, Praise, and the Power of His PresenceFor those grappling with unresolved trauma, the path to spiritual healing begins with recognizing that Christ is the ultimate Redeemer.
Trauma can make us feel disconnected from God or see Him as a threat
Yet, Christ is the freedom bearer and true healer.
A key practical application for connecting our body to His presence is praise and worship. Praise is the highest form of prayer because it is an act of radical trust. It shifts our bodily frequency. When we worship, we are declaring, "I love you more than the pain I'm feeling right now." We lift Him until our body catches up with the truth of the Word.

His presence is a tangible reality, a feeling of safety that expands the heart and rests the thoughts. Whether in a dedicated "altar" or in the car, God wants to meet us. Our ultimate safety is found under the canopy of His blood and His love, understanding that "his blood covers us... it broke every chain."

The greatest act of faith is to simply stay still." – A.W. Tozer

🎯 Call to Action: As you go about your week, I want to challenge you: When you feel that old pattern come up, pause (use the breathing technique!), and ask yourself, "Is this a spiritual lack, or does my nervous system need the safety of God's Word right now?" Let's stop surviving and start thriving in the Oneness of His presence. Thank you so much for joining me on this journey of Interviewing Jesus. He is so awesome. Amen. Until next time, keep asking the questions that rewrite your life, and remember to stay Spiritually BRAVE. I love you so much, and I will talk to you again real soon. Bye now.

"His presence is always there, and it's living between your belly button and your heart. It's right there in the fullness of God, our spirit is. It’s not as if we have to drum it up. We don't have to flap our wings and all of a sudden say, 'Presence of God, come down.' No, we just have to be present."— Kristen Wambach

MEET THE BLOGGER >

Continuing my Quest to answer 70 of the most asked questions by famous podcasters and Interviewers. Catch up on Last Week.

Today: Can you share your top three book recommendations for the audience?
Seer by James Goll
Leaving and Finding Jesus by Jason Clark
And my Newest Book is around the corner
How Good is God?

Let us choose to stop toiling and start resting. Let us move from the mindset of being busy to being present, knowing that our stillness and surrender will bring about a far greater, supernatural result than our striving ever could. Stay Spiritually Brave!

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The 10-Minute Activation That Stops Holiday Stress COLD (Your CALM Toolkit) | FESTIVE MANNA MASHUP a soul food collection ❖ 248

12/4/2025

The 10-Minute Activation That Stops Holiday Stress COLD (Your CALM Toolkit) | MANNA MASHUP a soul food collection ❖ 248 Interviewing Jesus Podcast with Kristen Wambach

"Cherish your visions and your dreams as they are the children of your soul, the blueprints of your ultimate achievements." —Napoleon Hill

Christmas ToolKit

🎙️ EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS

The key to surviving the holidays is to Cherish the Moment (C) and prioritize taking care of yourself first.
Jesus carries your burdens (tears and concerns) in His heart pocket, and nothing is impossible while sitting in His love.

We can Attune to Joy (A) by celebrating small, mundane accomplishments (like finishing the laundry) as if we were serving royalty.
The most significant step toward peace is to Let Go of Perfection (L), recognizing that real life is beautifully imperfect.
Mindful Giving (M) means focusing on the thoughtful gesture and the time invested, not the dollar amount, because the feeling of being "truly seen" is the gift that resides on the inside.

In this festive episode, Kristen Wambach guides listeners through a toolkit designed to alleviate Christmas stress. She introduces the CALM acronym, emphasizing the importance of cherishing moments, self-care, and letting go of perfection. Through personal anecdotes and spiritual insights, she encourages listeners to navigate the holiday season with grace and joy, while also highlighting the significance of community and support during this busy time.

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Take care of you first. That is most important because when you take care of you, you have more energy, more flow, more restraint, more collectiveness, more balance to do your day." —Kristen Wambach

Hey there, family! I hope this message finds you wrapped in the warmth and joy of the holiday season. We are pulling out the bells and whistles today to gain a little extra balance because, let’s be honest, are you seeing any signs of stress?

I have a little funny story that happened just last week while my pumpkin pies were in the oven. We were stuffing the turkey at my mom's house when her 17-year-old terrier showed up on the porch covered in mud. I thought, "No problem, let me go wipe her off so she can come in." But as I was wiping her, the thought hit me: this isn't just regular mud. She had taken a little adventure into the cow field and was totally covered in cow poo! Oh, my goodness. Now, sometimes life just throws us a few curve balls, even during the holidays. Today, we are locked and loaded with two powerful points, including a yummy meditation you can revisit throughout the season. So let's open our toolbox—we're going to be empowered!

25 Advent Christmas Post by Kristen Wambach

Highlight Subjects

The Core of Stress-Busting: Taking Care of You First
The Power of Presence: The 10-Minute Communion Activation
Finding Peace: Prioritizing the Root Cause
The CALM Acronym: Cherish, Attune, Let Go, Mindful
The Gift of the Present Moment: Real Life is Beautifully Imperfect

🔑 Two Easy Points for Stress-Busting
Let's do some stress busting early, early, early. Here are two easy points for you:

Number One: Take Care of You First.
I know we get busy, but keep the habit. Take care of you first thing every day. Don't let your self-care take a back seat this month. Check it off first thing in the morning. Drink plenty of water. Stretch. Go take a walk. Take care of you first. That is most important because when you take care of you, you have more energy, more flow, more restraint, more collectiveness, and more balance to do your day.

Let me add a couple of relieving stress options. A couple of weeks ago, I started to stretch before I went to bed. It’s wonderful. It opens up my body to relax. Easy, gentle stretches and deep breathing, twisting out your back and turning your neck, just so all the energies of the day can be released. We descend into a peaceful night's sleep.

Activation: Sitting at the Table with Jesus
Sometimes, don't you find yourself tired, but there's still more of the day to accomplish? I have something so good for you. I want you to find a cozy place to recline. Set aside about 10 minutes. You can set a timer for about 10 minutes. We're just going to enter into His presence together. Close your eyes and breathe in and out through your nose.

In your mind's eye, step into the Spirit. Jesus takes your hand, and we step into the Kingdom of Heaven with Him. Imagine a country lodge. It’s snowing outside. A fire is cracking in the fireplace. There's a huge dining table set in the center, and Christmas stockings—an odd collection, personalized by Jesus for His family—are hung on the mantle. You are included.

Now, sit down at the table with Jesus. Acknowledge His invitation. Allow your spirit to see Him. His smile is intoxicating; He is so delighted to meet with you. He asks you to share communion with Him.

Before serving the bread, Jesus reaches into His shirt pocket and pulls out a small vial. He says, "Here in this bottle is where I’ve collected every one of your tears. No prayer, emotion, concern, or tear do I ever misplace." He asks you to write out one concern on the notepad beside you. When finished, you rip it out and stick it in His heart pocket, right next to the vial of tears. He smiles and says, "The room feels lighter, doesn't it? Nothing is impossible while sitting in the love of God."

Then, He breaks the bread—His broken body, all the nutrients you need for life, joy, and wellness. He picks up your empty wine glass, picks up His own, and pours its entire contents into yours. "Drink this. Feel it burst in your mouth... This is My love, which is poured out continuously for you. Whatever needs filling, healing, transforming, I will fill."

Number Two: Peaceful You.
Prioritize the day. What is at the top of the list that brings you the most peace? For me, my house being a Christmas decorating bomb dislocates my organizational dingers. When I listen to my spirit, I’m told: take care of the root cause, and the rest of the day will smooth itself out. For me, messiness and clutter was a root cause that made me touchy and irritated, where overwhelm seemed to come and camp out.

When we prioritize the root cause, even for 10 minutes a day (like working on the decorating), it leaves us feeling empowered and makes our day peaceful.

a FESTIVE WATCH LIVE RECORDING

Chapters
00:00 Holiday Stress Relief and Encouragement: Spiritual Balance and Awareness
04:41 Christian Self-Care During the Holidays: Why Prioritizing You is Essential
06:33 10-Minute Activation: Communion Meditation and Spiritual Connection
16:26 Finding Peace: Prioritizing Tasks and Addressing the Root Cause of Stress
19:19 Unwrapping CALM: A Festive Introduction to Your Stress-Less Toolkit
21:14 CALM - C: Cherishing the Moment (How to Embrace the Present Moment)
24:01 CALM - A: Attuning to Joy (Finding Happiness and Celebrating Small Wins in Chaos)
27:00 CALM - L: Letting Go of Perfection (Embracing Imperfection and Lowering Standards)
35:44 CALM - M: Mindful Giving (The Heart of the Holiday Spirit & Thoughtful Gestures)

Sharing the starting line helps you see the finished goal, Coaching Kristen Wambach

This message provides two vital points for stress-busting: first, prioritizing personal self-care, and second, finding peace by addressing root causes of stress. The core strength is the 10-minute communion activation, where Jesus lovingly collects our tears and concerns, ensuring us that He attends to them right from His heart pocket, confirming that nothing is impossible when we sit in the love of God. This encouragement is designed to give you balance, flow, and restraint to navigate the festive season victoriously.

Cherish your vision and your dreams as they are the children of your soul, the blueprints of your ultimate achievements." —Kristen Wambach

Wasn’t that activation, communion, and prayer life-giving? Yes, do it again, Jesus. I so treasure these moments where Jesus gathers our hearts together, and we get to commune in His presence. It changes the day, doesn’t it? Remember the goodies for December: your stress-less toolbox and mystical tales. I love you so much. Thank you for spending this time with me.

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Finding Joy Under Pressure

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A Wing and a Prayer #1

Perfection is not attainable. But if we chase perfection, we can catch excellence." —Vince Lombardi

Don't wait! Set your timer and re-listen to the 10-minute activation today. Step into His presence and exchange your biggest concern for His peace. Also, be sure to head back to the website to access the 25 Advent Days of Christmas filled with festive goodies and freebies just for you!

MEET THE BLOGGER >

I'm sure you have noticed! My quest is 3/4 of the way complete, Last Week! I am answering 70 of the most asked questions by famous podcasters and interviewers. This week: How are you different than other thought leaders in your space?
"My approach is fundamentally relational and experiential.

Unlike many thought leaders who focus on interpretation, I offer the raw, honest story: the moment Jesus revealed a breakthrough, the exact experience where a revelation was taught. That is the essence of being Spiritually BRAVE—sharing the how of the heavenly wisdom. Plus, my work naturally spans different fields, from being an entrepreneur and author to a podcaster, because my relationship with Jesus informs every area of my life."

"And there you have it, family! You have just armed yourself with the CALM acronym—your complete spiritual toolkit for navigating the holiday chaos. By listening today, you have replaced overwhelm with flow and restraint, learned why self-care is your greatest gift, and gained the spiritual freedom of letting go of perfection. Crucially, you experienced the 10-minute communion activation where you handed your tears and heaviest burdens directly to Jesus, guaranteeing you walk away with His peace and unending love. Remember, you are the first person you need to cherish. I bless you to have a wonderfully happy, stress-less Christmas, infused with grace. Don't let this feeling fade—re-listen to that activation today, and check the show notes for the 25 Advent Days of Christmas goodies! I love you so much.

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Daughtership and Destiny: Keys to Unlocking the Confidence the World is Waiting For with Elaine Lankford ❖ 247

11/27/2025

70 Miles for a Mentor? Mary walked 70 miles just to connect with Elizabeth. Stop waiting for affirmation—find the woman who will empower the miracle you're carrying. This is how women raise up women.
—Elaine Lankford

EMPOWER THE MIRACLE

EPISODES HIGHLIGHTS

The Power of Divine Interruption: God will intentionally disrupt a comfortable, successful life (e.g., job loss, family illness) to save you and redirect your focus when your centeredness on Christ has shifted.

Pain is the Catalyst for Purpose: Opposition and rejection (even church hurt) are opportunities. The pain is not wasted; it's the thorns in the nest that force the eaglet to fly and discover a greater, global purpose.
Flipping the Hurt: To overcome hurt, one must dig deep into why the hurt occurred (the "turt turt"). When you concentrate on the path God has set you on, the bitterness of past rejection lessens.
Daughtership is Divine Authority: The most empowering truth is understanding the Sonship/Daughtership mandate: You are the head and not the tail, above and not beneath. This instant shift in focus moves women from feeling unqualified to operating in divine authority.
The Elizabeth and Mary Model: This biblical narrative illustrates the power of female connection. Mary was prophesied over, empowered, and encouraged by Elizabeth, who helped her prepare for the miracle inside her. This is the model for women pulling up women and validating the God-sized dream in each other's "womb."

You can never be more co-raised: The radical Truth that ends self-striving Interviewing Jesus Podcast with Kristen Wambach

Website: She Steps Forward Coaching
Facebook: She Steps Forward
Instagram: She Steps Forward Coaching
She Steps Forward International

Summary
In this episode of the Interviewing Jesus podcast, host Kristen Wambach speaks with Elaine Lankford, a passionate advocate for Christian female entrepreneurs. Elaine shares her transformative journey from nursing to ministry, emphasizing the importance of faith, community, and empowering women to recognize their worth in Christ. The conversation explores overcoming personal challenges, the significance of service, and the impact of church hurt. Elaine discusses her initiatives, including the She Steps Forward Conference and outreach efforts in Kenya, while encouraging women to embrace their God-given potential and confidence.

Our focus today is not on avoiding pain, but on realizing that every piece of rejection, every moment of loss, is a divinely appointed catalyst for your ultimate God-inspired DNA calling.
From Bubble Wrap to Divine InterruptionElaine described her early faith as that of a "bubble wrap Christian"—a life of comfort, integrity, and success. But as Jesus often does, He disrupted the comfortable to reveal a greater truth. After a series of devastating losses—career, family, health—Elaine found herself in ashes. This is where the conversations with Jesus begin. Elaine realized, "God is a good God. Sometimes He sets us down because the Bible tells us He chases and chastises those that He loves."

The key takeaway for your faith journey podcast is this: God was pulling her out to save her and shift her focus back to where it truly belonged. Your career loss, your unexpected change in life pattern—it is all part of a divine sequence proving that nothing is ever wasted.

Opposition is an OpportunityOne of the most challenging barriers to Christian spiritual growth is church hurt. Many feel rejected when their Spirit-led living pushes them beyond traditional church structures. Elaine openly shared the pain of this resistance, but she found the key to freedom: recognizing the "Paul and Peter Calling."

Some are called to be Peters—the cornerstones of the local church. Others, like Elaine, are called to be Pauls—the adventurers sent outside the walls to the community and the nations. She recognized: "I know that I’m called to be a Paul. I respect those who are called to be a Peter. And so just understanding my role in the kingdom assignment is how I move forward."

The rejection you face is not a sign of failure; it is the thorns in the nest that force the eaglet to fly. Elaine’s divine wisdom for those stuck in bitterness is simple: "Don't be bitter in the church hurt. Learn the lesson and look at it as an opportunity. Opposition is an opportunity." Flip the pain on its head, and you will find your purpose.

CONNECT WITH ELAINE LANKFORD

Elaine is a passionate advocate for Christian female entrepreneurs, dedicated to helping them launch and grow successful businesses, ministries, and nonprofits. As the founder of She Steps Forward Coaching and She Steps Forward International, she empowers women to step confidently into their God-sized dreams.

Through She Steps Forward Coaching, Elaine offers targeted strategic planning and individualized support to aspiring female entrepreneurs. As a certified John Maxwell Team member, she brings expertise in speaking, writing, leadership development, and entrepreneurial coaching to her faith-based approach.

Expanding her vision globally, Elaine established She Steps Forward International (SSFI), a nonprofit organization that equips both American and African women to lead impactful ventures. SSFI’s flagship event, the She Steps Forward International Women’s Conference, unites like-minded female entrepreneurs annually – each March in the United States and May in Africa – fostering a global community of inspiration and shared wisdom.

SSFI’s commitment to nurturing new talent is evident in its Seed Money Grant program, which supports rising Christian female entrepreneurs in the U.S. and Africa. The organization also extends its reach by engaging in humanitarian work in Nairobi, Kenya.

Leadership development has been woven throughout Elaine’s personal and professional life. Prior to her current work, Elaine has held many leadership roles both within the church and in her professional life.

Elaine’s diverse background includes over 16 years in clinical nursing, where she held various leadership roles, including Pain Management Coordinator and nurse practitioner. She later transitioned to advisory roles in medical record documentation, coding, and auditing, showcasing her adaptability and commitment to excellence in healthcare.

Within the local church environment, she served for years as a small group leader, co-organized and co-led a mission trip, and ministered on a prayer team.
In 2023, Elaine obtained her Master of Arts in Theology degree from Jake's Divinity School (JDS) in partnership with Vanguard University. She also completed a Women in Leadership certificate program through JDS and received a 2022-2023 Outstanding Student Award. Toward the end of her studies, she was thrilled to be chosen to present at the 52nd Annual Meeting of the Society for Pentecostal Studies. She plans to continue her studies at JDS in the near future and aspires to complete a Doctor of Ministry (DMin) degree focused on Spirit-filled Global Leadership in the African Diaspora.
She self-published her first book, Love Echoed Back, in 2014 and plans to return to writing in the future. Her leadership articles have appeared in the Suffolk News Herald and Inside Business. She has been featured on several podcast shows, including HER Talk Show, Love & Beloved, The Ella Ray Show, Be Inspired God’s Way, and Women Awakening.

A Virginia native, Elaine has been married to her husband, Darrell, for over 31 years. They have one son, Nicholas, and a beloved beagle named Apollo.

By leveraging her faith, gifts, and experience, Elaine is fostering a new generation of Christian female leaders ready to make a positive impact in the marketplace and their communities.

Our annual She Steps Forward International Women's Conference was built for Christian women who have a drive and a passion to step into the world of entrepreneurship and make a significant difference. We are here to help women founders finally launch their God-given dreams - one business, one ministry, one nonprofit at a time!

I know that I'm called to be a Paul. I respect those who are called to be a Peter. And so just understanding my role in the kingdom assignment is how I move forward." --Elaine Lankford

Listen Live Recording

Chapters
00:00 Introduction to Elaine Lankford
02:49 Elaine's Journey from Nursing to Ministry
06:33 Finding Purpose in Pain and Loss
12:30 Empowering Women Through She Steps Forward
16:41 Building Confidence in Women
18:58 Overcoming Church Hurt and Rejection
21:42 The Role of Pain in Personal Growth
25:18 Forgiveness and Moving Forward
26:38 Unveiling Church Dynamics
29:12 Finding Community Beyond Church Walls
30:42 Divine Guidance in Outreach
35:42 Empowering Female Leadership
40:34 The Role of Women in Scripture
46:57 Releasing God-Sized Dreams
49:13 Transformative Journeys: Faith and Ministry
50:57 Empowering Women: Identity and Leadership
51:22 _Intro ONLY Video no sound IJP.mp4

When you can take that pain and flip it on its head and use it for the greater good, that's when we find our purpose. Nothing is ever wasted." --Elaine Lankford

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Doubt & Presence: Finding Faith in the Unseen, a heartfelt journey with Desiree Taylor

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Divine Withdrawals: Harnessing God's Investment with Dr. Sheila Jackson

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Change the mailing address of your Thoughts with Polly Eckert

The Audacity of DaughtershipFor every aspiring entrepreneur or ministry leader, imposter syndrome is a heavy weight. Elaine reveals the instant focus-shifter: embracing our Sonship (Daughtership) authority. True confidence comes from moving past what others say and focusing solely on what God says about you.

The most empowering truth is understanding the Biblical insights that define your status: You are the head and not the tail, and above and not beneath. When you embody this truth—when you stand in the authority of your God-inspired DNA calling—the world, truly, is waiting for what you have to offer.
The Elizabeth and Mary Model: Women Raising Up WomenOur discussion culminated in one of the most beautiful pictures of connecting with God and female empowerment in scripture: the story of Elizabeth and Mary.

The angel’s subtle instruction led Mary to walk 70 miles. Why? Because she needed Elizabeth. She needed to be prophesied over, affirmed, and empowered by an older woman who understood the impossible miracle she was carrying. As Elaine powerfully stated, "Elizabeth was there to comfort and empower and encourage Mary... This is a beautiful picture of how women are supposed to be raising up women."

This is the key to unlocking your destiny. You must find your Elizabeth—the person who will validate the miracle in your womb (your business, your book, your ministry) and speak fulfillment over it.

Remember the word that came before this conversation: "Your gift will go where you cannot go, but it is the measure of your heart that determines how far it reaches." Let your heart expand for the global kingdom today!

MEET THE BLOGGER >

Thank you for joining us here on Interviewing Jesus Podcast. It is our privilege to gather and share the content that Jesus is revealing to us. Continuing my Quest to answer 70 of the most asked questions by Famous Podcasters and Interviewers. Last week's question.
Today, this is our thought: Who do you consider to be your biggest competitor?
Myself! We are all wrestling with a measure of striving, and with Holy Spirit's help, we keep it under check. Things I compete with: time, expectations, and dreams just around the corner.

📥 Call to ActionReady to step forward into your God-sized dream? Identify one area of past rejection or "church hurt" in your life and commit to flipping the pain into purpose this week. Then, visit the show notes to connect with Elaine Lankford at shestepsforwardcoaching.com to find your Elizabeth through her coaching and conferences!

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You Can Never Be More Co-Raised: The Radical Truth That Ends Self-Striving ❖ 245

11/20/2025

You Can Never Be More Co-Raised: The Radical Truth That Ens Self-Striving Interviewing Jesus Podcast with Kristen Wambach

"Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate. Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure. It is our light, not our darkness, that most frightens us. We ask ourselves, who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented, fabulous? Actually, who are you not to be?"— Marianne Williamson

Co-Raised, Co-Seated

EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS

You are already complete: You can never be more co-raised or co-elevated than you are right now, co-seated with Christ. Our growth is only in the awareness of this truth.

The Sanctuary is Personal: Your place of comfort is uniquely designed by God and reflects your true, beautiful self—the one He sees while sitting inside your spirit.
Habitual Renewal is His Work: The consistent renewing of your mind happens by simply pondering the truth of your identity in Christ (Ephesians 4:23).
Embrace the Sword of Zayin: Finding ultimate comfort requires allowing the "sword" of God's Word to cut away self-protective mechanisms (procrastination, sarcasm, etc.) that keep you feeling vulnerable and out of control.

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Embracing divine comfort. Can we really be comfortable with ourselves in God? Does your ego, the left brain of life, keep you under fire at the altar of burnt offerings? Or doing another load of self laundry at the laver? Do you struggle with thoughts circling in your head, consistently reminding you of imperfections, what needs to change, or improve? Embracing divine comfort, finding your sanctuary in God's love. A sanctuary? What does that feel like? How would I encounter God's love in a way that looked and felt like me? This episode is pulling out five insights as easily as pushing a button on the remote and exploring how simple divine truths can transform our journey and everyday life.

Do you ever feel like your life is a constant loop of self-laundry, endlessly washing away imperfections at the "laver" of your mind? In a world that constantly demands improvement, it’s easy for our inner critic—that analytical, left-brained ego—to keep us under fire. But what if the relentless struggle for self-acceptance is entirely unnecessary? What if, as the Apostle Paul suggests, you are already "gift-wrapped" and perfect in your original design? This episode explores five profound insights to help you push the remote, tune out the noise, and step into your ordained sanctuary of divine comfort.

Habitual Renewal: "This is his work. All we have to do is ponder the truth."
—Kristen Wambach

The Ocean of Unconditional GraceImagine standing at the edge of a tropical ocean—vast, warm, and inviting. This is the extravagant dimension of grace that envelops you, regardless of your past performance or perceived shortcomings. Grace has no favorites; it extends equally to the largest and smallest of beings. This is the environment where you find divine comfort and assurance in your original, likable self. This comfort is a resting place, not a striving one.

On Self-Acceptance: "This ocean of grace wraps each of us regardless of our past performance or perceived shortcomings, offering us a sanctuary where we find divine comfort, assurance and our original and likable self." —Kristen Wambach

Habitually Renewed: His Work, Our Struggle often boils down to noisy, self-critical thoughts. We wrestle between our practical self and our intuition. The answer, according to scripture, is simple and radical: “Thus you are habitually renewed in your innermost mind. This will cause you to be completely reprogrammed in the way you think about yourself.” The key is to ponder the truth about you as it’s displayed in Christ.

You Can Never Be More Co-Raised Than What You Already AreThis is the bedrock of the sanctuary. Whether you slept on the couch last night or feel miles away from spiritual perfection, the truth remains: You can never be more co-raised or co-elevated than what you already are now. You can never be more saved or more in Christ. This co-seatedness in the heavenly realm is outside of time—the beginning, middle, and end. Even your past decisions, held in His redemptive oneness, do not disqualify you. Our journey now is simply about growing in the awareness of this already accomplished redemption.

Your Sanctuary makes you feel...
I do believe I found a famous text written by Pablo Neruda from 100 Love Sonnets that brilliantly illustrates it.
“I love you without knowing how, or when, or from where.
I love you simply, without problems or pride:
I love you in this way because
I do not know any other way of loving but this,
in which there is no I or you,
so intimate that your hand upon my chest is my hand,
so intimate that when I fall asleep
Your eyes close.”

Your Sanctuary Looks Like You. A sanctuary isn't a generic church room—it's intensely personal. It is uniquely designed by the "world's most famous interior designer" and looks and feels like a list of your favorite things. It’s the mountain vista that humbles you, the smell of the forest that restores you, the elegance of white roses that speak of the Bridegroom's love. Every detail looks like you because that is how God sees you while He is sitting inside your spirit. Your sanctuary is your original identity, a story without words, a heavenly picture drawn on your heart. It is the intimate space where there is “no I or you.”

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Zayin Hebrew Living Letters Artist Kristen Wambach

Comfortable in His Comfort: The Sword of Zayin. To truly become comfortable in this divine comfort, we must address the things that keep us out of it: self-protective mechanisms. These are the coping tools we use when we feel vulnerable—procrastination, sarcasm, deferring to others, or projection. Drawing insight from the Hebrew letter Zayin (meaning both a sword and sustenance), we recognize that this “sword of the Lord” cuts out the things that are not serving us, so we can receive true nourishment. The act of nailing these defense mechanisms to the cross is a necessary step into unhindered comfort.

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Summary: The episode is a transformative reminder that Christian spiritual growth is not about strenuous striving, but about surrendered awareness. We are not pursuing grace; we are already swimming in it. Our spirit was never contaminated. We are perpetually co-raised and co-elevated with Christ. By pondering this truth and shedding our self-protective masks, we claim our personal, custom-designed sanctuary of divine comfort—our beautiful, gift-wrapped self.

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BRAVE: a story of redemption 👈 the story highlighted in the episode.

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Inviting Jesus "Into" the Drivers Seat

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How to Awaken Your Can Do Spirit

A self-protective mechanism is a behavior or coping tool that people use to protect themselves when they feel unsafe, out of control, or vulnerable. These mechanisms can become automatic and can cause people to sabotage their relationships.
Some examples of self-protective mechanisms include:

Withdrawal: Avoiding confrontation by pulling away from others

Manipulation: Using others for one's own advantage

Projection: Accusing someone else of thoughts and behaviors that are desired to be hidden

Procrastination: Delaying tasks to avoid negative evaluations from others
Pretending to be laid back: A way to avoid taking responsibility for one's actions
Deferring to others: Putting others' needs before one's own
Using sarcasm: A way to keep people at a distance

Self-protective mechanisms can be activated when someone experiences a threat to their positive self-views, such as being criticized, performing poorly on an exam, or social rejection.

I have held many things in my hands, and I have lost them all; but whatever I have placed in God's hands, that I still possess."— Corrie ten Boom

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To our weekly questionnaire discussion... my quest to answer 70 of the most asked questions by podcasters and famous interviewers. Last week's question.
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A book that was recommended to me via my Growth Day Coaching lessons. A fun and sassy read with a colorful tongue. Radical Confidence by Lisa Bilyeu. Little did she know that she shared with me one of the best how to lessons of the year.

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Page 184 captures her number-one tip for emotional sobriety. I didn't happen to have a sticky note at hand as requested by our author, so I made a 👆🏻 phone wall-paper which I see, and see, and is at my visual disposal everywhere my phone goes.

ACTIVATION: In your sanctuary, even right where you are sitting, put your hand on your heart right there God enjoys you; He enjoys being in your spirit with your beautiful you, yourself, your designer you, liking all of those unique and quirky things that make you. I bless you.
Thank you for spending this time with me today. Thank you for checking out the show notes and feel free to comment. Ask me a question. I love you. Have an absolutely wonderful rest of your day and I will talk to you again next week. Bye now.

Call to Action: Go copy and paste the powerful truth from the show notes: "You can never be more co-raised or co-elevated than what you already are." Post it where you see it daily and ponder it. Let this single truth reprogram the way you think about yourself and invite you into your sanctuary.

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Stop Just Praying| The 5 Daily Steps to Fix Your Body, Mind, & Spirit with Dr. Len Lopez ❖ 244

11/12/2025

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“Your habits and attitude are your spiritual DNA, the genetic code that determines the trajectory of your growth and achievement.” —Dr. Len Lopez

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💡 EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS

The Temple of God is Whole: True Christian spiritual growth requires caring for the entire temple—Body, Mind, and Spirit—to achieve holistic health.
The Power of Vision (Sleep Step): The "Sleep" step encourages listeners to fall asleep visualizing their "Land of Milk and Honey" (their destination/goals) until they feel the tangible emotion of that achievement. This programs the subconscious mind for success.

Habits and Attitude are Your DNA: Just like your genetic code, your daily habits and attitude determine your achievement and growth. The Five Steps provide a visual tracking tool to encourage positive momentum.
Digestive Health is the First Domino: Chronic issues often trace back to poor digestive function, whether due to poor dietary choices or the habit of eating "on the run" under stress.
Stress is More Than Mental: Physical stressors like low blood sugar (from waiting too long to eat) and over-exercising can elevate cortisol, putting the body in constant "fight or flight" mode, draining overall resources.
The Spiritual Muscle: Working your spiritual muscles—through scripture, fellowship, service, or listening to uplifting music—is vital. Neglecting your spirit is like skipping a meal; it leaves you empty.
Counteracting Negative Thinking: Since about 80% of our thoughts are often negative repeats, the "Think" step encourages putting in small "drops" of positive affirmations throughout the day to cultivate a confident and positive state.
Starting the Day Strong: An empowering takeaway is the necessity of giving yourself an affirmation the moment your feet hit the floor, rather than waiting for external circumstances to dictate your mindset.

By tracking your steps, you get the essential "data" to course-correct and become bigger, better, bolder. This commitment is a powerful component of your faith journey podcast. —Dr. Len Lopez

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