BEYOND THE PEWS AND INTO THE ASCENDED LIFE

For many of us, the spiritual journey begins with a simple, foundational truth: John 3:16. We learn it, we believe it, and we find our place within the walls of a local congregation. But what happens when that "inside" starts to feel a little too small? What happens when the message begins to change from what is written in ink to what is experienced in the Spirit?
As an investigative journalist of the spirit, I’ve spent 30 years documenting what it looks like to bridge the gap between heaven and earth. I’ve worn many hats—pastor, author, entrepreneur—but the core of my calling is helping people realize that the "supernatural" is meant to be our everyday reality.

The Reality of the Ascended Church

We often talk about the ascension of Jesus as a historical event, but we forget the invitation that followed. We are called to be an ascended church, seated in heavenly places. This isn't just poetic language; it is a functional reality. When we live from that seated position, our perspective on everything—from spiritual warfare to global crises—shifts. We aren't "duking it out" with an enemy from the ground; we are legislating peace from a place of authority.

Our spiritual senses are supposed to be developed. God gave each and every one of us the ability to see, hear, taste, touch, and feel heaven." —Kristen Wambach

Healing the Label, Not Just the Fault

One of the most profound realizations in my journey was how the Holy Spirit heals. He doesn't just point out faults; He heals the brokenness so thoroughly that you no longer carry the "sign" or the "label" of your past. This internal restoration is the prerequisite for living "Spiritually Brave." You cannot roar like a lion if you still identify as a victim of your history.

The "Witty" Inventions" of God

Spirituality isn't reserved for the prayer closet. It manifests in our businesses and our backyards. When my husband and I created a pulley system for our bird feeders, it was a "witting invention"—a divine idea stepped into through simple faith. Whether you are manufacturing squirrel-proof feeders or leading a ministry, the Holy Spirit is interested in the "how-to" of your life.
It is time to wake up the lions. It is time to realize that your spiritual senses—your ability to see, hear, taste, and touch heaven—are meant to be developed. You don't have to die to experience heaven; you just have to believe the Door is already open.

The Holy Spirit first had to come in and heal me. He never pointed out my faults, but He healed me enough so that I didn't carry the label out in front of me."—Kristen Wambach

EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS

• The Lioness of Biblical Proportions: An introduction to Kristen Wambach's multi-faceted career.
• The Oregon Roots: Balancing 41 years of marriage, four sons, and a Pacific Northwest life.
• From Evangelical to Ascended: The transition from traditional church structures to spirit-led maturity.
• The Courts of Heaven: A legislative approach to prayer and healing.
• The Language of the Heart: How God uses our natural talents (like singing) as conduits for the supernatural.

SHOW TRANSCRIPT

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Wake Up the Lions: LIVING "SPIRITUALLY BRAVE" — INTERVIEW TRANSCRIPTHost: Rory
Guest: Kristen Wambach

[0:03] Rory: It is time. It's time to wake up the lions. More than that, it's time for you to take your rightful place with your brothers and sisters and let them hear you roar. Folks, it's time to stand up. It's time for Christians to come together to share their testimony. It's time to inspire hope. It's time for all of us to answer the call. It's time to wake up the lions. And we have a lioness with us today of biblical proportions if I do say so myself. Uh folks, please welcome to the show entrepreneur, pastor, author, podcaster, host of Interviewing Jesus, uh Kristen Wambach. Kristen, how you doing today?
[0:44] Kristen: I'm very well. I'm excited to be here. Thank you.
[0:47] Rory: Thank you. Thank you so much. I appreciate you coming on the show. Uh I have listened to your podcast. I love it. Um the uh I love that you're you talk about living spiritually brave. I mean just that one line alone to really kind of like got me to stop and read the rest of everything about you. So as we get rolling here, tell everybody, we have a lot to to dig into, but tell everybody who is you know Kristen Wambach. What are you about? Um and you know kind what brought you to this place?
[1:14] Kristen: What brought me to the place? There's a whole lot of stories in that one Rory. A whole lot of stories. But, uh, let's break it down to every day. I'm from the Pacific Northwest. I live in Oregon. I've been married for 41 years. There's a really good prayer point right there. Woohoo. I have four sons. Wow. I'm an entrepreneur. Three online stores, the the podcasting pastor, ordained pastor. I mean, geez, I wear a lot of hats.
[1:50] Rory: Wow. What are the three online stores?
[1:53] Kristen: Um, so my husband and I um created a business. So, since I'm online all day, I sit at my computer at home and there's a window out there and I have my I wanted my hummingbird feeder to hang right there by the window. And I said, "Honey, can can you can you hook up my—He's you know the honeydew—Um can you hook this up so that I can actually see the hummingbirds while I'm in my office?" He said, "Sure." So he made me this little pulley system. And didn't take me long to look at that and said, "Hey, if that works for me, it'll work for others." And so we created it. I did all the marketing, packaging, websiting, and all that stuff. Now we have four different models. We have the original, we have squirrelproof, bearproof. People in the Midwest have bears trying to eat their bird seed, and then house mount. So, it's one of those witting inventions that God tells us about, and we just stepped into it.
[3:04] Rory: That's amazing. You know, as someone who's in the Midwest, uh I do know some folks who have had some encounters with bears. We don't get them too much out here in Indiana, but um you know, occasionally we do, but they're in Michigan. Boy, they're running around in Michigan uh more and more. So, you're not kidding uh with that. That's funny. All right. So, so this is what you you manufacture these. You have like a patent on this thing that you're putting together?
[3:29] Kristen: No. No patent. We don't have a patent on it, but we make them from ground zero all the way up. My husband was sitting out there last night making more squirrel proofs cuz he was a professional mechanic for 40 years. So they have to be crimped and made by hand so that they they stand they stand up to the wear and tear of us bird loving people.
[3:51] Rory: Nice. So he's just out there working in the garage having a great time, isn't he?
[3:55] Kristen: Yeah. Well, he also has another part-time job. So, but that's a whole another subject if you want to get into the marital relationship retirement thing.
[4:05] Rory: Congratulations on uh that kind of a marriage. Uh that's very rare in today's world. And also congratulations on four boys. I have two and I can't imagine four. I just oh my goodness cannot even imagine what you went through with that.
[4:19] Kristen: And the interesting thing twist to that is I was raised with three brothers and I'm the only girl.
[4:24] Rory: So I that testosterone thing. Oh, it gave you a little warning for it. You had an idea of what to expect?
[4:30] Kristen: I sure did. All right. Maybe that's why I've been pushing buttons ever since, you know.
[4:38] Rory: Well, clearly the entrepreneur thing is uh is out there going well. Um tell me about the author part of it. Is it the the unfinished book? I saw that on your website.
[4:49] Kristen: Yes. The unfinished book was my my beginning journey at believing God that I was a writer. I mean, because God always tells us who we are, but it might take us a little while before we actually believe what he's telling us. So, it just took me 20 years to actually come to grips with it and and and write it. And it's my journey of every question that you that you possibly could ask me today. It's my journey. How we started here evangelical girl, eight years old, until we're what, 55. I'd add 10 more years on that today. But how did we get from point A to point B? And how did Jesus redefine what I used to say yes to what my family used to say yes to and generational back?
[5:45] Rory: What an unbelievable question. That is such a great way to start. Why don't we start with um yeah, has your faith always been uh something that you've been very deep into? Did you learn that as a kid or did it happen to you later on in life?
[5:58] Kristen: I learned it as a kid. I understood John 3:16. For God so loved the world, right? That he gave his only begotten. That was that was there. I was baptized when I was eight. Went to church with my family. Uh puberty hit, boys hit. 20s, I didn't really have much need for Jesus. So, until I made some pretty severe mistakes, found myself married a second time with two boys already born. I realized I was broken and I needed help. So I asked for help and Holy Spirit introduced himself to me because Holy Spirit wasn't part of the John 3:16 that I learned learned. Holy Spirit was something that was written in ink on the pages of the Bible. Holy Spirit wasn't a real being, a real person, right? So that wasn't there generationally. That wasn't there. So I had to learn from ground zero who Holy Spirit was and Holy Spirit had to introduce himself to me.
[7:25] Rory: Did you have help or prompting or um a mentor or anything that got you back in touch with church or did you just remember what it was like and say, "Hey, this is what I need to go back to."
[7:34] Kristen: My husband and I purchased um a small farm in Woodburn, Oregon, and we moved right next door to the most severe Bible thumping person you could ever imagine. God bless her. Okay. and she went to a four-square church, took me to the lady's Bible study, and so that began my my understanding of Holy Spirit. And then Holy Spirit moved in with that understanding and showed me himself.
[8:15] Rory: Nice. So, for some reason, she felt called to kind of disciple you and and and bring you along, and you said, "Great. I need some help. Let's do this."
[8:24] Kristen: Well, I don't know if I said great, I need some help. But she was really an awesome person and at that time obviously I needed to be Bible, you know, I I I guess because that's my path and God moved us right next door. Her daughter was the babysitter, you know, for my kids. So, it was a a partnership where there was so much relationship there.
[8:49] Rory: I love that. you know, God can't get into that closed fist. So, you got to open it up at some point to, you know, let him in. And, uh, it sounds like you had opened it just enough for her to kind of guide you in the right direction. That's uh it's amazing the way the Holy Spirit works and where where he takes us when we're not looking. So, uh, that's that's great. Now, were you uh at that point, were you pretty solid in it, you know, after that moving forward? Uh, and did you raise your family that way or was there more to the journey, you know, in terms of how God interacted with you?
[9:18] Kristen: So being introduced to Holy Spirit, the Holy Spirit first had to come in and heal me. He never pointed out my faults. Never. But he had to heal me enough so that the mistakes that I made, I didn't carry the sign or the label out in front of me. So he healed me and touched me and loved on me first. And then from that point forward, I just believed God. I believed God. Whatever whatever the Lord showed me, I went, "Okay, can you explain this? Okay, can you explain this?" And so John 3:16 got redefined.
[10:11] Rory: Is this where you get to that point in your story where God sort of changed what you used to say yes to?
[10:18] Kristen: Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Okay. Let's just jump in. Let's just jump in. So on my journey and now, you know, I've been healed. I've been touched by Holy Spirit. I'm on fire for Holy Spirit. uh received the baptism of Holy Spirit speaking in tongues. That wasn't anywhere in my upbringing. None whatsoever. I remembered the first time I ever heard it. Oh my gosh, scare the crap out of me. Um moving on. And so I was just hungry for God. I The simple thing is just believing what Jesus shows you. And I just did. I had that I don't know a simple faith of why would he lead me anywhere that he wasn't willing to explain where it was. So I did that and we kind of did some church hopping because every time we go to a church I'd hear something and I went the that doesn't sound like what I'm hearing from God. So that caused us caused me to move and finally it just got to the place of I did what was allowed according to the mindset structure of the church available. Meaning I could lead women's ministry. I could lead worship. I could do all the youth ministry and children's ministry, but I just have a mouth on me, you know. I have a mouth and a heart and say, see, this is what God showed, you know, here. And so that created some friction in some really hard places because if you're given a voice to speak yet you're you're you're refined to stay behind these particular walls. Ah you just I mean you you just become one of those people that kind of push the walls down and that's not very welcomed either and it makes a place that's hard and difficult. So I explained it this way. So I tried really, really, really, really hard to get inside church. I could lay hands on the sick with some healings occurring. I could prophesy on spot, you know, do the whole worship and prophetic everything. And then once I was on the inside and the ordination got—Yeah—all those things that you need to be able to from an earthly perspective that show that man values you because it has a title. And then from that point, once I was on the inside, I went, "This doesn't feel very good." And then the father said, he goes, "Well, I never put I never ever set up my tent on the inside of the camp ever." And I went, "Well, you could have told me that years ago." So anyhow, when I finally moved or allowed uh uh allowed myself to be free of the confines and the boxes of what we might classify as church. I'm part of the church. You're part of the church. But all of us would say that there have been some walls or doctrines that hold up those walls that may not actually show the heart of the father. And then the redefining. So I'm loving God. I'm doing every ministry possible, leading the women's ministry, Bible study, everything. And then all of a sudden, he changes the message. And he changes the message. And I know I'm not the first one ever get that message changed, but all of a sudden, he opens up my spiritual eyes. Well, what are you going to do with that? So, people either think you're a nut, fruit or flake or they—because they don't understand, right? So, you can't share because if you share there's it doesn't feel good. So you go through a season of being hidden and being quiet and just you and God and he's teaching you, teaching you, teaching you. And then you develop you and your relationship with God. And finally, you come to a place of maturity that you can open your mouth and what other people say or think does not erase or persuade the experience that you've had with the love of God. And then you start teaching it.
[15:47] Rory: What did he change the message to?
[15:53] Kristen: Well, Jesus died on the cross for us. We're saved by grace and he rose from the dead. The same power that was in him is in us to raise us from there. And then he ascended. And I think somewhere, oh, don't quote me, about 120 people actually saw the ascension. There he goes. And the words that he left, he goes, "I wish that you would be where I am." Or, "I wish that you would follow me." So, we are supposed to be an ascended church. Okay? And so I know him from a an ascended um following him ascended place. So when you know the scripture says that we are seated in heavenly places I can bear witness to that.
[16:54] Rory: Okay. Why why would that not have been accepted by the people that were around you?
[16:59] Kristen: Because they had they had no tangible experience. It was just ink on a page.
[17:08] Rory: I see. Interesting. You know, we all we all have those uh those moments or we hope to um but that sounds like a particular type of calling when you got that um that download so to speak. And I really hate that word because it's so modern. But um when you got that message, you know, that messaging uh the new new goal, how did that change you?
[17:34] Kristen: It p put a little bit more oomph behind the voice to share with people. But then I had the question because sometimes we classify people and people will say, "Oh, that's your gifting or your God gave you that spiritual gift." And I went, "No, that just doesn't sit right." So I went on a journey of proving that our spiritual senses, as it says in Romans, our spiritual senses are supposed to be developed. And God gave each and every one of us the ability to see, hear, taste, touch, feel heaven.
[18:22] Rory: And people didn't want to hear that. Huh.
[18:27] Kristen: No.
[18:28] Rory: I would think that would be like glorious to hear from somebody.
[18:32] Kristen: Yeah. You'd think so.
[18:34] Rory: Yeah. So, you're sitting here, you've got this, you're you're I don't want to say you're stuck with it, but you can't really share it right with the people that are around you. So, um is that where the podcast comes in? I mean, or the book where what do you do with with that sort of almost call to action? So, actually the the sharing part?
[18:55] Kristen: So, um started a healing ministry first, an inner healing, that was the first thing. went through a couple of different modalities that brought people around us because Holy Spirit's always wanting to heal us, strengthen us, um, and bring us to a place so that we can believe who we are in him. And so that began. Then that continued to grow. We started a ministry school. From the ministry school at Bartha Church and we had a a small house church. them from the small house church. We went and we rented the proverbial office space and had church and and did that. And then that's right there in all that. That's when God changed the message, so to speak. That's when my eyes were open and all of our prophetic team, our prophetic, the the worship, the artists, everybody, everybody was painting doors and windows and windows and doors and ascension and and finally one day I said, "You know what? I think we're supposed to walk through them. They're not just a prophetic picture of who he is. He is the door. He is the way, truth, and life. But if he's keep showing us these doors and windows that actually have a function, don't you think we should walk through them?" And I don't remember the Hebrew year, but one of the Hebrew years, which was the letter A, the I, and it was a door. And we it was the exact year on the Hebrew calendar. And I just it was pretty simple to say, don't you think we should walk through? And when we walk through as a body, a small body, some people don't want to come and that's okay. So you release them. You you just love on them and you release them. And and it was like clockwork. the Holy Spirit. He says, "Okay, you need to do that release message again and release them before they have a struggle." Because when when we as a church have a struggle and we don't understand something, we have a struggle or relationship issue, if we don't release them before that struggle actually comes and moves into part of our heart surface, you know, to where we don't know what to do with it versus releasing them in love and say, "I love you. Go love God. Go find where Jesus wants you." Just not here. it. The choice was theirs. But we had made the decision that God wants everything. I mean, prayer changes, worship changes, finances changes, associations change when you're when you're seated with him and you actually can visually see him or visually see all the heavens and libraries and oh my, it's can be overwhelming.
[22:15] Rory: Sure. How does that manifest to where you are now?
[22:25] Kristen: Sometimes it makes me very very happy and sometimes it makes me cry.
[22:38] Rory: What does it make? I thought I thought it would be easier.
[22:45] Kristen: I know. I know. We We all We hope for the the the portion that it would be easier. But that's not always the the way that we mature in who we are.
[23:04] Rory: That's not what makes you cry, though. Not the part that it wasn't easy.
[23:08] Kristen: I think the part that makes me cry is H how would I say it? That I see people continue to go back to sit in in the pew in which they began cuz you're hoping that they make more progress. Uh-huh. get closer to Jesus and make it because when you see him in the spirit, let's get to I'm going to jump ahead on your question regarding spiritual warfare because you like to talk about that. You mentioned it and so it's different when you can actually see what the enem is doing.
[24:06] Rory: Sure.
[24:08] Kristen: Let me take a a for instance a a a a prayer for instance. Oh, actually just a prayer for instance her hurricanes. So there's hurricanes that might that could be impending against the soils of our countries. and we sometimes when we pray for these things we just go it seems so overwhelming and then we'll go and there's all these things on the land where people have messed up and you know how are you going to pray and so Jesus always says come up higher because when you come up higher just like when we talk about energy and frequency and all those consciousness that are words that we're kind of familiar with these days. But when you come up higher, then you're not looking at the enemy or the accusation that is causing the root of the hurricane. You've come up higher and can speak peace to it. You're not trying to duke it out with an enemy. It it it's it's just different. It it's different. So when you step before the courts of heaven, which I'm sure you and I are familiar with the courts of heaven and you're dealing with, say there's an issue with cancer and God has called your heart either through relationship with the individuals or if you've been called to pray, meaning that's given me authority to stand as a witness on behalf of the person who is struggling with cancer. Well, when you step before the courts of heaven and you can call forth the enemies bound in gag, so they can't say anything, but they have to show up because if they don't show up, they lose their legal right to actually accuse, which uproots the root. And also the witnesses, the cloud of witnesses talks about in Romans 12. Romans 12 is just packed. Romans is just packed with good stuff. And then the witnesses of the family who've gone before them, if there's a situation, they can come and bear witness on behalf of this person so that they can be set free. So the the root cause can be pulled out and then the body which knows how to heal itself can begin its work that it was created to do to heal itself.
[27:00] Rory: That's a pretty good argument. Wow. H. I like that. When did you come up with that? When did you put all that together?
[27:20] Kristen: come it. Um because I've done it several times. I like that a lot. I just haven't heard that that way. I've I've so I'm a very legislative person. And so when I was introduced to the courts of heaven, because there's lot there's lots of different courts in heaven. There's different libraries. are different. Jesus explains that he goes to make a mansion for us. There's different houses. There's houses where we learn. There's periods because we have to learn. But from creation when creation's table, so here's God, Jesus, Holy Spirit, and us in him sitting at creation's table. And God is thinking about this whole plan of speaking forth so that his sons can grow and mature and he can love them. And so before they spoke the world, before let there be light, Jesus goes, um, I'll go I'll go first and I I'll prepare everything so that they can be victorious. because they knew ahead of time that we were going to mess up and we needed to have the provision to be able to legislate for ourselves through the blood of Jesus. That's what heaven is. That was that's—that's what heaven is.
[28:59] Rory: Wow. I mean, I love that perspective on it. I've just never heard it talked about that way before. You you're legislative when in your belief. I haven't heard that phrase before either. That's uh I mean is that something that you created or something that you learned from from somewhere else?
[29:20] Kristen: I learned it by having the privilege to hang out with people in the cloud of witnesses and I realized that they were I was very much like them and when I knew them according to the text like Paul or Elijah I just went I'm oh jeez. I'm a lot like them. And they did that. Nice. I mean, if you think about our judicial system and the the the the infrastructure that that our world has set up to govern people, where do you think that came from? I mean, if you go back to when there was monarchs and that stuff, if you look at it, there are so many similarities. Where did they get that from?
[30:28] Rory: I I'm guessing that they got it from from the scripture because I don't know where else they would have gotten it from.
[30:34] Kristen: Yeah. Yeah. Interesting. Yeah. So the the monarchy was because God gave people the choice and they wanted a king. So it still remains.
[30:46] Rory: Wow. So what do kings do? You know what do kings do?
[30:51] Kristen: They have dominion. Okay. And so as a people we chose not to have kings at some point.
[31:03] Rory: Yeah. Yeah. It it kind of changed. It it has changed over the course of history.
[31:09] Kristen: Mhm. But regarding the legislation, I in my relationship with Christ, he died on the cross. He overcame sin and death. I take that literal. Okay. And we're in. We're in him. There isn't any part of us, any mistake that I could ever make, any choice, any bad attitude, any that could take me out of being in him. Nothing can separate us from the love of God. Nothing. Not even me. Not even if you're the best atheist knowing how to run to the far corners of the earth. God already thought about it before he said, "Let there be light." He goes, "You know, my kids are going to need some help. They're going to some of them are going to try to run." He's such a good daddy. He's such a good papa that he thought about his kids.
[32:21] Rory: Nice. I love your perspectives. I really do. I mean is this is this the type of thing that you use to you know sort of build disciplehip and and bring people on board and you know spread your thought um spread his love.
[32:41] Kristen: Yes. But in a very broad yes. So the first in all all of us the first thing is that we can learn to hear and listen. The first place in in in any relationship with people or with God is to learn communication. How do you speak? How do I speak? How does God speak? How would God speak back to me? Right? That is the the first point of any disciplehip. And once you have a conversation, then you just believe God. You you trust because it clearly says he leads us into all truth. So take a step forward.
[33:41] Rory: How do you go about getting the folks who want to take that step forward but haven't really had the opportunity to to learn what you've learned? You know, they haven't been exposed to to him, uh, to his teachings, to, you know, the Bible, to his his writings. How do you open that door for them and just help them help them walk through it?
[34:03] Kristen: Well, the doors open and I I am responsible to value what he shares with me. That's that's my responsibility. So, I started journaling years, 30 years ago. I started journaling and writing down. And because I valued what he said to me that value, he shared more. And through that journaling, I learned all about my dreams. I learned that he could talk to me in my dreams. And then I learned him as a dream interpreter. And then I learned how to be in a dream interpreter. And from the dreams, I realized that my spirit was not bound to my body and that he could take my spirit in the night season and we can go and travel places. But it was it was a learning process of learning a communication is to talk to God. Allow Holy Spirit to speak to you. to speak to you. A and you learn to listen. You purpose yourself to listen. And when you listen, you don't you you you leave it open on the table and you allow him to speak back to you whichever way he so decides. And it may not be written in the Bible. And then you and that's how you learn when when you open him and say, "God, hello. I'm I I feel this way today. I'm talking to you and I really need encouragement." And then take a step forward and wait for that encouragement to come. I guar I guarantee I I know the father. I know that it's going to come. You might be sitting in traffic or whatever and you look next door and here is this crazy lady and she's just worshiping in her car. Why the the stop the stoplight and that you just go, "Well, that blesses me." Or you could be going through the grocery store line and you come through and and the checker goes, "My goodness, I really like the way you did your hair today. That looks really attractive on you." God encourages us in so many so many ways. Or you might go for a a walk that that evening and the the the the clouds in the sky are just overwhelmingly beautiful. And you just take that moment to realize God painted that just for me.
[37:09] Rory: I love the underlying advice that we all need to take time to, you know, sort of recognize our blessings that are in the world. Uh because we do take them for granted. You know, all those things that you just mentioned are things that we walk by every day and we may not even notice it because we're so wrapped up in our own nonsense. So, all all by itself, that's fantastic advice just to kind of get closer to God. I love that. I really do.
[37:34] Kristen: Well, I had a funny little haha because we're we're all you and I, we all play the little social media blah. We got to put our stuff out there for it to be found. Sure. So, well, where do you think they got the idea for algorithms? And what does an algorithm do? It says, "Okay, if I'm looking for bird feeders, so the algorithms are going to go across every one of your devices and start bringing those bird feeders and everything you're looking for to you." Some of us say, "Oh, you know, they're looking in on us. Oh, they can see us." But where do they get the idea? From God. God knows that we're looking for bird feeders. something that brings us joy, something that brings us a business, and all of a sudden, whoop, let's put it here and here and here and here and here and here. It's God's original idea to get the information, him speaking to us—to us.
[38:42] Rory: Never made that parallel before. Wow, that's that's interesting. I mean, that could be a whole other episode just talking about social media.
[38:52] Kristen: Well, yeah. Well, I mean, if you if you look at technology, if you look at your phone and you and I both, I mean, I had the red phone on the kitchen wall at the farmhouse that had the cord, you know, there was no privacy in you, right? And I remember when it went from analog to digital. We, you and I both know that journey. But if you think about it, all of technology, if you think about it from a spiritual perspective, it's getting mirrored from somewhere. There is a mirror that's sending a frequency, sound, and light that somebody who's paying attention goes, well, why not make it this way? So the cell phone because being ascended stepping into heaven through the flesh and the work of Jesus Christ, he is my door, the way, truth, and the life. I don't have to die to experience heaven. So you think about it, everybody that I've ever spoken to from the cloud of witnesses, they never use a phone. And lots of times their lips aren't moving. The phone is simply a communication, a prophetic communication device because we're supposed to do that heart-to-heart, spirit-to-spirit. We we don't actually need to have a device stuck to our ear to be able to communicate with you. How many times have we seen it? Oh, and a friend will call us and go, I was just thinking about you. Bingo. What would happen if we tuned into that--
[40:44] Rory: just wow. All right. Um I can't even I—Wow. It would be amazing if we all tuned into that, wouldn't it?
[40:55] Kristen: Yeah, it would be absolutely amazing if we all tuned into that.
[41:00] Rory: It's an incredible thought as you do all of the things that you do. Um, you know, and as we kind of start bringing this down to a close here, just in terms of time, um, you're doing your podcast, you're writing the, uh, the unfinished book, um, with everything you're doing in your life, is there something that you look at and say, "This is my purpose," or does that change?
[41:27] Kristen: This is my purpose—to tell people about heaven. That that that that is my purpose to teach people how to see in the spirit because I know it's for everybody. And I have and I'm going to do a little boasting here. So, I have had the privilege to learn so many different modalities of inner healing. Mhm. But stepping into heaven to healing an individual is by far the best. I don't think we're going to find another modality that's better. But currently, in my experience, I have never ever experienced somebody not hearing or seeing from God.
[42:24] Rory: That's pretty bold statement. That's big. I mean, that's a heck of a success rate. Wow.
[42:32] Kristen: Because it's it's it's the Trinity's responsibility to communicate to us, right? to put it in a language that you and I could understand, a language that would be like those algorithms that would draw us to the conclusion, that's God speaking to me. Thanks, God. Oh, thanks God, you're awesome. It's it's just a matter of of resting in it and saying, "God, I'm just going to trust—trust you today." Then I will hear you. And when I hear you, even if it's running into this huge frog out in when I'm watering my garden, this huge frog that I hear ribbit every night, this huge frog that supposedly doesn't live in my area, it lives like 2400 elevation. But I have this frog. But I can hear that frog singing every night from the door open on my bedroom. But I was not watering and I was talking to God. I go, "Look at you. Hello." And that simple little frog encouraged me. Now, every time I rest my head on the pillow during these summer nights, I can hear the tree frogs. They're a little higher in pitch and I can hear this bigger frog and it's slower and and it's just like I've put two and two together cuz God knew that that would bless me. It may not be the language that somebody else would bless but he knows—God knows how to talk to you and me.
[44:21] Rory: Wow. I love that. Well, I'm glad you get you can still hear the deep frogs out there, you know. I mean, yeah, some of us with the deep voices, you know, we still can't. So, I I I love the way you you uh you relate. I love the way you relate uh the teachings to everything that's so earthly for people to be able to grab hold of it and assimilate it and use it. Um that's that is a gift. that is a gift because there's a lot of people who would like to do that and are falling very short and uh you're not one of them. So congratulations on that because it's it's definitely a gift what you're doing there.
[45:04] Kristen: Thank you kindly. But um—wow. Can I'm going to add you asked me because how do people have access to it? That's where I I I we each have the opportunity to step back and and evaluate the voices that we allow into the sphere of our life. So God is is talking to us. We need to hang out with people who are speaking the language of the season that we're walking through. Okay? That might be—you might follow somebody on Instagram because they're they're dealing with an issue that that you're dealing with and that brings you strength and that gives you ideas or or or a podcast or read somebody's book. But it is up to us. Just like when I journal something. I didn't always believe or I didn't even know about the baptism holy spirit. I didn't know but my hunger started asking questions and because I asked questions woo then all of a sudden the answers are just coming and I avail myself to read—hear God and I I remember point blank the day that I received—and it's a different baptism and I mean, I was trying hard. I was so hungry for God. Help me, Jesus. And I was fasting for the first time. I'm hungry—crabby, you know, and I'm so hungry. And it was it was like I was trying to make it so difficult. And God's just rolling his eyes at me and going, "Oh, how am I going to help her?" And it was the the the utterance with tongues was right there. And it was so close. I would go to the gas station, the grocery store, and my language was broken. And it was embarrassing. It was so right there. But I was making it hard. Oh, cuz there was no understanding generationally for me. There was there was no story. So between God and me, we were creating a story and there was some struggle in the story. And then finally one day, super hungry, five days, haven't eaten. I'm a crab. you know, my husband's ready to go. Oh, can help me, Jesus? Right. And all of a sudden, I heard Holy Spirit say, and my my youngest, my fourth son was about 10 months old. And he I heard him say, he goes, "Just sing over your baby." What? Just sing over your baby. And I did. And it came out in full song, full sentences and it was the most easy and natural experience. I just sang over my child—sang in a language because singing is part of how he made me. So of course the language, the gift, the evidence of that there's power in your life is going to come through an avenue, a conduit that is part of my DNA.
[48:47] Rory: Again, wow. Um, you know how to tell a story. Absolutely. You know how to tell a story.
[48:54] Kristen: Thank you.
[48:55] Rory: Power to you. Amazing. And you've uh obviously been on this side of the mic because you went through and answered my questions without me having to ask you. So, I love that, too. Uh we've we've covered our topics and you've done a fantastic job. So, um as we kind of pull this together, like I said, and and wrap things up, um obviously we want folks listening to the podcast, Interviewing Jesus. How can people reach out to you directly if they want to contact you, work with you, talk to you?
[49:28] Kristen: kristenwambach.com. Everything's there. It's all wrapped up. It's—it's—it's everything's there.
[49:36] Rory: Okay, we'll make sure that's in our show notes. Thank you. All right, Kristen. Uh loved having you on. Uh absolutely fascinating this stuff that you put out there. Love the way you make it relatable for everybody and you've been an absolute uh treasure to have on today. Thank you so much for being on the show.
[49:52] Kristen: I very much appreciate the prayer platform that you provided. Tells me what Holy Spirit's doing in your heart and that's pretty amazing. Thank you for that.
[50:03] Rory: I appreciate it. That might be the nicest thing anybody said to me on this show. So, thank you for that. Folks, it is time. It's time to wake up the lions. More than that, it's time for you to take your rightful place with your brothers and sisters and let them hear you roar. The world is ready. You are ready. You just have to believe it.

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Final Summary: THE SUPERNATURAL REALITY & LIVING "SPIRITUALLY BRAVE"

This guest appearance serves as a powerful call to action for the "Lionesses" and "Lions" of the faith to awaken and occupy their rightful positions. The conversation highlights the transition from a traditional, "ink-on-the-page" faith to a vibrant, ascended reality where the supernatural becomes a practical, daily experience.
THE SHIFT FROM PEWS TO ASCENSION
A central theme of this discussion is the invitation to move beyond the confines of religious "boxes." As an ordained pastor and experienced spiritual coach, Kristen Wambach shares how the Father often moves outside the "tent of the camp," inviting believers into an ascended life. This isn't just a theological concept; it is a functional shift in perspective where we operate from our seated position in heavenly places to legislate peace and authority over earthly circumstances.
HOLISTIC HEALING AND DIVINE DNA
​Before a roar can be released, there is a season of deep, internal healing. The Holy Spirit’s work is described not as a finger-pointing exercise, but as a restorative process that removes the "labels" of past mistakes. This allows an individual’s true God-inspired DNA to surface. Whether it is through "witting inventions" in business or the effortless flow of spiritual gifts, the supernatural finds its most effective expression through the natural conduits of our unique personalities and talents.

Step Into Your Own Encounter

"It’s time to stop sitting in the pews of your past and start walking through the doors God is opening in your spirit. To dive deeper into living Spiritually Brave, visit kristenwambach.com and subscribe to the Interviewing Jesus Podcast. Take your rightful place—the world is waiting for your roar."

The Supernatural Reality & Living "Spiritually Brave"

"Kristen Wambach Authority: Engaging Heaven-to-Earth, Activation of Spiritual Senses, and Demystifying Supernatural Experiences. 30 years of ministry legacy providing a biblically sound foundation for spiritual exploration."

• A Life of Spiritual Bravery: A Conversation with Kristen Wambach (Attune 40 Podcast)

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•       ​The Art of Being with God (At Home Is Now Podcast)

•     Embracing A Journey of Spiritual Bravery (The Audacious Living Podcast)

•  Trusting Your Spirit (Perspective with Viv Podcast)

•     Living "Spiritually Brave" (Wake Up the Lions! with Rory Paquette)

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PRESS RELEASE
Acclaimed Author and Spiritual Leader Kristen Wambach Issues a Global Call to "Wake Up the Lions" in New Transformational Series
OREGON, USA — Kristen Wambach, the host of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast and a trusted global authority on spirit-led living, is announcing a provocative new focus within her "Pillar 1: The Supernatural Reality" framework. Centered on the theme of "Spiritually Brave" living, Wambach is calling for a modern reformation—moving believers beyond traditional religious "boxes" and into a legislative, ascended relationship with the Divine.
Drawing from over 30 years of investigative journaling of the spirit, Wambach’s latest insights challenge the status quo of the modern church. "The Father never set up His tent on the inside of the camp," Wambach explains. "To truly roar with the authority we were given, we must be willing to step beyond the walls of doctrine and into the actual experience of heavenly places."

As an ordained pastor, experienced spiritual coach, and acclaimed author, Wambach bridges the gap between high-level spiritual concepts and practical, everyday application. Her "Spiritually Brave" movement focuses on several key areas of transformation:

• Legislating the Supernatural: Moving beyond passive prayer to standing in the "Courts of Heaven" to address the root causes of sickness, storms, and personal conflict.
  
• Healing the Identity: A deep focus on the Holy Spirit’s role in removing the "labels" of past mistakes to reveal an individual’s God-inspired DNA.
  
• Developing Spiritual Senses: Practical training for believers to see, hear, taste, and touch the reality of heaven in their daily lives.
  
• The "Witting Inventions" of Faith: Demonstrating how spiritual maturity leads to practical creative breakthroughs and entrepreneurial success.
  

"It is time to wake up the lions," says Wambach. "The world doesn't need more people sitting in pews; it needs sons and daughters who know how to communicate heart-to-heart and spirit-to-spirit with the Creator."
Kristen Wambach is a seasoned entrepreneur and the voice behind the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, a long-running spiritual program dedicated to bridging heaven and earth through soul-stirring conversations. Her work has empowered thousands to navigate life with heavenly wisdom and authentic purpose.
For more information, interview requests, or to access the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, please visit kristenwambach.com.
About Kristen WambachKristen Wambach is an ordained pastor, transformational spiritual leader, and the host of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast. With a background in entrepreneurship and a deep commitment to biblical truth, she serves as a "Spiritually Brave" expert, helping seekers and leaders alike develop their spiritual senses and connect with their divine calling.

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