SHOWING UP FOR DESTINY: IDENTITY, INDIVIDUAL RESPONSIBILITY, AND THE RESTORATION OF ALL THINGS
Featuring Kristen Wambach on Show Up Podcast with Daryl Dittmer
The gap between the chaos of day-to-day existence and our deep spiritual calling can often feel like an insurmountable divide. We white-knuckle the steering wheel of our lives, our businesses, and our families, waiting for a breakthrough to land on us.
But as I recently discussed with host Daryl Dittmer on the Show Up Podcast, sustainable transformation does not happen while we are sitting in the audience. It requires the raw courage to step onto the stage of our own lives and partner with God.
But as I recently discussed with host Daryl Dittmer on the Show Up Podcast, sustainable transformation does not happen while we are sitting in the audience. It requires the raw courage to step onto the stage of our own lives and partner with God.
Time is to govern creation, not us."
—Kristen Wambach
The Payoff-First Reality:
True healing and personal restoration do not emerge from severe self-criticism or religious box-checking. They unlock the precise moment you step out of the isolation of shame, take absolute personal responsibility for your choices, and accept that your identity is completely anchored in a good Father who provides Himself before you ever make a move.
THE ENCOUNTER THAT REWRITES YOUR DNA
Many of us were handed a "box" of religion—generational rules, historical doctrines, and rigid boundaries. While these frameworks are familiar, they frequently create a barrier for people seeking a vibrant, living relationship with the Creator. For decades, I lived within that heritage. But at 50 years old, I asked a single, honest question that changed my entire posture as a spiritual investigative journalist:
"What really happened that day I first came into your heart?"
What followed was a profound awakening. God completely opened my spiritual senses, allowing me to perceive Jesus not as a distant historical doctrine, but as an active participant standing right in our places of faith. This pivotal shift took me out of the exhausting trap of performance and dropped me squarely into Sonship—understanding my identity from the inside out.
When you discover who Jesus says that you are, the exhausting fight to find God ends. You stop striving, and you start living from the steady assurance of His presence.
"What really happened that day I first came into your heart?"
What followed was a profound awakening. God completely opened my spiritual senses, allowing me to perceive Jesus not as a distant historical doctrine, but as an active participant standing right in our places of faith. This pivotal shift took me out of the exhausting trap of performance and dropped me squarely into Sonship—understanding my identity from the inside out.
When you discover who Jesus says that you are, the exhausting fight to find God ends. You stop striving, and you start living from the steady assurance of His presence.
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Our First Inteview: Building the Faith Muscle: Spiritual Bravery and the Journey
When we write down our impressions, our intuition, our feelings... then that honors that faith muscle. The muscle starts to get used to functioning... and supporting where it is that you see faith is going to lead you on that journey."
—Kristen Wambach
Key Highlights & Core Truths From the Episode
- God Speaks Through Perfect Timing: Kristen shares a stunning personal miracle—a poem appearing on a vintage marquee sign in downtown Corvallis at the exact moment she needed confirmation before hitting the publish button. It is a beautiful reminder that He meets us directly in the paths we normally walk.
- God Can Handle Your Anger: Honest emotion does not scare Him. Kristen shares a transparent look at screaming at Jesus in prayer over a leather pouch of one hundred diamonds, proving that He looks past the expression of intense emotion to see the true intent of the heart underneath.
- Spiritual Encounter is For Everyone: Hearing God and perceiving the unseen is not reserved for a select few. Developing your spiritual senses is a tangible gift available to every single believer.
- The Humanity of Jesus: Because Christ was 100% human, He truly understands betrayal, isolation, and suffering. His literal descent into the lower realms of the earth to take captivity captive gives us the ultimate biblical authority to trust Him with our deepest vulnerabilities.
- Nothing Can Outrun God's Love: No mistake, poor choice, or failure is stronger than His redeeming goodness. His love is entirely unstopped by human error.
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Show UP Transcript The Secret to Spiritual Courage guest Kristen Wambach
0:00 Daryl: This life is up to me. There's help. There's people. There's God. There's the universe. There's energy. There's all kind of stuff that can move in the direction with me.
0:11 Kristen: Mhm. And assist me, but I've got to do the work.
0:22 Daryl: Today, I'm joined by Kristen Wambach. We all fight the gap between where we are and where we're meant to be. We struggle to merge our spiritual calling with our day-to-day chaos. My guest today doesn't just talk about faith. She brings us into the actual conversation. Kristen Wambach is an ordained pastor, a coach, and the host of Interviewing Jesus podcast, which I was honored to be on. She has mastered the art of letting go of the struggle to find God and simply hear him and find out what it means to live spiritually brave. Welcome, Kristen. Great to see you again.
1:01 Kristen: Hello, Daryl. Hello, listeners. I am grateful that I'm showing up.
1:11 Daryl: I'm grateful you're showing up to the Show Up podcast. That's that's uh it's great to see you because I you know every time we have had the opportunity to speak it's just been a great conversation and and you know the cool thing is is we don't know where it's going to go but it just goes to to cool places.
1:27 Kristen: It does. It does.
1:33 Daryl: So So you have a a book out. I want to get that out there. A brand new book that published two days ago. Can you just give us a brief little synopsis?
1:44 Kristen: A brief synopsis. How do you put 440 pages in a brief synopsis? Daryl,
1:52 Daryl: we'll get to the other side of it toward the end, too. We'll we'll go through it again.
1:56 Kristen: Yeah. And your listeners just went said that. Yeah. It's uh the name of the book is called How Good is God with an exclamation mark. And I will leave this there for thought. God is so much goodter than our current bandwidth about him.
2:25 Daryl: All right.
2:26 Kristen: God is so much goodter than our current bandwidth about him.
2:29 Daryl: Well, we're going to have to hit that as we go. Um cuz that brings up so many questions for me and I'm sure it brings up so many questions for from a you know from a listener perspective. But you know what tell me one thing about that Kristen if you if you would in terms of just how you're framing that for you.
2:56 Kristen: Very redemptive and very restorative.
2:59 Daryl: M well, I have spent most of my life not having a clue what I'm doing and banging my head against the wall and screwing a thousand things up. And I'm still here and I'm still smiling. And I think that has a lot to do with with the faith that I have in in the God that I understand or fail to understand. I have to throw that in there.
3:25 Kristen: Yeah.
3:26 Daryl: Because when you we both can understand when we wrestle with life, when we fight with life, we duke it out. And sometimes we walk away, many times we walk away with a either a a broken bone or a black eye from our own fight. The cool thing that I've learned and experienced about God, when I say experience, meaning that he responds back is that none of that has gone to waste. None of it's gone to waste. None of it's down the toilet. It's not a waste of life, waste of time. And it is phenomenal the way he restores something that was really important to you. Yeah. Including me, right?
4:30 Kristen: And I think that's that's the the really cool thing is and and it it brings to mind for me, you know, the lessons we get throughout this life. And I look at it as free training, free therapy, free whatever, right? You get the lessons in life and it's like, okay, what am I going to do with this? And and I I believe those things are, you know, they they come from God because he's trying, I believe, to move us this way. And a lot of times we're trying to, you know, do that or just kind of coast. And he's like, no. So, we get those lessons and then and then once we finally sort of get it on one issue or topic or whatever it is, this that lesson goes away and it's replaced by a different one that I need to get better at something else, right? I mean, seems to be how it works.
5:30 Kristen: Well, I've come to the conclusion if you just say, "Excuse me, I'm going to stay in kindergarten where you always have to hold everybody's hand before you walk across the street." You have to say, "Please, thank you." And you constantly have to learn. That's a pretty good place to be.
5:56 Daryl: Yeah. Yeah, that is a great place to be.
5:59 Kristen: I actually I did some clips recently for like promo stuff and and my clips so the clips recently have had to do with you know and this I think talks to what we're we're discussing now but but um you know I I get these I I can't let God live my life for me like God's because I think some people say well you know God's here so I don't have to do this or this or that and it's like well I don't believe that because I believe God gave me the capability and the strength and everything I need to do this this and that and then it's up to me whether or not I do it.
6:54 Kristen: Yeah. I mean, Jesus was fully human and and that's that's an area where people struggle with because they'll always come back and say, "But uh but he was he was God." I go, "Well, yes, but it clearly says says that he laid down his divinity, his he laid it down because if he was not fully human, I could find an excuse. But because he was fully human and also had to learn to hear from God, learn to know God's heart and show up. Jesus had to show up. And if Jesus shows up, I can show up. Wherever Jesus went, wherever it's written that he went and he experienced, hello, write my name on it. So can I.
7:54 Daryl: Yeah, and that's a really cool way to think about it. And I love having discussions that are out of the sort of mainstream thought process, especially truly about God or Jesus because because some of the some of the most wonderful wisdom about living and about showing up and about not being a bum is in the Bible. and and there's wonderful places to find all kinds of wisdom. There's been, you know, thousands of years of authors and people who are inspired and they talk about wonderful things and we can learn from all of them. But you know, and and the Bible is an interesting place and I don't look at the Bible from a religion perspective. I look at the Bible from a, you know, this has some wonderful things to teach me about life perspective, just like Jesus. Like, if I could sit down with him right now and be like, "Coach me, man. Tell me what to do."
8:59 Kristen: Exactly. Right. Yes.
9:04 Daryl: Because I don't know. I mean, I'm doing the best I can, but but he's better at it, you know.
9:12 Kristen: Well, then then I I find my myself showing up, doing the work, doing the best that me, myself, and I can, you know, put on the the piece of paper, set on the table for the day. And then I find myself like, all right, it's time for me to take my hands off of it. And that's where your faith believes that okay, it's God's turn to use that testament, to use that life application to help somebody else.
9:58 Daryl: Yeah. And and I believe there's for me there's an element to that of okay well I've done what's in front of me to be done today and and a huge part for me is I am not the dude in charge of the results. I'm the guy in charge of the my attitude and my effort. And that is where I like to just, you know, here's here's the wheel for the bus. You go ahead and drive, God. You know, to the extent that I am able to let those things go is really powerful. And sometimes I'm better at it than other times. Sometimes I suck at it. I imagine it's similar with the publishing process. I mean, it was for me, right? Like Yeah.
10:55 Kristen: So my husband who is now he secretly says the word retired and I keep telling him that is not an appropriate word. I said how about we called refired whatever. I said just get that one out of your brain. But he's been at home through my my put my butt in the chair since November and you know, come on, let's muscle this thing out. Let's let's get her done. And uh it took a little longer than November, but that's when I decided to actually, you know, put it forward so that you, okay, do it. Write it. You've left this chapter out. Come on, let's get this done. Let's do it. and then him watching my the publishing process of oh my gosh you didn't shoot your computer you know I mean the stupid idiotic things that that we have to figure out that you know they come back you download your your manuscript and all of a sudden it goes won't work but they never tell you why it didn't work it's a guessing pain of how you have to tweak it to get it to fit their exact specifications. So, thank my husband has a new new opinion on my ability to walk out patience, but it's not something I ever prayed for because my grandma told me not to. Don't ever pray for patience because life gives you enough, right? You'll get run over if you pray for patience.
12:42 Daryl: Well, the good news is it's only 444 pages, right? So, you know, the the manuscript must have been That's unbelievable. That is That's a hund That's I think it's about 120,000 words.
12:54 Kristen: Oh, wow. I know. Wow.
13:01 Kristen: And I tried I I I did I laid it out and did the whole sacrifice thing of like, well, what are we going to cut out? you know, let's pinch this down to get something that, you know, that feels consumable by another person. Because you think about the reader when we present our offerings. I mean, that's got life written on it. It's got sweat, sweat, blood, and tears written on it. And we're supposed to cut something out so that it is easier for a person to consumer consume. I think we could talk about that.
13:42 Daryl: Yeah. Well, in our scrolling in our scrolling quick, you know, quick, right? Instant gratification, right? Yeah. Uhhuh. There's a lot to that before we get to instant gratification. Yeah. Because that's a huge Yeah. I mean, that is to me, and I'm not going to say it's the opposite of showing up, but it certainly gives me a whole bunch of reasons to not show up, right?
14:15 Kristen: Yes.
14:16 Daryl: Because because writing a book, publishing a book, doing things where the reward takes time is a commitment that a lot of times, you know, people aren't willing to make. And and if I haven't said it yet, congratulations to you on this venture. And that's wonderful.
14:37 Kristen: Thank you. I am very pleased with the outcome. That's awesome. I'm right in that place where you can feel because people are just starting to read. The ones who who get the print ones, I don't think they've they've arrived yet. So you you actually feel as the writer, the author just kind of like, oh, people are are starting to to read it, you know, and they your words and there's such a place of sacrificed and humility there for some because People can read your words and they can take it from so many different perspectives and that can mess with your mind.
15:22 Daryl: Tell me about it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, here's the interesting thing. I was going to go into something else, but now you got me latched onto this. So, so here's here's the interesting thing, Kristen, is you could get 200 five-star reviews and you get one twostar review by somebody who's angry about something else that day allegedly or they didn't like the book, but I f I can't believe that. And then it's like, oh man, I got a two star review. Meanwhile, you got a stack of five star reviews, you know, like where what is that? I don't know what that is. I do know what that is, but I'm going to ask you anyway.
16:09 Kristen: Humility. It's Yeah, it's just getting past it. Don't Don't I mean, on YouTube, you you you get people and they comments and it's kind of like, geez, why would they ever say anything like that at all? and put it online, you just go, "Oh my gosh." And I mean, if it's if it's abusive or crass, I just delete it, right? But even if it's opposite, if it's as long as it it is not a personal hate message, I will respond and thank them for taking the time. Because sometimes just a person honoring that they've taken the time, even if you don't like what they said, that opens the door for them to begin to actually listen to their own words.
17:07 Daryl: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think and I'm I will not pretend that the things that I've written are for everybody and and I understand that and and that's completely cool. And if somebody has some, you know, criticism for me that's not just full of like something crazy, I will absolutely, you know, take it into consideration for the next time I write or the next time I try to profess something or whatever. You know, I don't want to be the last thing I would want to do is is hurt anyone or knee-jerk reaction to, you know, oh, they didn't say wonderful things about me or my book or whatever. But, you know, I'm not always the easiest dude either. you know, like I'm I can be a little tough on things and myself and and you know, just and it and it really is most of my life and and most of the things I I discuss have to do with showing up and have to do with don't leave somebody else to do it. Don't expect God to do it for you. You know what I mean? Like that kind of thing. And I can be pretty hard when it comes to that because because I want people to get it. I really want people to understand that this life is up to me. There's help. There's people. There's God. There's the universe. There's energy. There's all kind of stuff that can move in the direction with me and assist me. But I've got to do the work. And that's what I try to impart to people.
18:54 Kristen: I think you do a very good job at that, Daryl.
18:57 Daryl: Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you. It's really important to me because and and and you know, I've gone so if if if here is not doing the work and here is doing the work and then here is being absolute nut job and doing way too much, I probably live over here somewhere somewhere between here and here. I have a feeling that might happen with you sometime.
19:24 Kristen: Oh my gosh. This last week I was just reformatting my my epub and that is your for your Kindle or your Nook and you have to basically strip your print manuscript so there's no to to separate it out to so it can be read digitally. and my titles that are connected with chapters like chapter one d you know here's the chapter well what the software did is it put the chapter one on its own individual page so Holy Spirit woke me up at two in the morning and says you got to get up you got to get up you got to get up so I got up and I sat down and I was looking at how the proof of the epub and I couldn't figure about how to get the chapter 1, chapter 2 on the same page. You know, they have little things that say, you know, keep the text together and it just wouldn't do it. It took me 12 hours.
20:28 Daryl: Oh, 12 hours to get those little letters to cohabitate on the same page. Wow. Well, and and and you probably didn't take a break or if you did, you took like five minutes or something.
20:50 Kristen: I know.
20:51 Daryl: Yeah. I'm the same way. I'm like a dog with a bone and I have to talk myself off the ledge. But you know what the good news is, Kristen? I'm better than I used to be.
21:05 Kristen: Yes. Praise God. Aren't we?
21:08 Daryl: Yeah. Better than I used to be. All right so so there's the question that I that I can't leave aside but we can we can go as long as you want to go on it uh or as short as you want to go on it but but if you would please tell me because I think it helps to relate you know to understanding people's stories tell me about an event or a time in your life that caused you to show up for your life in a different way.
21:37 Kristen: Yeah. And you gave me just a little bit of a close pin on this one before we started and Holy Spirit said, "Talk about this." And I went, "Really?" Okay. It is in the book. I really had to show up. So, I had an abortion when I was 21 from my first marriage. And I wasn't actually listening to God at all for those decisions in my life back then. I didn't ask him his opinion. So take years later, I'm you know now a mom. I have four sons. So all of this, we'd been going through transformation and working on brokenness and those things that we do because we start showing up for ourselves. And I came to this place because I started ministering and encouraging people and that in my life and my sons are in their teens, right? And all of a sudden this shame was just beating the crap out of me. What if my boys found out that I had had an abortion and that I can tender that that shame of I've got to confront this because it's beating me up. And so I talked to God and said, "Is this something you want me to do?" Because when you put light on a matter in your own heart, it removes the darkness. You take that flashlight and you just say, "I'm showing this is right here. This is it." And the darkness just can't be there anymore. And how could I show up for other people if I didn't deal with the shame that had boxing gloves on it and want to hit me in the face every day. But I had to be sure and so I was at peace in my spirit. Now I had to ask God to set up the time the timing because timing is important so that they are also in a place that they can talk about a have a conversation. And so I decided all right let's just start it from the oldest and work their way down. And I asked my oldest, oh, he must have been 17, 18, not graduated from high school yet. And I said, I need to share something with you. We need to go for a walk, you know, and that street just was not long enough for that particular conversation. Wow. And you can't unspill milk, right? So, I remember telling him that, you know, I had had an abortion when I was 21 and they didn't even know that I'd been married before. And and he just wrapped his arms around me and said, "Mom, I had no idea. I'm so sorry that you went through that kind of pain." And every one of my sons did that. They responded the same way. And that just kicked shame in the teeth and it never showed up again. I never felt like, oh, what happens if they hear? If they hear, if they hear, you know, now I'm I'm going to put a firm ministry clause here. I knew that. I knew that Jesus had asked me to share this. I knew that was part of my redemptive calling that I would be speaking to women who had suffered the same type of choices. But this is my clause. We do not need to bring up, dig up that which God has forgiven. And so I I say that because it's really important that you have Jesus strength and peace behind you to just share something that is already been dealt with between you and him. So that was my I had to to show up in something that was so frightful to think that my kids would think bad of me, you know.
26:56 Daryl: And thank you so much for sharing that, Kristen. That is that was that was something and and the courage to share that is awesome. Thank you. Um, and I'm sorry that you had to go through that, but you know what? That was such a beautiful thing to have happen as far as is how your sons all responded.
27:20 Kristen: Yes. Unbelievable. And I'm I'm going to put a little carrot because there's more to the story. You know, a carrot that you you hang carrots in front of people. Yeah. There's more to the story. And that is also in the book of how good God is. And had you or I not walked out those really hard places to kick shame in its teeth, it wouldn't have supported us and strengthened us to be able to help others. Right.
27:58 Daryl: Absolutely right. And and it's interesting because when I refer to that type of a situation and whatever it is that I need to address or confront or, you know, I I call it the bully. It's the bully because it's beating the crap out of me. And and the the cure for the bully is turn around and exactly what you said, kick the bully in the teeth. That is the cure for the bully. And that is that's the sometimes the most frightening thing to do because ultimately the bully is me. The bully is me not being able to to be okay with me. And I and I and I for me it's forgiving myself. For me it's it's taking that, you know, I I have to allow the light in like you said. And and it's up to me to turn around and kick the bully in the teeth. And I have help and I have, you know, I have God and I have people and I have all the wonderful things to help me. But man, sometimes is it scary.
29:21 Kristen: It is. You you feel like well especially when there's other people that are involved because you know you don't share those deep intricate places with people that don't haven't walked a few miles with you. Right.
29:41 Daryl: Right. No. Yeah.
29:43 Kristen: You're you are not responsible for how they respond. Right. Right.
29:51 Daryl: Absolutely. And that's that's part of the doing the work, right? Like doing the work and leaving the results up to God or however anybody wants to fashion God in their life, whether it's universe or energy or it doesn't matter goodness, whatever. I I I'm a firm believer in that. Whatever works for someone's life, but but that's where we hand over that wheel and say, you know what, I I'm going to do my work and then here you go. Here's the wheel. you can you can handle how it unfolds. Mhm. And that's very freeing.
30:29 Kristen: It's very freeing to not have to have my grubby little fingers in what I think the results should be because I don't mean this in a disparaging way to myself, but I'm not smart enough. I don't I don't run all this stuff, right? Like I don't I I'm not I I don't make eggs, you know? I don't make goats. Something else much bigger than me does. So, I can't figure this stuff out. I can just do what's in front of me to be done. And then the results the results go where they go. But I will say this and I'll shut up after this because I want you to talk. My life is a thousand times better, if not more, than I could have ever imagined when I was younger. And that's doesn't have to do with me. That has to do with it has to do with me doing the work, but it has to do with God. It has to do with grace. It has to do with direction. It has to do with how I've been led. And that's a that's a pretty cool thing.
31:39 Daryl: I agree. It is a very cool thing. So, Kristen, what do we do when other people decide that they don't want to show up? Excuse me.
32:02 Kristen: Well, I have learned and am learning and recently to be prepared for such occurrences cuz when the first time it shows up and your expectations are not shared, then it kind of catches you off guard. hard and but the grace in that is okay I need to be better prepared because there are people who don't show up don't respond don't do their homework and I mean that's different from somebody who apologizes says I'm here but I had these um hindrances before I got here that's a different thing. But when they don't show up, when you've handed them something that is very valuable to you, it's difficult. It can challenge you. And it is important to know what your intent is ahead of time. And I I I suppose my rough road lesson that helps me in that is I used to do that with my husband all the time because I'm one of those mover shaker change the world kind of in your face gal. This doesn't surprise you. You know, here's my black and white gray. I don't see gray. Do you see gray in there? And finally, you know, the Lord just had to get on me and he goes, "You know what? You got to free your husband from your own expectations.
33:54 Daryl: What is the old saying, Kristen? Expectations are planned disappointments. I'd not heard that.
34:03 Kristen: They used to say when I first got into the 12 steps and many many moons ago and they would say expectations are planned resentments.
34:14 Daryl: Really?
34:15 Kristen: Yeah. And I was like, "Oh, I think I can touch those words a few times." But then I'm looking at my life and I'm like, "Oh, I think they're right." You know, I think they're right. Yeah. But that was a lesson that I learned many years ago. I've been married 43 years, so I think I've had a few times around the block to actually learn that. And those lessons um have proven helpful when you're out there trying to change the world, you know.
34:54 Daryl: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's amazing. And not right, wrong, good or bad, but it's amazing how many people aren't necessarily movers and shakers and change the world and help and care about honor and all that sort of thing. There's just people that don't have that mechanism and it sucks.
35:22 Kristen: Okay. It's it's time for it's time for a question. Yes, ma'am. Are you sure they don't have the mechanism?
35:31 Daryl: Well, they have it. They're just not utilizing it.
35:33 Kristen: There you go. They're not responding from it 100%. Yeah. They're living their life with all of the, you know, the refuse that's on top of this stuff that is responding in the way that they could, but there's a lot of things in between.
35:50 Daryl: Yeah. So, good clarification. Thank you for that because that's true.
35:53 Kristen: But I think that's what you and I are called to help people engage the mechanism.
36:00 Daryl: Right. Right. Get those gears clicking, moving the right way. Absolutely. And and I'm a firm believer that everybody's on their own path and the universe or God or whatever is trying to move them this way, but some people just aren't going to get it. And I have to discern where I'm going to spend my time because I can beat my head against the wall trying to change someone that doesn't want to change. Or you know what? maybe if I put my time over here and this person actually is willing. I think that's crucial.
36:40 Kristen: It is. And I agree with how you said it. The discernment of who actually honors the value that you share, right? And and you know what? I I may not be the right teacher for a lot of people, and that's completely cool. Mhm. you know, and and and I get it because I'm similar to you. I'm pretty black and white. I will get in your grill if I feel it's necessary and and you know, that's my that's my way. And some people embrace that. Some people need that, you know, to sort of shake them out of the the malaise. Um, but some people don't respond to it. And that's completely cool, you know, if if if I'm not the right teacher. Mhm. Mhm. Now, I would say to you because it's I'm familiar with it. It's called the redemptive gift prophet. You find that in Romans 12.
37:38 Daryl: Interesting. I'm going to look at that.
37:45 Kristen: Redemptive gift. Yeah, you can. I'm going to look at that. It's in the book. Oh, it's in the book. It's in the book. I'm not the first one to go over Yeah. I'm not the first one to talk about the redemptive gifts, but when you understand how they are embedded in your DNA, then it helps you to strengthen and encourage those that aren't. Because I find myself as the redemptive gift prophet, I need a whole lot of mercy people around me. As much as they drive me crazy, I need them because they keep my heart soft, but they need me because I tell them, "Nope, that's enough. You're not spending that person's not honoring your time, right?" So, it it you work it works together that ebb and flow of relationship.
38:49 Daryl: Yeah. Yeah, it's like a like a balancing mechanism. Yeah, absolutely. Kristen, I know we could talk for a lot longer. However, we are Let's talk a little bit more about anything you want to say about your book in terms of, you know, just letting people know um whatever you'd like them to know about your book, how to find it, how to find you, all that great stuff.
39:16 Kristen: my book, How Good is God, Coaching Church Beyond the Gates of Hell to Truly Experience Heaven. As I I started out in the beginning, God is goodter and with your little apostrophes over here, God is goodter than our current bandwidth about him. And I can actually say yes, he is. And I have stories and encounters and testimonies of people being healed by four stage cancer. Um so I can say yes he is better and a question that I will that I ask myself and the book ask the reader because it's a responsive guide so to speak. It's a responsive. It's you don't read it and say, "Oh, okay." No, it's asking you questions the whole way so that you can sift through. It's a book that asks the person to show up. Are you going to show up? Why are you going to show up? Why aren't you going to show up? What's in the way of why you say would say I'm not going to show up? Or if you disagree with me, well, why do you disagree with me? And if you went and asked Jesus, what would he say? Well, I never thought about asking him. Well, don't you think that's a good place to start? The book can be found at all of your online retailers globally. If you're in the US and you'd like a signed copy, you can find it at kristenwambach.com. And I'm sure Daryl will put that link in his show notes.
41:07 Daryl: He will.
41:08 Kristen: He will. I'm rather proud of it and you will the the rest of the story of the redemptive purposes that that I shared from when I had my abortion to sharing with my sons. God is gooder than that. And it's an oh my guarantee you'd never guess it.
41:35 Daryl: Thank you, Kristen. I am I am going to buy the book. I am going to buy your book and uh we're actually going to be taking off for a little jaunt. Uh so I will have something else to read while I'm gone, which is cool.
41:50 Kristen: I hope there's nice turquoise waters and warm warm weather where you're going.
41:58 Daryl: There's supposed to be. So I hope so, too.
42:02 Kristen: Good. So when you're reading it, think of me.
42:05 Daryl: Yes. I will I will do that. Um, thank you so much, Kristen. It's so wonderful to see you and and uh I love our our discussions and I
42:14 Kristen: as well. I as well. Thank you, Daryl.
42:22 Daryl: Thank you for joining us on the Show Up podcast. To learn more about me, my coaching, or my books, please feel free to visit my website, darylditmer.com. d a r y l d i t m e r.com. Thank you.
0:00 Daryl: This life is up to me. There's help. There's people. There's God. There's the universe. There's energy. There's all kind of stuff that can move in the direction with me.
0:11 Kristen: Mhm. And assist me, but I've got to do the work.
0:22 Daryl: Today, I'm joined by Kristen Wambach. We all fight the gap between where we are and where we're meant to be. We struggle to merge our spiritual calling with our day-to-day chaos. My guest today doesn't just talk about faith. She brings us into the actual conversation. Kristen Wambach is an ordained pastor, a coach, and the host of Interviewing Jesus podcast, which I was honored to be on. She has mastered the art of letting go of the struggle to find God and simply hear him and find out what it means to live spiritually brave. Welcome, Kristen. Great to see you again.
1:01 Kristen: Hello, Daryl. Hello, listeners. I am grateful that I'm showing up.
1:11 Daryl: I'm grateful you're showing up to the Show Up podcast. That's that's uh it's great to see you because I you know every time we have had the opportunity to speak it's just been a great conversation and and you know the cool thing is is we don't know where it's going to go but it just goes to to cool places.
1:27 Kristen: It does. It does.
1:33 Daryl: So So you have a a book out. I want to get that out there. A brand new book that published two days ago. Can you just give us a brief little synopsis?
1:44 Kristen: A brief synopsis. How do you put 440 pages in a brief synopsis? Daryl,
1:52 Daryl: we'll get to the other side of it toward the end, too. We'll we'll go through it again.
1:56 Kristen: Yeah. And your listeners just went said that. Yeah. It's uh the name of the book is called How Good is God with an exclamation mark. And I will leave this there for thought. God is so much goodter than our current bandwidth about him.
2:25 Daryl: All right.
2:26 Kristen: God is so much goodter than our current bandwidth about him.
2:29 Daryl: Well, we're going to have to hit that as we go. Um cuz that brings up so many questions for me and I'm sure it brings up so many questions for from a you know from a listener perspective. But you know what tell me one thing about that Kristen if you if you would in terms of just how you're framing that for you.
2:56 Kristen: Very redemptive and very restorative.
2:59 Daryl: M well, I have spent most of my life not having a clue what I'm doing and banging my head against the wall and screwing a thousand things up. And I'm still here and I'm still smiling. And I think that has a lot to do with with the faith that I have in in the God that I understand or fail to understand. I have to throw that in there.
3:25 Kristen: Yeah.
3:26 Daryl: Because when you we both can understand when we wrestle with life, when we fight with life, we duke it out. And sometimes we walk away, many times we walk away with a either a a broken bone or a black eye from our own fight. The cool thing that I've learned and experienced about God, when I say experience, meaning that he responds back is that none of that has gone to waste. None of it's gone to waste. None of it's down the toilet. It's not a waste of life, waste of time. And it is phenomenal the way he restores something that was really important to you. Yeah. Including me, right?
4:30 Kristen: And I think that's that's the the really cool thing is and and it it brings to mind for me, you know, the lessons we get throughout this life. And I look at it as free training, free therapy, free whatever, right? You get the lessons in life and it's like, okay, what am I going to do with this? And and I I believe those things are, you know, they they come from God because he's trying, I believe, to move us this way. And a lot of times we're trying to, you know, do that or just kind of coast. And he's like, no. So, we get those lessons and then and then once we finally sort of get it on one issue or topic or whatever it is, this that lesson goes away and it's replaced by a different one that I need to get better at something else, right? I mean, seems to be how it works.
5:30 Kristen: Well, I've come to the conclusion if you just say, "Excuse me, I'm going to stay in kindergarten where you always have to hold everybody's hand before you walk across the street." You have to say, "Please, thank you." And you constantly have to learn. That's a pretty good place to be.
5:56 Daryl: Yeah. Yeah, that is a great place to be.
5:59 Kristen: I actually I did some clips recently for like promo stuff and and my clips so the clips recently have had to do with you know and this I think talks to what we're we're discussing now but but um you know I I get these I I can't let God live my life for me like God's because I think some people say well you know God's here so I don't have to do this or this or that and it's like well I don't believe that because I believe God gave me the capability and the strength and everything I need to do this this and that and then it's up to me whether or not I do it.
6:54 Kristen: Yeah. I mean, Jesus was fully human and and that's that's an area where people struggle with because they'll always come back and say, "But uh but he was he was God." I go, "Well, yes, but it clearly says says that he laid down his divinity, his he laid it down because if he was not fully human, I could find an excuse. But because he was fully human and also had to learn to hear from God, learn to know God's heart and show up. Jesus had to show up. And if Jesus shows up, I can show up. Wherever Jesus went, wherever it's written that he went and he experienced, hello, write my name on it. So can I.
7:54 Daryl: Yeah, and that's a really cool way to think about it. And I love having discussions that are out of the sort of mainstream thought process, especially truly about God or Jesus because because some of the some of the most wonderful wisdom about living and about showing up and about not being a bum is in the Bible. and and there's wonderful places to find all kinds of wisdom. There's been, you know, thousands of years of authors and people who are inspired and they talk about wonderful things and we can learn from all of them. But you know, and and the Bible is an interesting place and I don't look at the Bible from a religion perspective. I look at the Bible from a, you know, this has some wonderful things to teach me about life perspective, just like Jesus. Like, if I could sit down with him right now and be like, "Coach me, man. Tell me what to do."
8:59 Kristen: Exactly. Right. Yes.
9:04 Daryl: Because I don't know. I mean, I'm doing the best I can, but but he's better at it, you know.
9:12 Kristen: Well, then then I I find my myself showing up, doing the work, doing the best that me, myself, and I can, you know, put on the the piece of paper, set on the table for the day. And then I find myself like, all right, it's time for me to take my hands off of it. And that's where your faith believes that okay, it's God's turn to use that testament, to use that life application to help somebody else.
9:58 Daryl: Yeah. And and I believe there's for me there's an element to that of okay well I've done what's in front of me to be done today and and a huge part for me is I am not the dude in charge of the results. I'm the guy in charge of the my attitude and my effort. And that is where I like to just, you know, here's here's the wheel for the bus. You go ahead and drive, God. You know, to the extent that I am able to let those things go is really powerful. And sometimes I'm better at it than other times. Sometimes I suck at it. I imagine it's similar with the publishing process. I mean, it was for me, right? Like Yeah.
10:55 Kristen: So my husband who is now he secretly says the word retired and I keep telling him that is not an appropriate word. I said how about we called refired whatever. I said just get that one out of your brain. But he's been at home through my my put my butt in the chair since November and you know, come on, let's muscle this thing out. Let's let's get her done. And uh it took a little longer than November, but that's when I decided to actually, you know, put it forward so that you, okay, do it. Write it. You've left this chapter out. Come on, let's get this done. Let's do it. and then him watching my the publishing process of oh my gosh you didn't shoot your computer you know I mean the stupid idiotic things that that we have to figure out that you know they come back you download your your manuscript and all of a sudden it goes won't work but they never tell you why it didn't work it's a guessing pain of how you have to tweak it to get it to fit their exact specifications. So, thank my husband has a new new opinion on my ability to walk out patience, but it's not something I ever prayed for because my grandma told me not to. Don't ever pray for patience because life gives you enough, right? You'll get run over if you pray for patience.
12:42 Daryl: Well, the good news is it's only 444 pages, right? So, you know, the the manuscript must have been That's unbelievable. That is That's a hund That's I think it's about 120,000 words.
12:54 Kristen: Oh, wow. I know. Wow.
13:01 Kristen: And I tried I I I did I laid it out and did the whole sacrifice thing of like, well, what are we going to cut out? you know, let's pinch this down to get something that, you know, that feels consumable by another person. Because you think about the reader when we present our offerings. I mean, that's got life written on it. It's got sweat, sweat, blood, and tears written on it. And we're supposed to cut something out so that it is easier for a person to consumer consume. I think we could talk about that.
13:42 Daryl: Yeah. Well, in our scrolling in our scrolling quick, you know, quick, right? Instant gratification, right? Yeah. Uhhuh. There's a lot to that before we get to instant gratification. Yeah. Because that's a huge Yeah. I mean, that is to me, and I'm not going to say it's the opposite of showing up, but it certainly gives me a whole bunch of reasons to not show up, right?
14:15 Kristen: Yes.
14:16 Daryl: Because because writing a book, publishing a book, doing things where the reward takes time is a commitment that a lot of times, you know, people aren't willing to make. And and if I haven't said it yet, congratulations to you on this venture. And that's wonderful.
14:37 Kristen: Thank you. I am very pleased with the outcome. That's awesome. I'm right in that place where you can feel because people are just starting to read. The ones who who get the print ones, I don't think they've they've arrived yet. So you you actually feel as the writer, the author just kind of like, oh, people are are starting to to read it, you know, and they your words and there's such a place of sacrificed and humility there for some because People can read your words and they can take it from so many different perspectives and that can mess with your mind.
15:22 Daryl: Tell me about it. Yeah. Yeah. Well, here's the interesting thing. I was going to go into something else, but now you got me latched onto this. So, so here's here's the interesting thing, Kristen, is you could get 200 five-star reviews and you get one twostar review by somebody who's angry about something else that day allegedly or they didn't like the book, but I f I can't believe that. And then it's like, oh man, I got a two star review. Meanwhile, you got a stack of five star reviews, you know, like where what is that? I don't know what that is. I do know what that is, but I'm going to ask you anyway.
16:09 Kristen: Humility. It's Yeah, it's just getting past it. Don't Don't I mean, on YouTube, you you you get people and they comments and it's kind of like, geez, why would they ever say anything like that at all? and put it online, you just go, "Oh my gosh." And I mean, if it's if it's abusive or crass, I just delete it, right? But even if it's opposite, if it's as long as it it is not a personal hate message, I will respond and thank them for taking the time. Because sometimes just a person honoring that they've taken the time, even if you don't like what they said, that opens the door for them to begin to actually listen to their own words.
17:07 Daryl: Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I think and I'm I will not pretend that the things that I've written are for everybody and and I understand that and and that's completely cool. And if somebody has some, you know, criticism for me that's not just full of like something crazy, I will absolutely, you know, take it into consideration for the next time I write or the next time I try to profess something or whatever. You know, I don't want to be the last thing I would want to do is is hurt anyone or knee-jerk reaction to, you know, oh, they didn't say wonderful things about me or my book or whatever. But, you know, I'm not always the easiest dude either. you know, like I'm I can be a little tough on things and myself and and you know, just and it and it really is most of my life and and most of the things I I discuss have to do with showing up and have to do with don't leave somebody else to do it. Don't expect God to do it for you. You know what I mean? Like that kind of thing. And I can be pretty hard when it comes to that because because I want people to get it. I really want people to understand that this life is up to me. There's help. There's people. There's God. There's the universe. There's energy. There's all kind of stuff that can move in the direction with me and assist me. But I've got to do the work. And that's what I try to impart to people.
18:54 Kristen: I think you do a very good job at that, Daryl.
18:57 Daryl: Thank you. I appreciate that. Thank you. It's really important to me because and and and you know, I've gone so if if if here is not doing the work and here is doing the work and then here is being absolute nut job and doing way too much, I probably live over here somewhere somewhere between here and here. I have a feeling that might happen with you sometime.
19:24 Kristen: Oh my gosh. This last week I was just reformatting my my epub and that is your for your Kindle or your Nook and you have to basically strip your print manuscript so there's no to to separate it out to so it can be read digitally. and my titles that are connected with chapters like chapter one d you know here's the chapter well what the software did is it put the chapter one on its own individual page so Holy Spirit woke me up at two in the morning and says you got to get up you got to get up you got to get up so I got up and I sat down and I was looking at how the proof of the epub and I couldn't figure about how to get the chapter 1, chapter 2 on the same page. You know, they have little things that say, you know, keep the text together and it just wouldn't do it. It took me 12 hours.
20:28 Daryl: Oh, 12 hours to get those little letters to cohabitate on the same page. Wow. Well, and and and you probably didn't take a break or if you did, you took like five minutes or something.
20:50 Kristen: I know.
20:51 Daryl: Yeah. I'm the same way. I'm like a dog with a bone and I have to talk myself off the ledge. But you know what the good news is, Kristen? I'm better than I used to be.
21:05 Kristen: Yes. Praise God. Aren't we?
21:08 Daryl: Yeah. Better than I used to be. All right so so there's the question that I that I can't leave aside but we can we can go as long as you want to go on it uh or as short as you want to go on it but but if you would please tell me because I think it helps to relate you know to understanding people's stories tell me about an event or a time in your life that caused you to show up for your life in a different way.
21:37 Kristen: Yeah. And you gave me just a little bit of a close pin on this one before we started and Holy Spirit said, "Talk about this." And I went, "Really?" Okay. It is in the book. I really had to show up. So, I had an abortion when I was 21 from my first marriage. And I wasn't actually listening to God at all for those decisions in my life back then. I didn't ask him his opinion. So take years later, I'm you know now a mom. I have four sons. So all of this, we'd been going through transformation and working on brokenness and those things that we do because we start showing up for ourselves. And I came to this place because I started ministering and encouraging people and that in my life and my sons are in their teens, right? And all of a sudden this shame was just beating the crap out of me. What if my boys found out that I had had an abortion and that I can tender that that shame of I've got to confront this because it's beating me up. And so I talked to God and said, "Is this something you want me to do?" Because when you put light on a matter in your own heart, it removes the darkness. You take that flashlight and you just say, "I'm showing this is right here. This is it." And the darkness just can't be there anymore. And how could I show up for other people if I didn't deal with the shame that had boxing gloves on it and want to hit me in the face every day. But I had to be sure and so I was at peace in my spirit. Now I had to ask God to set up the time the timing because timing is important so that they are also in a place that they can talk about a have a conversation. And so I decided all right let's just start it from the oldest and work their way down. And I asked my oldest, oh, he must have been 17, 18, not graduated from high school yet. And I said, I need to share something with you. We need to go for a walk, you know, and that street just was not long enough for that particular conversation. Wow. And you can't unspill milk, right? So, I remember telling him that, you know, I had had an abortion when I was 21 and they didn't even know that I'd been married before. And and he just wrapped his arms around me and said, "Mom, I had no idea. I'm so sorry that you went through that kind of pain." And every one of my sons did that. They responded the same way. And that just kicked shame in the teeth and it never showed up again. I never felt like, oh, what happens if they hear? If they hear, if they hear, you know, now I'm I'm going to put a firm ministry clause here. I knew that. I knew that Jesus had asked me to share this. I knew that was part of my redemptive calling that I would be speaking to women who had suffered the same type of choices. But this is my clause. We do not need to bring up, dig up that which God has forgiven. And so I I say that because it's really important that you have Jesus strength and peace behind you to just share something that is already been dealt with between you and him. So that was my I had to to show up in something that was so frightful to think that my kids would think bad of me, you know.
26:56 Daryl: And thank you so much for sharing that, Kristen. That is that was that was something and and the courage to share that is awesome. Thank you. Um, and I'm sorry that you had to go through that, but you know what? That was such a beautiful thing to have happen as far as is how your sons all responded.
27:20 Kristen: Yes. Unbelievable. And I'm I'm going to put a little carrot because there's more to the story. You know, a carrot that you you hang carrots in front of people. Yeah. There's more to the story. And that is also in the book of how good God is. And had you or I not walked out those really hard places to kick shame in its teeth, it wouldn't have supported us and strengthened us to be able to help others. Right.
27:58 Daryl: Absolutely right. And and it's interesting because when I refer to that type of a situation and whatever it is that I need to address or confront or, you know, I I call it the bully. It's the bully because it's beating the crap out of me. And and the the cure for the bully is turn around and exactly what you said, kick the bully in the teeth. That is the cure for the bully. And that is that's the sometimes the most frightening thing to do because ultimately the bully is me. The bully is me not being able to to be okay with me. And I and I and I for me it's forgiving myself. For me it's it's taking that, you know, I I have to allow the light in like you said. And and it's up to me to turn around and kick the bully in the teeth. And I have help and I have, you know, I have God and I have people and I have all the wonderful things to help me. But man, sometimes is it scary.
29:21 Kristen: It is. You you feel like well especially when there's other people that are involved because you know you don't share those deep intricate places with people that don't haven't walked a few miles with you. Right.
29:41 Daryl: Right. No. Yeah.
29:43 Kristen: You're you are not responsible for how they respond. Right. Right.
29:51 Daryl: Absolutely. And that's that's part of the doing the work, right? Like doing the work and leaving the results up to God or however anybody wants to fashion God in their life, whether it's universe or energy or it doesn't matter goodness, whatever. I I I'm a firm believer in that. Whatever works for someone's life, but but that's where we hand over that wheel and say, you know what, I I'm going to do my work and then here you go. Here's the wheel. you can you can handle how it unfolds. Mhm. And that's very freeing.
30:29 Kristen: It's very freeing to not have to have my grubby little fingers in what I think the results should be because I don't mean this in a disparaging way to myself, but I'm not smart enough. I don't I don't run all this stuff, right? Like I don't I I'm not I I don't make eggs, you know? I don't make goats. Something else much bigger than me does. So, I can't figure this stuff out. I can just do what's in front of me to be done. And then the results the results go where they go. But I will say this and I'll shut up after this because I want you to talk. My life is a thousand times better, if not more, than I could have ever imagined when I was younger. And that's doesn't have to do with me. That has to do with it has to do with me doing the work, but it has to do with God. It has to do with grace. It has to do with direction. It has to do with how I've been led. And that's a that's a pretty cool thing.
31:39 Daryl: I agree. It is a very cool thing. So, Kristen, what do we do when other people decide that they don't want to show up? Excuse me.
32:02 Kristen: Well, I have learned and am learning and recently to be prepared for such occurrences cuz when the first time it shows up and your expectations are not shared, then it kind of catches you off guard. hard and but the grace in that is okay I need to be better prepared because there are people who don't show up don't respond don't do their homework and I mean that's different from somebody who apologizes says I'm here but I had these um hindrances before I got here that's a different thing. But when they don't show up, when you've handed them something that is very valuable to you, it's difficult. It can challenge you. And it is important to know what your intent is ahead of time. And I I I suppose my rough road lesson that helps me in that is I used to do that with my husband all the time because I'm one of those mover shaker change the world kind of in your face gal. This doesn't surprise you. You know, here's my black and white gray. I don't see gray. Do you see gray in there? And finally, you know, the Lord just had to get on me and he goes, "You know what? You got to free your husband from your own expectations.
33:54 Daryl: What is the old saying, Kristen? Expectations are planned disappointments. I'd not heard that.
34:03 Kristen: They used to say when I first got into the 12 steps and many many moons ago and they would say expectations are planned resentments.
34:14 Daryl: Really?
34:15 Kristen: Yeah. And I was like, "Oh, I think I can touch those words a few times." But then I'm looking at my life and I'm like, "Oh, I think they're right." You know, I think they're right. Yeah. But that was a lesson that I learned many years ago. I've been married 43 years, so I think I've had a few times around the block to actually learn that. And those lessons um have proven helpful when you're out there trying to change the world, you know.
34:54 Daryl: Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, it's amazing. And not right, wrong, good or bad, but it's amazing how many people aren't necessarily movers and shakers and change the world and help and care about honor and all that sort of thing. There's just people that don't have that mechanism and it sucks.
35:22 Kristen: Okay. It's it's time for it's time for a question. Yes, ma'am. Are you sure they don't have the mechanism?
35:31 Daryl: Well, they have it. They're just not utilizing it.
35:33 Kristen: There you go. They're not responding from it 100%. Yeah. They're living their life with all of the, you know, the refuse that's on top of this stuff that is responding in the way that they could, but there's a lot of things in between.
35:50 Daryl: Yeah. So, good clarification. Thank you for that because that's true.
35:53 Kristen: But I think that's what you and I are called to help people engage the mechanism.
36:00 Daryl: Right. Right. Get those gears clicking, moving the right way. Absolutely. And and I'm a firm believer that everybody's on their own path and the universe or God or whatever is trying to move them this way, but some people just aren't going to get it. And I have to discern where I'm going to spend my time because I can beat my head against the wall trying to change someone that doesn't want to change. Or you know what? maybe if I put my time over here and this person actually is willing. I think that's crucial.
36:40 Kristen: It is. And I agree with how you said it. The discernment of who actually honors the value that you share, right? And and you know what? I I may not be the right teacher for a lot of people, and that's completely cool. Mhm. you know, and and and I get it because I'm similar to you. I'm pretty black and white. I will get in your grill if I feel it's necessary and and you know, that's my that's my way. And some people embrace that. Some people need that, you know, to sort of shake them out of the the malaise. Um, but some people don't respond to it. And that's completely cool, you know, if if if I'm not the right teacher. Mhm. Mhm. Now, I would say to you because it's I'm familiar with it. It's called the redemptive gift prophet. You find that in Romans 12.
37:38 Daryl: Interesting. I'm going to look at that.
37:45 Kristen: Redemptive gift. Yeah, you can. I'm going to look at that. It's in the book. Oh, it's in the book. It's in the book. I'm not the first one to go over Yeah. I'm not the first one to talk about the redemptive gifts, but when you understand how they are embedded in your DNA, then it helps you to strengthen and encourage those that aren't. Because I find myself as the redemptive gift prophet, I need a whole lot of mercy people around me. As much as they drive me crazy, I need them because they keep my heart soft, but they need me because I tell them, "Nope, that's enough. You're not spending that person's not honoring your time, right?" So, it it you work it works together that ebb and flow of relationship.
38:49 Daryl: Yeah. Yeah, it's like a like a balancing mechanism. Yeah, absolutely. Kristen, I know we could talk for a lot longer. However, we are Let's talk a little bit more about anything you want to say about your book in terms of, you know, just letting people know um whatever you'd like them to know about your book, how to find it, how to find you, all that great stuff.
39:16 Kristen: my book, How Good is God, Coaching Church Beyond the Gates of Hell to Truly Experience Heaven. As I I started out in the beginning, God is goodter and with your little apostrophes over here, God is goodter than our current bandwidth about him. And I can actually say yes, he is. And I have stories and encounters and testimonies of people being healed by four stage cancer. Um so I can say yes he is better and a question that I will that I ask myself and the book ask the reader because it's a responsive guide so to speak. It's a responsive. It's you don't read it and say, "Oh, okay." No, it's asking you questions the whole way so that you can sift through. It's a book that asks the person to show up. Are you going to show up? Why are you going to show up? Why aren't you going to show up? What's in the way of why you say would say I'm not going to show up? Or if you disagree with me, well, why do you disagree with me? And if you went and asked Jesus, what would he say? Well, I never thought about asking him. Well, don't you think that's a good place to start? The book can be found at all of your online retailers globally. If you're in the US and you'd like a signed copy, you can find it at kristenwambach.com. And I'm sure Daryl will put that link in his show notes.
41:07 Daryl: He will.
41:08 Kristen: He will. I'm rather proud of it and you will the the rest of the story of the redemptive purposes that that I shared from when I had my abortion to sharing with my sons. God is gooder than that. And it's an oh my guarantee you'd never guess it.
41:35 Daryl: Thank you, Kristen. I am I am going to buy the book. I am going to buy your book and uh we're actually going to be taking off for a little jaunt. Uh so I will have something else to read while I'm gone, which is cool.
41:50 Kristen: I hope there's nice turquoise waters and warm warm weather where you're going.
41:58 Daryl: There's supposed to be. So I hope so, too.
42:02 Kristen: Good. So when you're reading it, think of me.
42:05 Daryl: Yes. I will I will do that. Um, thank you so much, Kristen. It's so wonderful to see you and and uh I love our our discussions and I
42:14 Kristen: as well. I as well. Thank you, Daryl.
42:22 Daryl: Thank you for joining us on the Show Up podcast. To learn more about me, my coaching, or my books, please feel free to visit my website, darylditmer.com. d a r y l d i t m e r.com. Thank you.
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WEARING DOWN THE SHARP EDGES
During our conversation, Daryl and I explored the beautiful, sometimes painful metaphor of walking a shoreline. Life tumbles us. It presents us with stones, shells, and broken shards of glass. True personal maturity requires us to make intentional, daily decisions about what mindsets, relationships, and habits to pick up and put in our pocket—and which ones to deliberately leave behind in the sand.
This process of discarding what no longer serves our spirit is challenging, but it is precisely how our sharp edges are softened.
This process of discarding what no longer serves our spirit is challenging, but it is precisely how our sharp edges are softened.
—"God, how good are you in this situation?"
Years ago, my husband and I faced a catastrophic business failure. We lost our home, our company, and our financial stability, forced to relocate with our tails between our legs. It was an environment thick with vulnerability and potential shame. Yet, it was in that very wilderness that the concepts behind my book, HOW GOOD IS GOD?, were forged.
God did not sit above us with a heavy thumb of judgment. Instead, He invited us to sit on the beach with Him, showing us that He does not use our trials to punish us; He uses the tumble of life to shape us into people who can handle structural restoration with deep humility and unwavering gratitude. Today, our thriving business, Rabbit’s Trail Supply, stands as a physical monument to that exact restorative grace.
God did not sit above us with a heavy thumb of judgment. Instead, He invited us to sit on the beach with Him, showing us that He does not use our trials to punish us; He uses the tumble of life to shape us into people who can handle structural restoration with deep humility and unwavering gratitude. Today, our thriving business, Rabbit’s Trail Supply, stands as a physical monument to that exact restorative grace.
THE WORKOUT REGIMEN FOR LASTING FREEDOM
We often wait on God to fix our circumstances, but divine restoration is an active partnership. It requires us to exercise our faith muscle through everyday actions.
- Honoring the Snippets: When you receive a quiet impression, an intuitive nudge, or an aha moment in the middle of the night, write it down. Journaling is how we show honor to the Speaker.
- Becoming a Student of Your Life: Documenting your path removes the need to repeat the same painful lesson 17 times. Your spiritual resonance sharpens, allowing you to instantly catch when your attitude or actions are out of sync with the Spirit.
- Drawing Healthy Boundaries: Showing up for your life means refusing to let toxic patterns wipe their feet on you. True spiritual bravery means standing strong in your own worth and firmly saying, "No, that behavior is not okay."
- Freedom is completely available to you the moment you put down the self-inflicted buttkicking machine and choose to sit with Love Himself. No part of your personal story is wasted, your sharp edges are being smoothed for a purpose, and it is never too late to start showing up.
Monday-Morning Activations
- The Desk Check: Write down one heavy mindset, toxic habit, or outdated belief system you are still carrying. Commit to leaving it on the beach this week.
- The Honor Habit: Place a pen and paper by your bed or keep your phone notes open. The very next time you receive a quiet spiritual insight, write it down immediately to honor the listening.
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Dismantling the Shame-Loop and Stepping into the Courtroom of Grace
In my 30 years of ministry and 20 years of specialized coaching, I have been deeply trained in powerful inner healing modalities. My journey has taken me through intense spiritual training grounds—from being certified by the John G. Lake Healing School to graduating from the Bethel School of Supernatural Ministry, alongside deep training in the structural keys of SOZO and the breakthrough mechanics of Lie Busters.
What this collective decades-long pursuit taught me is simple: you cannot fix a supernatural wound with a natural toolkit.
When you are trapped in a cycle of self-criticism, shame, or fear, you aren't just dealing with bad habits—you are dealing with an internal legal dispute. The adversary wants to hold you to the old evidence of your past failures, keeping your sharp edges jagged. To break that loop, you have to stop arguing on the ground and learn how to step directly into Heaven's courtroom to bust the lies at their root. Here is how we apply this practical, Spiritually BRAVE routine to our everyday lives.
What this collective decades-long pursuit taught me is simple: you cannot fix a supernatural wound with a natural toolkit.
When you are trapped in a cycle of self-criticism, shame, or fear, you aren't just dealing with bad habits—you are dealing with an internal legal dispute. The adversary wants to hold you to the old evidence of your past failures, keeping your sharp edges jagged. To break that loop, you have to stop arguing on the ground and learn how to step directly into Heaven's courtroom to bust the lies at their root. Here is how we apply this practical, Spiritually BRAVE routine to our everyday lives.
1. Identify the Accusation (The Subpoena): Locate the Friction. Pay attention to the sudden heavy wave of anxiety, shame, or the familiar thought that says, "You will never recover from what you lost." This isn't just a random feeling; it is an illegal accusation designed to keep you off the bus. Stop, catch it in the moment, and identify exactly what the lie is claiming about your identity.
2. Step into the Courts of Heaven: Change Venues. Do not try to argue with the lie or fix it using your own logic. Instead, consciously shift your focus. Close your eyes, find the quiet space, and step directly into the throne room of God. Present yourself before the Father not as a criminal trying to defend a mistake, but as a beloved Child (Sonship) stepping into a courtroom of pure grace where the Judge is already completely for you.
3. File the Counter-Suit (Busting the Lie): Repent and Release. Face the accusation directly in the courtroom. If there is truth to where you messed up, say it plainly: "Father, I agree that I operated in fear or pride here." Then, invoke the higher law of grace. Ask the Father, "What is the lie I am believing right now, and what is the real verdict You are handing me?" Listen for the live voice of the Spirit (Rhema Shift).
4. Enforce the Heavenly Verdict: Step into the Light. When God speaks the truth over your identity—revealing that you are completely clean, fully restored, and deeply loved—that becomes the binding legal reality of your life. Step out of the courtroom, tear up the old generational box of expectations, and walk through your Monday morning entirely aligned with your true, God-inspired DNA.
2. Step into the Courts of Heaven: Change Venues. Do not try to argue with the lie or fix it using your own logic. Instead, consciously shift your focus. Close your eyes, find the quiet space, and step directly into the throne room of God. Present yourself before the Father not as a criminal trying to defend a mistake, but as a beloved Child (Sonship) stepping into a courtroom of pure grace where the Judge is already completely for you.
3. File the Counter-Suit (Busting the Lie): Repent and Release. Face the accusation directly in the courtroom. If there is truth to where you messed up, say it plainly: "Father, I agree that I operated in fear or pride here." Then, invoke the higher law of grace. Ask the Father, "What is the lie I am believing right now, and what is the real verdict You are handing me?" Listen for the live voice of the Spirit (Rhema Shift).
4. Enforce the Heavenly Verdict: Step into the Light. When God speaks the truth over your identity—revealing that you are completely clean, fully restored, and deeply loved—that becomes the binding legal reality of your life. Step out of the courtroom, tear up the old generational box of expectations, and walk through your Monday morning entirely aligned with your true, God-inspired DNA.
Self-love learns to exist by hanging out with Love Himself."
— Kristen Wambach
The Monday-Morning BreakthroughThe primary difference between waiting on a breakthrough and actively partnering with God is knowing which court you are fighting in. The moment you stop defending your faults and let Love Himself hand down the final verdict, the old legal right of shame is completely broken. Your sharp edges don't just get smoothed over time; the entire record of the cut is entirely erased.
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Identity, Sonship & Healing"Unlock the blueprint of your creation. Leveraging 20 years of transformation coaching, Kristen Wambach guides you into the discovery of your Spiritual DNA calling. This pillar is dedicated to anchoring your Identity in Christ and experiencing the miraculous restoration that occurs when your life aligns with Heaven’s original intent."
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Spiritual Investigative Journalist Kristen Wambach Featured on Show Up Podcast with Daryl Dittmer to Discuss Identity, Inner Healing, and Her Book How Good Is God? CORVALLIS, OR — Acclaimed author, ordained pastor, and transformation coach Kristen Wambach recently appeared as a featured guest on the Show Up Podcast with host Daryl Dittmer. In a deeply transparent and impactful dialogue, Wambach shared the raw personal history, spiritual blueprints, and practical inner healing tools that undergird her transformative 400-page investigative manual, How Good Is God?. Pivoting under the Show Up brand’s focus on presence, transparency, and personal accountability, the episode details how individuals can actively dismantle patterns of shame and fear to bridge the gap between their daily marketplace chaos and their authentic, divine destiny. |
During the broadcast, Wambach unpacked her transition from an "inherited religious tradition" to an experiential, relational connection with God—a shift she defines as moving from the religious mind to a fluid, active Rhema connection.
"True personal restoration does not emerge from self-criticism or religious box-checking," Wambach stated during the interview. "It unlocks the precise moment you step out of the isolation of shame, take absolute personal responsibility for your choices, and accept that your identity is completely anchored in a good Father."
Key Highlights of the Broadcast Include:
Pillar 2: Identity, Sonship & Healing.
About Kristen Wambach:
Kristen Wambach is an ordained pastor, marketplace transformation coach, and recognized spiritual investigative journalist. She is the creator and host of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, the author of The Unfinished Book, and the creator of the upcoming Coaching Church platform. Dedicating over three decades to simplifying supernatural experiences and developing spiritual senses, she guides leaders, entrepreneurs, and seekers into their God-inspired DNA calling. She operates her international corporate consulting networks out of Corvallis, Oregon.
#Media Contact:
Kristen Wambach
kristenwambach.com
[[email protected]]
"True personal restoration does not emerge from self-criticism or religious box-checking," Wambach stated during the interview. "It unlocks the precise moment you step out of the isolation of shame, take absolute personal responsibility for your choices, and accept that your identity is completely anchored in a good Father."
Key Highlights of the Broadcast Include:
- Exercising the "Faith Muscle": A practical workout regimen for spiritual development utilizing intentional journaling to record intuitive "snippets" and build an active conversational history with God.
- The Shoreline Metaphor for Lifelong Maturity: Insights on navigating life’s trials as a tumbling process that smooths away sharp, cutting emotional edges, turning pain into beautiful resilience.
- A Monument to Restoration: Wambach shares the personal story of a catastrophic real estate and business "blow apart" that eventually served as the fertile ground for her book and the supernatural launch of her thriving enterprise, Rabbit’s Trail Supply.
- Coaching Church Activations: Practical, clear protocols for moving beyond psychological coping mechanisms and operating directly within the Courts of Heaven to legally break generational cycles and recurring self-doubt.
Pillar 2: Identity, Sonship & Healing.
About Kristen Wambach:
Kristen Wambach is an ordained pastor, marketplace transformation coach, and recognized spiritual investigative journalist. She is the creator and host of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, the author of The Unfinished Book, and the creator of the upcoming Coaching Church platform. Dedicating over three decades to simplifying supernatural experiences and developing spiritual senses, she guides leaders, entrepreneurs, and seekers into their God-inspired DNA calling. She operates her international corporate consulting networks out of Corvallis, Oregon.
#Media Contact:
Kristen Wambach
kristenwambach.com
[[email protected]]




