TRUSTING YOUR SPIRIT: A MASTERCLASS IN SPIRITUAL BRAVERY

We are spiritual beings that live in a body. If God is a spirit, he’s going to talk a language here. Don’t you think we should learn that language so he can speak to us?" — Kristen Wambach

In a recent, soul-stirring conversation on the Perspectives with Viv podcast, I had the privilege of diving deep into what it truly means to trust your spirit. For many, the "mystical" feels like a distant, perhaps even frightening, concept reserved for ancient texts. But as I shared with Viv, living Spiritually BRAVE is about bringing the supernatural into your everyday "boots-on-the-ground" reality.

The Supernatural Reality & Living "Spiritually Brave"​

Living spiritually brave isn't about having all the answers; it’s about having the courage to ask the deep questions. For years, I lived within the safe, predictable confines of traditional religion. I was the "good Baptist girl" who knew the hymns but didn't yet know the heartbeat of the One I was singing to.
The shift happened when I realized that the "God of my childhood" was a small box compared to the expansive, multidimensional Reality of who Jesus actually is. Bravery is the willingness to walk past the "No Trespassing" signs that religious tradition often places around the supernatural. It is the audacity to believe what Jesus said: that we would be where He is.

Our spiritual senses are supposed to be developed. God gave each and every one of us the ability to see, hear, taste, touch, and feel heaven." —Kristen Wambach

The Language of the Spirit

Most people struggle to hear God because they are looking for English words when He is speaking in frequency, light, and sensing. During the interview, we discussed how journaling acts as a "pregnant memory"—a way to honor the nudges and snippets of what we feel in the spirit. When you honor what you sense, you give the Spirit permission to speak louder.

Authority Over the Lower Realms

One of the most profound moments of our discussion centered on the "lower realms." Many are taught to fear the darkness, but as an investigative journalist of the spirit, I’ve learned that the love of God is an all-consuming fire that reaches even into the deepest pits. Whether it’s navigating the "night season" of dreams or standing in authority for the healing of a family line, being Spiritually BRAVE means knowing that you carry the same light that Jesus used to take captivity captive.

Religion is when somebody has an encounter with God and then they camp out there around it and never continue to grow."—Kristen Wambach

​Highlighting the "Beyond"

As I prepare for the launch of my latest manuscript, How Good is God?, I am reminded that our struggles—like my own journey through undiagnosed dyslexia—are often the very things that give us our "trumpet." The flip in the "F" on my book cover is a testament to redemption. It’s a signal that we aren't just surviving this life; we are here to clean up the mess, heal the soil, and function as sons and daughters of the Most High.

EPISODE TAKEAWAYS

• Journaling is a Portal: It is the primary tool for training your spiritual senses and "honoring" the voice of God.
  
• Religion vs. Relationship: Religion is camping around a past encounter; relationship is an evolving, daily conversation.
  
• Oneness is Literal: We were present at "Creation's Table," and that oneness allows us to access heavenly wisdom for earthly problems.
  
• Forgiveness as Empowerment: Forgiving others isn't just about them; it’s about keeping yourself out of the "prison" of the lower frequencies.
  

SHOW TRANSCRIPT

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PERSPECTIVES WITH VIV PODCAST: TRUSTING YOUR SPIRIT
Host: Viv
Guest: Kristen Wambach
0:00 Viv: Hi everyone, this is the Perspectives with Viv podcast. My name is Viv and welcome to the show. Today's title is "Trusting Your Spirit" with Kristen Wambach.
0:10 Viv: Kristen Wambach is an Oregon farm girl who stumbled upon the mystical nature of Christ. Author, podcaster, entrepreneur, and ordained pastor helping you live spiritually brave. Hi Kristen. Thank you so much for joining me.
0:18 Kristen: Hello. Hi.
0:26 Viv: All the way in Nigeria, right?
0:29 Kristen: Yes, I remember. Thank you. I've done my homework. I love that. Yes. Yes. Hello listeners.
0:37 Viv: Hi. So happy to have you here today. Love the energy and I'm really excited to dive into these questions with you.
0:46 Kristen: Yes.
0:46 Viv: So let's start. When was the first time you realized you could see and sense in the spirit?
0:55 Kristen: Well, now that has an interesting answer to it because if my sensing—when I figured out that I could see and sense—it was about in my 30s. I'm 65 now, so about in my 30s. But the wonderful thing about seeing and sensing and your ability to actually travel on the timeline, I could go back and revisit when I sensed and saw as a child, but I had no actual memory of it until Jesus walked me back and says, "No, you've been doing this for years."
1:39 Viv: Lovely, lovely answer to the question. And I guess that's the whole point of evolving on your life journey, right? Being able to look back and think of times when you heard certain messages where you just didn't follow because maybe you didn't trust, maybe you weren't really aware... I remember sometimes back in the day when my intuition used to speak to me, I would listen but I wouldn't act on it. Can you take us back to the moment Jesus started rewriting what you once said yes to? What changed?
2:11 Kristen: Everything changed. Everything changed because one day, as I explained in my book, I was what you would say a "good little Baptist girl" and I was in, you know, row eight, pew seven, left-hand side. And then all of a sudden, you grow, you experience life. I don't talk much to God because I don't find that we're having the same conversation, like in my 20s. And then I'm married and have sons—a couple of sons already—and all of a sudden you realize you're kind of broken and then it's kind of like, "Oh, I really need to have this conversation." So you start having a conversation, and when you're an adult it is totally different than when you're a child. And the God that I was taught as a child was not the same. He had still the same characteristics, the same natures, but he wasn't the same that I perceived when I was a child.
3:28 Viv: That's profound. So, how did God begin teaching you to hear his voice clearly? And what surprised you about that learning curve?
3:37 Kristen: Well, the largest tool that everybody can put their hand on was journaling. I began to write things down because the reason why I started that is because I started to honor how he spoke to me. So when I put honor in it, whether it was just this little snippet or whether it was a feeling... oh, something's changed in the room, something's come in the room... I just went, "Uh, I got that. Oh, I felt that." And I started to write down. So now I have journals in my bathroom, in the kitchen, in the bedroom. And then I started to teach myself to sleep in that lucid place. I started to teach myself to be cognitive and then I started writing down my dreams. But journaling is a wonderful way for life. That's how it taught me to hear God.
4:45 Kristen: And then we went digital and now I can just search back and I go, "Oh, I've been here before, God. Just a minute. I've been here before." And so it keeps all of that. I have this huge, pregnant memory that I can remember, and I can remember prophetic words for other people and it's phenomenal. I'm an avid journaler. I'm a cheerleader.
5:08 Viv: I think that's beautiful because I'm also a journaler... writing down the nudges you've received or the messages you've received from God because you always have a reference point now. I like that you said that you write your dreams down as well because I do believe that dreams have messages. Do you agree?
6:03 Kristen: And it helped me to decipher if it was, for instance, a dream message—because everything is alive in the spirit, everything is light. So there's a dream message and then there's times it's also the area in which God teaches us to translocate because our spirit is not attached to our body. We're like our father's kid; He's omnipresent. So our spirit can be omnipresent as well. And so it taught me to go, "Oh, I'm really here." And it would come in a dream or that lucid place. And then it taught me how to check into it, to be alive in it. So that night season taught me how to be awake in the spirit during the day.
7:04 Viv: Wow, that's profound. Now you said your journey is transformation on steroids. Where does the unfinished book sit inside that transformation?
7:18 Kristen: Oh my goodness. Let me try to do a little nutshell here. So, as a child, I suffered with dyslexia way back in the time when they didn't have it diagnosed. And so, reading and arithmetic and school were just plain old hard. If I wasn't such a cheerleader and a people person, I probably would have flunked out. Now I'm learning about myself. God says this is who I am. He says you carry a voice for your generation and you'll speak and write... and He's telling me something that feels hard to me and I didn't understand it, and then He healed me of the dyslexia.
8:08 Kristen: So on the cover of the book, you'll notice that the "F" has turned around. A lot of times our trials, our struggles that we overcome, is really what gives us the trumpet or the sounding board for us to speak. That change, that discomfort that we put ourselves through... walking through a book that took me 20 years to believe God that I could write. And then I'm loving Jesus. Okay, I can lay hands on the sick and you're starting to see people being healed. I can prophesy on cue... and then He changes the story and He opens up my eyes and now we can see angels. We can see movement in the spirit. We can see things going on in people.
9:20 Kristen: So we had a season of—well, if you open your mouth and tell anybody, they want to cast it out of you. "Oh, well, no, you're not supposed to do this." But I have a relationship with Jesus. He's there. He's present. He showed me everything. I'm going to believe him and just understand that we're going to evolve. Part of the unfinished book was my whole journey of that struggle. First, struggle with my own limitations, then struggle with the fact that nobody talks about this stuff—and if you talk about it, you get ostracized. And so I had those years of silence and then you just get courageous. You just know that you know that you know.
10:23 Kristen: All of a sudden I have the ability to take people into these really cool spiritual places too. Like when Jesus went up on the Mount of Transfiguration, which is really cool because he's going up into a different realm... and he talked to two people from the cloud of witnesses, Elijah and Moses. And the really cool thing is that he took Peter, James, and John up there also. So if he can do it, so can I. I get super excited to share with people and take scripture and say, "Excuse me, it's right here. Can't you see it? It's right here." We are spiritual beings that live in a body.
11:51 Viv: Very interesting story, very compelling because obviously you're referring to chapters in the Bible that you are personally experiencing or have personally experienced a version of. Which story from the book do you return to the most and why does it still speak to you?
12:19 Kristen: Oh, I love the Mount of Transfiguration so much because it's just like, okay, I can point this out and the questions turn into curiosity, which is always wonderful. Let me answer it like this: because we can walk on the timeline... we go up and down and learn the dimensions of creation, the angelic court, the heavenly courts... there's so much. And we go, "Oh, okay. This is why Jesus knew that he could come and overcome because he knew that he could take the enemy to court." And then you have the wonderful opportunity to go to and fro.
13:43 Kristen: First, Jesus holds my hand and you get to walk on the timeline. This is the cool thing about the Bible. I can go forward and I can go backwards. I can go back and sit in a live state in the actual parables, in the actual moment when Jesus is talking to the disciples. You can sit there. It is no longer ink on a paper. It is now living and you're part of that experience with him. You can sit at creation's table. I always asked him, "Okay, Jesus, it says you died before the foundations of the world. How'd you do that?" Well, the reason we are able to do it is because we are included in him in the oneness. He is teaching me how to remember that I was there.
15:43 Viv: Would you identify yourself as religious or spiritual or both?
15:46 Kristen: Oh, spiritual because I take my little revolver out and I shoot the word "religious." Oh, there's no relationship in it. Religion is when somebody has an encounter with God and then they camp out there around it and never continued to grow. They got one perception, which has a truth, but it's not the whole truth, and they didn't continue to grow in the truth. So it becomes a religion stuck in the indoctrination of what originally was a portion of the truth.
16:31 Viv: So true. And for me as a person, I was actually very surprised that you wanted to be on my podcast because I felt like—remember I told you—I said we have different beliefs. But now as you speak, I can see what you're talking about. Especially in my culture, there's this thing against spirituality... everyone likes to bring the devil in for things that they don't understand. So what I'm trying to say is that I do like that I'm seeing parallels with our beliefs.
18:02 Kristen: One of the things—because I love to ask questions—I love to ask Jesus questions. Jesus ascended, right? And he constantly said, "I wish that you would be where I am." We all have this concept that we have to die to be where he is. But my question and my passion is kind of like, "Okay, Jesus... you're seated at the right hand of the father... I want to know you here. I don't want to know just the Jesus who walked on the earth in the ink on the pages." And every time I ascend, he goes, "Come on, why don't you sit here and try this seat? See what it feels like to sit in that relationship with the father?" And he'll ask me, "How would you take care of this, Kristen? How would you solve this problem?"
20:19 Viv: I totally agree with you. Ascension is about reaching that level while being alive. Heaven or hell is right here. It's a state of consciousness. True or false?
20:46 Kristen: Well, I might look at it from a different perspective. Jesus came to overcome sin and death. It clearly says in scripture that we died in him. Okay, I've already died. If I've already died, why is there so much language around death? Our bodies are naturally created to restore themselves. Sin, sickness, decay—they are all part of death; they have no portion in my life. El zippo.
22:14 Kristen: So I have had the wonderful privilege to experience the lower realms of the earth. Jesus died on the cross and where is he for three days? It says he went to the lower realms of the earth to take captivity captive. Well, if he did that, I can do that. And tell me if there's not things in our family line that life itself has stolen?
23:36 Viv: Can you go more into detail about that? Can you give an example?
23:43 Kristen: I'm going to take a moment to put God in perspective—the love of God. God is an all-consuming fire. Scripture doesn't actually say "hell," it calls it "Sheol." Because God is an all-consuming fire and we know "hell" is a really hot place... if God is fire, that means the love of God is there. In our finite mind, we assume he put us away and locked the door. I don't think we got that right. The reason why there's weeping and gnashing of teeth is because we want the right to hang on to our anger. God is a God of free will and he says, "Okay, you can hold on to that for eternity, but I'm going to love you for an eternity."
25:54 Kristen: Here's my testimony. I'm going to put it in a little bit of code. A few years ago, a dear friend of my mother's had a family member diagnosed with stage four breast cancer. She shut herself behind closed doors and wouldn't let anyone in. My mom asked me to pray, and immediately I knew—I had an assignment. I knew that her mother was in Sheol. I confirmed it with the Lord. I went down there and I started to talk. First of all, somebody shows up in hell that they can see. What do you do? Go preach the gospel? No, the love of God shows up. I told her, "Your daughter is suffering... she just needs her mother's love."
28:53 Kristen: That turned her heart. She felt the love of God and she let go of her angst to go love on her daughter. That means she's now part of the cloud of witnesses. Within two weeks, my mom got a call. Her friend's sister totally changed her behavior, came out from behind closed doors, got help, and today she is alive and cancer-free. Who is the best person to minister to a daughter who's hurting? Her mother. If Jesus did it, I can do it.
31:15 Viv: Thank you for sharing that. You talk about living spiritually brave. What does bravery look like when the mystical becomes your everyday?
32:12 Kristen: Well, first of all, I have to believe what Jesus tells me. I had to believe that angels were ascending and descending. I wanted to know Jesus Christ as my Superman. There's a braveness in a person that goes past what is the particular norm. I had to go past religion, I had to go past what the faith of my fathers knew, and ask questions. To me, that's being brave. He's a spirit. Well, if he's a spirit, he's going to talk a language here. Don't you think we should learn that language?
34:07 Viv: I totally agree. Identifying a voice that is divine from the voice of the ego is a big thing. My next question: what does it really mean to "taste and see that the Lord is good" in a world that often forgets how to taste?
34:54 Kristen: It's probably because we don't slow down to eat our meals. If we don't slow down to have a relationship—to prepare our meals, to show hospitality—then how can we actually taste it? God is the same way. He wants us to sit down and have a meal with him.
35:32 Viv: In your view, how does spiritual coaching echo the heart of pastoring?
35:42 Kristen: You have to speak to the level of the hunger people are currently stewarding. The best cue is: what kind of questions are they asking? A spiritual coach is a person who comes in and encourages you to be the best of who you are. A coach asks, "How's that working for you?" and keeps you accountable. That is simply a pastor, too. It's somebody who encourages you to actually know yourself as God knows you.
38:21 Kristen: If I teach you how to see and hear the voice of God, that removes me from you needing me as a middleman. I do believe that there are certain people in the church who have kept the middleman. We don't need the middleman; we need God. If I go out here and I tell you that I'm superpowered but I can't actually teach you or take you there so you can feel the love of God yourself, I'm a fraud.
39:40 Viv: That's so real and true. In Nigeria, we have a problem where people worship their pastors instead of God. They see him as the medium. But I like what you said... turning the congregation towards themselves. I went through that journey myself, moving from religious to spiritual.
44:02 Kristen: [Laughter] Well, you invited me in the beginning to share a reading at the end. May I share what you would call a reading now?
44:30 Viv: Yes, I would love that.
44:36 Kristen: [Music/Reading Administered]
44:41 Viv: Wow, so profound. I just feel my heart really connecting. What would you call this that you just did?
45:05 Kristen: I'd call it love. I am just honored that God gave me the permission to walk on your generational line and see the value he's placed on your family.
45:56 Viv: Thank you. This is the first podcast interview I've done that I've led from the heart. It's real.
46:57 Kristen: I'm just very motivated. We want to change the world. It is our responsibility. So much of the church is blind or ignorant... they just think, "Okay, Jesus rapture me out of here." Heck no. We're here. We got to clean up our mess. Until we figure out that we are the sons of the most high God, I don't see how that's going to change. We are all in oneness. A couple of weeks ago, he showed me this diamond... I saw the prism of myself, but maybe your cut is all the way over here. I need to be in relationship with you so I can see the perspective of the oneness of God we have together.
48:44 Viv: If someone is listening who is curious about the mystical side of Jesus, what would you say to them?
48:52 Kristen: It's too simple. Just go ask Jesus. And then people say, "Well, I don't hear him." I go, "The hearing is the problem, not the talking." If I asked you what you were making for lunch and you didn't say anything back, I'd ask again. It's the same thing with God. Maybe we need to keep it that simple and ask God what he's making for lunch? I have to know that I know that he wants to talk to me.
50:45 Kristen: I tell him my yucky stuff. Sometimes I get in trouble because the Holy Spirit says, "Oh, you felt that and you didn't do anything about it. You felt that hurt and you just pushed it aside." He does not allow me to be the comforter in my life if I push things aside. I'm constantly keeping myself in a place of release.
51:51 Kristen: Forgiveness is at the top of the list of empowerment. When we forgive somebody, it keeps us out of prison. As soon as I say, "Father God, I forgive this person," it puts it in his charge to make sure they learn their lesson—because I've taken my hands off of it.
53:10 Viv: I would love to invite you back because there's so much more to talk about.
53:18 Kristen: One of the funnest things I do—my editor lives in England. We'll be on a Zoom call and all of a sudden my spirit goes "whoop." I can tell when my spirit has moved. I can start to describe the architecture and the land of where she is, and I'm 95% accurate. Some people say that's astral projection... okay, I'm not going to choke on that word. I just know that my spirit can go there. My spirit can go lay hands on the sick. My spirit can go into an airplane that could possibly crash and change the controls. Let's think how our spirit is here to help people. Who needs to play a video game? Go develop your spirit.
55:31 Viv: This has been such a compelling, heartwarming, and expansive episode. What do you do when people don't believe you or don't want to hear it?
55:59 Kristen: Read my book. [Laughter] That was a hard season. Going, "Okay God, I'm not crazy." And then the season of, "I can't talk to anybody because they don't understand." Ignorance just responds with fear instead of saying, "Oh, that's interesting. Let's go ask Jesus." I had to release my expectations from other people that they "should" know this.
1:01:05 Viv: Thank you so much for this wonderful session. I would love for us to do it again sometime. I wish you a lovely day.
1:01:21 Kristen: Oh, it'll be my pleasure. I hope you have a wonderful date night... I have my black leather coat and my boots on, and I get to go hang out and be a tough chick.
1:01:42 Viv: I love that. Thank you so much for joining us. Take care. Bye.

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Final Summary: TRUSTING YOUR SPIRIT: A MASTERCLASS IN SPIRITUAL BRAVERY​

The episode serves as a powerful reminder that we are the "sons and daughters of the Most High," tasked with more than just waiting for a future escape. We are here to take responsibility for the earth—to clean up the "mess," heal the generational lines, and live in a constant state of release through forgiveness. By slowing down to "taste and see," we move from the ink on the page to a vibrant, living encounter that rewrites our DNA calling.

Coaching Church Activations

ACTIVATION 1: THE JOURNALING PORTAL
As we discussed in the Perspectives with Viv interview, journaling is your "pregnant memory." It is how you build credibility with yourself.

1. The Three-Day Catch: For the next 72 hours, keep a journal in your kitchen or car. Do not wait for "big" words.
2. The Prompt: Write down every "random" thought that carries a weight of peace or a sudden shift in room temperature.
3. The Audit: At the end of day three, ask Jesus: "Which of these was a breadcrumb from You?" Circle the ones that feel "alive."

ACTIVATION 2: SITTING AT THE TABLE
Jesus is seated at the right hand of the Father, and according to the Word, you are seated there with Him.

1. The Visualization: Close your eyes and imagine a table. Not a boardroom table, but a family table.
2. The Question: Ask Jesus: "How would You solve [Insert a current global or personal problem] from this seat?"
   
3. The Shift: Note the difference between how you feel about the problem when you are "down here" versus when you are "seated there." Write down the heavenly strategy.

ACTIVATION 3: THE FORGIVENESS EMPOWERMENT
Forgiveness is the highest form of spiritual authority because it removes you from the "lower realms" of resonance.

1. Identify the Prison: Think of a person or religious institution that has "ostracized" or misunderstood you.
2. The Release: Say aloud: "I take my hands off their neck. I hand the responsibility of their growth back to the Father."
   
3. The Result: Pay attention to your physical body. Do you feel a release in your chest or shoulders? That is your soul—the conduit—registering a spiritual frequency change.

THE PAYOFF
By practicing these activations this week, you will begin to notice that the "veil" between your everyday life and the mystical realm becomes thinner. You aren't just reading about a "good little Baptist girl" who found the mystical; you are becoming a Spiritually BRAVE navigator of your own divine destiny.

The Supernatural Reality & Living "Spiritually Brave"

"Kristen Wambach Authority: Engaging Heaven-to-Earth, Activation of Spiritual Senses, and Demystifying Supernatural Experiences. 30 years of ministry legacy providing a biblically sound foundation for spiritual exploration."

• A Life of Spiritual Bravery: A Conversation with Kristen Wambach (Attune 40 Podcast)

•     Grow + Go: Embracing Spiritual Bravery (Em Tyler)

•       ​The Art of Being with God (At Home Is Now Podcast)

•     Embracing A Journey of Spiritual Bravery (The Audacious Living Podcast)

•  Trusting Your Spirit (Perspective with Viv Podcast)

•     Living "Spiritually Brave" (Wake Up the Lions! with Rory Paquette)

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PRESS RELEASE
Global Authority Kristen Wambach Challenges Religious Status Quo in Soul-Stirring Podcast Appearance: "We Are Spiritual Beings Living in a Body"
CORVALLIS, OR — Author, podcaster, and transformation coach Kristen Wambach is calling for a global shift from stagnant religious doctrine to a living, "beyond" relationship with the divine. In a compelling new interview on the Perspectives with Viv podcast, Wambach—a trusted Christian voice with three decades of leadership experience—unpacks the "Spiritually BRAVE" framework, offering a practical path for those seeking supernatural wisdom in an increasingly complex world.
As the host of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, Wambach has dedicated her career to bridging the gap between heaven and earth. During the episode, she shares her journey from a traditional "pew-seated" upbringing to becoming an investigative journalist of the spirit, documenting relational encounters that rewrite lives.

"Religion is often just someone camping out around a past encounter and never continuing to grow," says Wambach. "Living Spiritually BRAVE means having the audacity to believe what Jesus said—that we can be where He is, right now. We have the authority to clean up our world, heal our generational lines, and access heavenly wisdom for earthly problems."
Key Highlights of the Discussion Include:

• The Power of the "Cloud of Witnesses": A profound testimony on how the love of God reaches into every realm to restore family destinies.
  
• Journaling as a Spiritual Portal: Practical keys to training the "Rhema mind" to hear God’s voice through frequency and sensing.
  
• Overcoming Limitations: Wambach discusses her victory over dyslexia and how our greatest trials become the "trumpet" for our message of redemption.
  
• The Oneness Perspective: Moving beyond the "middleman" of religious institutions to engage in a direct, conversational relationship with Jesus.
  

Wambach’s message arrives at a critical time as her highly anticipated manuscript, BEYOND, prepares for its April 1, 2026, launch. The work promises a practical path filled with raw stories, prayer, and simple activations designed to lead readers toward total heart transformation.
"The hearing is not the problem," Wambach asserts. "The honoring of what we hear is where the journey begins."
About Kristen Wambach:
Kristen Wambach is an acclaimed author, ordained pastor, and spiritual coach based in the Pacific Northwest. As the creator of the "Diamond Pass" framework and host of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, she empowers entrepreneurs and seekers to connect with their God-inspired DNA calling. Through her work, she simplifies supernatural experiences into essential lifestyle tools for personal development and global restoration.
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