Recognizing the Crowd in the Room: Developing Your Spiritual Senses

KRISTEN WAMBACH: EXPERT ON THE SUPERNATURAL REALITY

There is no limitation to loving God or for experiencing his love. One thing led to another and love literally opened up doors." — Kristen Wambach

Have you ever noticed a sudden flash of light in your peripheral vision? A quiet shift in the atmosphere of a room? Or perhaps a subtle pressure change that you quickly brushed off as nothing more than a draft or a weather shift?
Most of us have been trained by modern culture—and even by traditional church structures—to ignore these moments. We rationalize them away because we’ve been told that interacting with the unseen world is either reserved for a select few "super-spiritual" heroes, or worse, that it borders on the strange and unstable.
Recently, I sat down with my spiritual father, Dr. George Watkins—who wrote the beautiful foreword for my book How Good is God!—for a live broadcast to dismantle those very barriers. The supernatural realm isn’t a cinematic special effect, and living Spiritually Brave isn't an elite title. It is a practical, accessible lifestyle designed for every single believer.

Moving Beyond the Pews: The Journey of Hunger

My own journey into the supernatural didn't begin in a place of theological comfort. It began in a place of raw, broken trauma. Years ago, while pregnant with my third son and struggling under the weight of a painful marriage, I was completely done with life as I knew it. That desperation brought me to my knees.
I didn't just ask for generic help; I asked questions. Every single question I could think of, I threw at the feet of Jesus. And He answered.

Can you imagine being a being of light and you're assigned to this person who's blind, and your assignment means you have to walk with them for 80 years, 100 years, and they never say a word to you? Part of starting seeing is that agreeing with what you see."  — Kristen Wambach 

The theological doctrines I grew up around always focused on what Jesus used to do on the shores of Galilee. They rarely talked about where He is now—seated on the throne—or what it means for us to be seated in heavenly places right alongside Him. When my hunger outgrew the traditional box, Holy Spirit introduced Himself to me, and my entire world expanded.
I began to see things. Subtle movements, angelic presences, and prophetic pictures. But when I first shared what I was experiencing, I was met with extreme skepticism and institutional caution. I spent years in that lonely, difficult space. Yet, I never stopped developing the sight Jesus gave me. I knew it had a practical purpose.

Testing the Realm: The Sand Dunes of Pacific City​

One of the most defining moments of my early spiritual sight happened on a fifth-grade end-of-the-year field trip with my fourth son. We were at Pacific City, Oregon, surrounded by towering coastal sand dunes. Outwardly, I was just a mom enjoying the beach. Inwardly, I was carrying a secret, hidden spiritual life, starving for someone to talk to about the things I was seeing.
As I sat on the sand, I looked up at the very top of a massive ridge and thought, By George, there are angels up there.
Instead of dismissing it, I decided to test what I was seeing. I asked, "God, if I climb up there, will they still be there?"
I stood up, tramped up the grueling incline of the sand dune, and reached the top of the ridge. They were still there—brilliant beings of light moving around the crest.
The Practical Purpose: Right at the top of that ridge was a hidden, eroded cavern where the dune had collapsed. The entire area was fenced off with signs reading Do Not Enter. It was a highly dangerous drop-off where people had historically lost their lives.
Seeing those angels wasn't a random spiritual trick. It was a revelation of Heaven's practical blueprint: they were stationed precisely where protection was needed most. When I turned around and looked inland toward the town, I watched angels ascending and descending. That day, I learned that my spiritual sight was a functional tool, meant to help me recognize the massive, heavenly workforce operating right in front of our blind eyes.

The Cost of Being Spiritually Brave​

Cultivating your spiritual senses will eventually require you to choose between religious comfort and obedience to God's voice.
While leading women's ministries at a local church, a dear friend of mine—a young campus pastor and mother of a one-year-old—was rushed to the emergency room and life-flighted to OHSU with a collapsed lung. The medical consensus was bleak: they did not expect her to live.
In our Bible studies, the prayers of the saints frustrated me. They were filled with conditional clauses: "If it be your will, Lord..." It felt like we were giving ourselves an excuse to close the casket before we even fought.
Upset and deeply distraught, I went home and prayed aggressively for two weeks. Suddenly, a vivid picture dropped into my spirit. It looked like a child's drawing on construction paper: a simple house with three trees. I didn't fully understand it until I heard the Holy Spirit speak:

That picture you see? Her daughter is going to bring it home to her from kindergarten."—Kristen Wambach

Instantly, the weight broke. I knew, with absolute certainty, that she would live because I was looking four years forward on the timeline. However, when I brought this revelation to the church leadership, I was strictly instructed to keep my mouth shut. They deemed the word "too flaky."
For days, I held that burning word in my heart to be a "good church girl." But when her friend came to me weeping, stating the doctors gave her less than 24 hours to live, I broke the rules. I didn't care about the institutional fallout anymore. I released the word.
Within days, that young mother was completely healed, released from the hospital, and she is alive and loving her family to this day. Being Spiritually Brave means prioritizing the delivery of Heaven’s architectural rescue over the safety of your reputation.

Recognizing the Heavenly Workforce

Dr. Watkins and I discussed a common ache in the modern church: emotional emptiness and a profound sense of isolation. People feel completely alone in their darkest trials. But the scripture reminds us that we are encompassed by a massive cloud of witnesses and heavenly hosts.

Think of it through this practical word picture: If you buy a plot of land to build a house, call the local workforce, and a busload of contractors arrives, what happens if you never step outside? What if you never show them the blueprints, never talk to them, and ignore them for 80 years? You would be a foolish contractor.
Yet, that is exactly how we treat the angelic hosts sent to minister to us. They are eager, brilliant, and incredibly detailed. They care about the massive shifts in your life, but they also care about the minutiae—like ordering the steps of your day or protecting your home from falling branches (like my house angel, Myrna, does consistently!).

How to Exercise Your Spiritual Muscle

If you are struggling to see or hear, remember that your spiritual sight develops exactly like a physical muscle. It requires intentional exercise and the removal of the ultimate barrier: the lie of unworthiness.
The next time you open a physical door in your house, let it serve as a real-time activation. Stop at the threshold, refuse the lie that you haven't "earned" access to God's presence, and step across intentionally. Prophetic sight begins the moment you agree with what He is showing you and match your faith to His current throne-room reality. You are not alone in the room. It’s time to open your eyes and recognize the crowd.

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"HOW GOOD IS GOD" | EPISODE TRANSCRIPT
Host: Viv
Guest: Kristen Wambach
Viv: Hi everyone, welcome back to the Perspective Viv podcast. My name is Viv and this is the show. Today's title is How Good is God with Kristen Wambach.
Viv: We've had Kristen over here before and now we're going to be talking about her new book. So, let me reintroduce you to her. From her roots as an Oregon farm girl to her evolution as a seasoned transformational leader, Kristen Wambach embodies both the mystical and practical nature of Christ. With over 30 years of experience as an ordained pastor alongside her work as an entrepreneur and CEO, she's living proof of what happens when the goodness of God redefines your yes.
Viv: Kristen is the host of the Interviewing Jesus podcast and the author of the 400-page investigative work, How Good is God. She doesn't simply teach theology; she equips others with a bold unconventional blueprint for those ready to challenge limitations, transcend religious boundaries, and live spiritually brave. A trusted mentor in bridging heaven and earth, Kristen stands as an investigative journalist of the spirit. Hi, Kristen. Thank you for joining me.
Kristen: Hi, Viv. Hi, listeners. So much fun. So excited to be back.
Viv: I'm so excited to have you back. I miss your energy. Oh my goodness. Which is so exciting. Yes. So, let's talk about the book immediately. So, when I started reading it, I definitely—I love the way it's written. I think it's written for me. It's definitely considered non-fiction, but it seemed like fiction to me. The voice of it is very whimsical, very bouncy. Your energy comes through the words. I feel cheered on as you describe things.
Viv: I loved how you started off with the downloads, the text messages from God and how you see art is a beautiful medium, especially film. You use different films and downloads from films to, you know, send messages across. I love that. Let's talk about that. First of all, tell me about God's text messages.
Kristen: Well, it happened exactly as I wrote it one night. It was super blustery out and I'm trying to figure out how am I going to squish all of this into a book. How am I going to squish this? And God woke me up five times. And one of the times my son, our oldest son who's a Marine, he texted dad at 2 in the morning. And so he was part of the whole God saying, "Hello, let's rearrange the book this way."
Kristen: But it was so important for me to set a timeline for people, for readers. We need to realize what God has done already. Look over the span of our life. How has he been talking? So that we can come to this point. Not a point of agreement necessarily, but a point of okay, this is what God has released thus far. Now, can we talk from here?
Kristen: You know, and that's what the text messages were because God wanted us to say, "Okay, logic, we need to shake you up a little bit and figure out how are we thinking about God's goodness." And that's why the movies that came through that God used in the text message... the movies is kind of like things aren't... we're not broken. It's not hopeless. God is so much better than our bandwidth about him. And so he's challenging our thinking. He wants us to think and then ask him the simple question: "Well, how good are you, God, in this situation?"
Viv: That's a good question and I guess that's what we're about to find out from your perspective as we talk more about it. So, I love your description and for me so many things to take from it at first read. I liked the football terminology that you used. Oh my goodness. I have a question on it. Let me find it. So you often use football metaphors. The red zone, the end zone, suiting up. How does a sports mindset help a person move from being a spectator in the pews to actually experiencing the supernatural?
Kristen: So I had all these encounters. I knew that I needed to share. That was my passion. I had to share my encounters in the lower realms of the earth. Like nobody talks about this stuff, you know? Nobody talks about encountering Jesus in the tomb and asking the question, "Hey, what happened for those three days?" Hello, what happened those three days when you were in the tomb before when Holy Spirit came and resurrected you? I mean, what happened?
Kristen: And so much significantly happened there. And so, I had to ask that. So you take these mystical encounters and if people aren't used to the mystical or the supernatural, when you put them in a structure like football it helps them to unpack them. And that's the reason why I used football. It all started with—I absolutely love coaching quotes. They motivate me. They speak my language. You know, Vince Lombardi, he speaks my language. I understand it and it motivates me. And that's where the whole book started. And then it just developed. And we put mystical things in a structure so people could learn and feel strong and confident in a structure.
Viv: I love that you said that. You put mystical things in a structure for it to be easily assimilated because from the way you described it, my mind is already being held because of the manner with which you're delivering your message. I think the football terminology is very, very good because it cuts across a lot. You know, Americans love football so much—I mean we have the Super Bowl and everything. It's just brilliant, the medium through which you deliver this message because I was hooked already.
Viv: You open the book by saying, "We don't just have it wrong about God's goodness. We were taught a version that missed it entirely." You called this book a manifesto, an epistle. What made you decide the church needed a manifesto right now in 2026?
Kristen: I can't take credit for it like that. It means God kicked my butt and said you have to share. I mean literally the death doctrines themselves. Do we have any idea how many people believe that if a person commits suicide they are doomed to hell? That is so wrong. That is just so wrong. And that's the reason why I had to write my experiences because Jesus showed me specifically his goodness and I encountered it and that had to be changed. I mean, oh, can you imagine being a parent and losing a child that way? And then you feel like there's nothing you can do. That is so... it's wrong. We were taught wrong.
Viv: I feel like even with all of that, I love how you made it clear that people that commit suicide are not necessarily condemned, which calls people to start to request what it is that they've been taught or what it is that they've been indoctrinated with. And that's very important because I get that with your book, with your messages, you're trying to let people see God from a different way that is outside a particular rigid structure. And you're introducing a new structure that feels softer, less condemning, less judging, and a place where they can find belonging without feeling prejudiced against or judged.
Kristen: Yeah. And one of the things about God is sometimes we forget that he's God. We forget that he's a good father. And like a good father, he planned everything so his kids couldn't outrun him. There isn't anything that we can do that will shock God. There isn't anything that we can do that would get him to separate us from his love. Absolutely nothing. And how prideful is it of us to think that we can make a choice to separate ourselves from God? Hello.
Viv: Wow. I love that because I do think he spoke about union in the Bible where he spoke about, you know, you have to become one with God. I'm paraphrasing by taking part of his flesh and drinking his blood, but really what you were explaining was union—that we're being called to be like brothers and sisters as opposed to separate from God as a force. Tell me more about that please.
Kristen: So in communion when we take communion... in a perspective, when Adam fell, when he misjudged God, he did it through eating. Eve ate an apple. She shared an apple with Adam. So through eating mankind fell. So the coolness of God is, well, how does he redeem mankind? It's through communion—through eating. So when we take his flesh and his blood, all of his promises of who he is, when we eat that, that helps our body to remember that it is restorable. God created our body to remember to restore itself and there isn't any portion of our body that cannot remember to restore itself.
Viv: I like that you spoke about how, you know, through eating, drinking, you're becoming in communion and union with Jesus. But through eating the forbidden apple was what brought about separation or the illusion of separation. And obviously our journey is kind of like to return into union with God. Oh, I love that.
Kristen: If you think about our first estate being in him and who Adam was... and he walked with God in the cooler of the day, and Adam walked back and forth between both realms. Enoch walked back and forth between both realms. Jesus today in his resurrected self walks back and forth between both realms. That is what our original estate is supposed to do—to be able to walk with this body, an immortal body, between heaven and earth. Well, yeah, we have a bit to go. We have a bit to change our thinking and the restoration of our body for that to occur. But it's still what Christ did for us. He redeemed us to that.
Viv: Wow. So Christ was a bridge through which we could walk back into union with ourselves. Yes. Because from what I'm getting, the Bible was written for us to know that we are like Jesus. Right. Behold, if Jesus did the work to act as a bridge, it shouldn't be hard for us to go back into union quickly.
Kristen: Well, we think we're outrunning him, which is really silly. Yeah, that's funny. Exactly. But I love that you use that term. We can't outrun God. He wouldn't be God if we could.
Viv: Yes. So maybe attempting to outrun God because I guess a lot of people do end up using distractions to block them from union back with God.
Kristen: Yeah. But God is... he's just better than our bandwidth. And yes, I don't remember what your last question was.
Viv: What made you decide the church needed the manifesto right now?
Kristen: Yes. It's because if God shows you an answer and you encounter an answer, you have to be responsible to share the answer. We just can't keep these things to ourselves. And like in—which chapter is it? I don't remember all the chapters. Oh, there's so many chapters. I encountered people I knew that I knew that I knew that people went to "hell," so to speak. And I knew that that was not God's desire. That wasn't God's plan. And through that I encountered a fabulous testimony where a very dear person to me got healed of stage four breast cancer. Wow. Just because I believed God. And we just can't keep the mystical hidden because it might feel uncomfortable.
Viv: Yes. I love that we can't keep the mystical hidden because it might feel uncomfortable and the mystical seems like a key to true freedom or true realization, actualization of self.
Kristen: Well, everything begins in the unseen. When we get an idea like a book, like this pen, like the car you're driving—all those things were a thought process, an idea that began in somebody's head and you couldn't see the idea. It didn't have a physical form until somebody started go, "Oh, well, what happens if we did it this way?" And they start to put it together. Well, now what began in the unseen is something that is tangible like your pen or your car or your house. Yeah. Einstein talks an awful lot about that.
Viv: So, in the book you talk about the hellgate and the pew gate. Why do you call How Good is God a dangerous book for the modern church?
Kristen: Let me read this. This was my editing team. This is how they described the book. "Most Christian non-fiction play it safe. They either stay in the shallow end of five steps to a better life, yada yada, or they go to the deep end of dry theology. Your book refuses to do either. It is walking right into the field of blood, suicide, hell, the afterlife, unfinished family business, and plants a flag of hope there. It's bold. It's visually cinematic and frankly it is needed." That is where the word dangerous came from.
Viv: Wow. I love that they said that you are putting a flag of hope in the midst of all of that because it reminded me of that text message in which you said, "find Jesus in the midst of offense."
Kristen: So what I have experienced... the redemptive gifts talked about in Romans 12. Those are gifts that are both heaven and earth. They are embedded within us. So I have encountered those gifts through inner healing ministry, but they were in heaven as well. Oh my gosh. So, it was really fun for me to explain them as if they were an instrument or part of a symphony. Because each one of us can relate to a redemptive gift and see ourselves as portions of a symphony because God is orchestrating that perfect harmony when we come into union with one another.
Viv: Interesting. Wow, that's a lot. And I did remember my thoughts. You said that your book on theology is like a white flag in the midst of chaos. And I think that's very profound.
Kristen: That flag stick—which is a golfing term—the flag stick is what marks the hole. For too long we have allowed "death" to say, "This is it. This is your end place. You have to die before you can experience heaven." It's wrong. It's wrong because heaven and hell is a state of consciousness, right?
Kristen: Consciousness is attached to the soul. The soul is to the realm of the earth. But there is more past the consciousness because the consciousness is within the quantum realm. The vibration, the frequency, the sound. But there is—when you step through Jesus Christ himself, the rent veil, his flesh—when you step through that, you go into him, you go beyond the quantum realm.
Kristen: Heaven and hell are—in my experience—they are a place. I've encountered so many places in the lower realm of the earth that have a topography... they have a mass to them. When Jesus took me into the field of blood—the one where Judas expired himself—that shows me that there is a landmass that explains a spiritual place. So that's why with consciousness I am careful, because I think there's so much more to learn.
Viv: Thank you so much for explaining that. So you've coined a term called PTE, Past Death Experience. How is that different from a near-death experience and why is it essential for healing our personal history?
Kristen: Near-death experiences—people are fascinated by them. They have out-of-body experiences, the tunnel of light, the life review. So, I did a play on the words: a Past Death Experience. The reason why I say that is Jesus died for us. He died as us. What part of death are we not freed from? We're past it. Romans 8:2 says, "The law of the spirit of life has set me free from sin and death." Therefore, that is a higher law that eradicates out sin, death, and all their cohorts like sickness and decay.
Kristen: I use the metaphor of a carousel. These gorgeous horses are going round and round, but they're stuck in the cycle. Well, if the law of spirit of life sets you free, all of a sudden the horse can leave the cycle of the carousel. But then there's all these agreements—the ticket master saying, "I've already sold tickets for you." We allow our understanding, our ego, to keep us attached to the cycle of sin and death, and we don't allow the higher law to actually redeem us fully to eradicate sickness from ever having permission to live in our body.
Viv: So, are you saying that because Jesus died for everyone's sins, we've overcome having death and sickness as a limitation? And it's only a level of belief that lets you transcend it?
Kristen: Let's use the word transcend because I don't want to put the pressure on you and me. It's who He is. He cannot not be who He is. He's a good daddy that thought everything out before he sent the kids outside to play. And Jesus's gift is so full that we cannot not receive it. Now we can make a choice of ignoring it or not allowing it to fulfill our life. We do have that free will choice, but it doesn't lessen the fact that the law of the spirit is superior and eradicates death and decay. Peter was told, "on this rock we will build the church and the gates of hell will not prevail." Well, if the gates of hell are not going to prevail, then that means we need to come in and eradicate that the gates even exist.
Viv: So true. You know, what I love about this theory is that it's deeply resonant. It's heavy stuff and that's why your book is 400 pages.
Kristen: It's the encounters that I share. They're so deeply personal. My first love... one day after Jesus had already started me on my "tomb days"—meaning I was learning about the lower realms of the earth—my best friend from high school Facebooked me and she said, "I thought that you should know that Randy committed suicide." I immediately knew in my heart what God was asking me to do: to go get him. I knew that I knew that I knew that he was in hell.
Kristen: When I went to this place—and it was a different typography—when I went to go get Randy, he didn't recognize me at first, but when he did, the first thing that he said out of his mouth is, "I knew that you would come for me." Really? Yes. You can't think this stuff up. It's just so beautiful. So when we are not "near-death," we are past death because of what Jesus did for us. Now, we just need to learn how to live it so that our immortal bodies can begin to manifest.
Viv: What does that look like in practical terms?
Kristen: That's a great question. That's right where I'm asking it. The way that I deal with my own body, like if I have a pain, instead of releasing healing, I speak to it now and I tell the decay to move. Decay go, because I know death and decay do not have a portion in my life. This is just a portion of us retraining our understanding to actually have it manifest.
Kristen: When Jesus took me into the tomb and I was asking him, "well what went on there?" he took me and I literally saw his body sit up and stand up and I saw him fold his head napkin. First thing he did—and it was so odd—he bent over and he grabbed the soil, the dust inside the tomb. And he hits his shoulder with it, like somebody throwing salt over their shoulder for luck. I didn't ask why. I just bent over, grabbed some of the soil, and copied him.
Kristen: After that, he taught me that because he was raised from the dead, he eradicated... because Adam was made from the soil. When he did that, he was telling the dust of the earth, "you no longer have authority over me." I can't explain to you how that all is going to work yet. Well, that's okay. I'm willing to learn. I have seen my 165th birthday.
Viv: What? What did that look like?
Kristen: That's 2079. No—before I saw that, I saw my 121st birthday. On my 50th birthday, the Lord took me and I'm walking on the timeline and you can see the years. I remember passing the year Princess Di passed away. He had me trade out two different tubes—like amplification tubes. I went in and changed the color and the frequency of portions of me. I saw myself step on my 121st birthday. I saw all of my children, and they were in their 90s.
Kristen: I use those dates—2079 and 2124—in my daily applications. In my spirit, that is my way of changing my molecular makeup.
Viv: Wow, that makes so much sense. So from being able to see yourself at older ages, you kind of absorb the frequency from those times into your daily practice to sort of change your molecules to match who you're envisioning yourself to be.
Kristen: Yeah. If I have a vision board and I start engaging our dreams, engaging what Jesus says about us, it begins to change us. When we make those things tangible in our daily life, it keeps our faith stimulated and it changes us. It changes how the universe responds to us. I'm activating the resurrection that Jesus clearly says he gave me.
Viv: Nice. Oh, there's a question I have about chapter 3. There's a mirror translation quote that clearly became a turning point for you. The idea that Jesus isn't here to impress us, he's here to persuade us about us. What does that distinction mean for someone who has been striving their whole faith life to earn God's approval?
Kristen: He says "to persuade about us." I needed persuading. I needed Jesus to realize for me to believe my own freedom. He's going to show me what he did to free me.
Viv: You've been to the lower realms, you were in the tomb, you were in hell. Were those forms of persuasion for you?
Kristen: Of course they are. He takes me and I see the gates of hell and it literally looks like some dried ranch post. I went, "there ain't anybody here guarding it. This wouldn't even hold back livestock. How can it hold back people?" You know, God is an all-consuming fire. How is hell described? Fire. God gives us free will and we have the right to hold on to our anger and bitterness. That's what places us in a place that we would call hell. God gives us that freedom. Doesn't mean we're outside of his presence and it certainly doesn't mean that that is a forever choice.
Viv: And I love the story about Shadrach, Meshach, and Abednego. The king could see four people in the fire. That means Jesus was in there.
Kristen: They walked around in the fire, were not consumed, and didn't even smell like smoke. So, I'm having Past Death Experiences because I simply believe him.
Viv: I just keep saying wow because it's so deep. I'm thinking about the skeptics' perspective. You write to skeptics directly: "I'm not asking you to dismantle your theology. I'm asking you to expand your expectation." Who are you picturing when you wrote that?
Kristen: Any person who cannot sit down and have a conversation about the love of God. It's not about pushing my opinion on you. But I will ask them: "And how did Jesus show that to you?" If they open up their Bible and say, "Well, it's written down here," I'd go, "No. How did he show that to you?" Because the word Rhema means it's a shared conversation. I heard him say it to me.
Viv: And what's the first step towards Rhema? Is it being able to listen?
Kristen: Yeah, I think you answered your own question.
Viv: Would you say that that's the difference between Logos faith and Rhema faith? Logos seems one-sided and Rhema is an open conversation.
Kristen: Logos is a story that somebody else has written down. We have the privilege of going into people's stories and saying, "Jesus, would you make this my own?" Scripture in itself, ink printed on a page, cannot hug you. It cannot save you until the words become spoken—become breath. Because when they have breath, then they carry light. And when they carry light, then it can attach itself to you or expand itself within you.
Kristen: I may have developed my seeing gift more than others. But then there's people who are feelers and they can walk in a room and feel the presence of God. That's still a live conversation. Until we ingest it and it has light on it, the ink doesn't lift off the page and change our life. I knew of Jesus as a child. I believed him as a child, but I didn't begin to transform until I knew him and his ability to save me. That's when I changed.
Viv: Now for my final question. If a listener feels stuck or spiritually blind today, what is the one activation they can do right now to begin seeing how good God really is?
Kristen: Years ago... we sing songs about Ephesians 1:18, opening the eyes of my heart. We cry out for it. But do we really allow him to open it? Years ago, I saw the room and it had six very tall ladders. I had a dream that night and I saw James Goll—who wrote the book The Seer—close up his ladder and carry it out. But there were five ladders left. When I saw there were five ladders—the number of grace—I knew that every single person has the ability to perceive God.
Kristen: Jesus went up on the Mount of Transfiguration and he was transfigured, but where we miss the point is that he took Peter, James, and John with him into the spiritual realm. If Jesus did it, I can do it and I can take people with me as well. So for listeners, everybody can perceive the goodness of God. Ask Jesus to show you.
Kristen: Can I give one more metaphor? When a submarine goes below the surface, they use sonar. We call it "ping." When it pings, it means it caught the sonar bounced off of something. That's the same way in the spirit. You allow your spirit to ping the room. A person who might feel stuck or blind—ask, "Jesus, why do I feel stuck? Is that true?" And always trust what he shows you. Write it down. Put sticky notes around your house. When you honor somebody in a relationship, then what they have to give into your life remains through honor.
Viv: Thank you so much, Kristen. This has been a very interesting conversation. I'm excited for your book release. Where can listeners find your book when it's out?
Kristen: My book will be available at all of your online retailers. You can find it anywhere. If you happen to be in the United States, you can purchase one directly from me at kristenwambach.com.
Viv: Lovely. Thank you so much for joining me.
Kristen: Viv, I love hanging out with you because there's freedom here.
Viv: Oh, I appreciate that. "There's freedom here." I'm going to sit with that. Thank you so so much. You have a lovely day.
Kristen: It's my pleasure. You too. Take care. Bye.
Viv: Bye.

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SUMMARY: THE KEY TAKEAWAYS

Overcoming the Church's Greatest Hidden Ache
Many people sitting in church pews today struggle with a profound, emotional emptiness and an overwhelming sense of isolation. They face bad days, severe testing, and trials feeling entirely alone. This teaching flips that mindset on its head by revealing the sheer scale of the heavenly hosts and the cloud of witnesses. You are never, ever alone in the room—Heaven has provided a massive, active workforce designed to encompass, protect, and help you accomplish your destiny.
Spiritual Sight is a Muscle, Not a Superpower
Spiritual sight and hearing are not elite gifts reserved for a special category of "holy" people. Putting people who experience the supernatural into a detached box is a defensive mechanism born out of a fear of the unknown. In reality, your spiritual senses function exactly like a physical muscle. The more you pay attention to the gentle nudges of the Holy Spirit, choose to believe what He highlights, and actively exercise your focus, the more that sight will naturally develop.
The Architecture of the Angelic Workforce
Angels are functional, highly detailed servants sent to minister to the heirs of salvation. They operate across a vast construction scheme with distinct operational assignments:

• Herald Angels: Carriers of a specific heavenly sound, releasing good news across the earth to shift and transform hearts.
• House Angels: Stationed to guard your domestic life, handling everything from macro safety trends down to the minuscule logistics of protecting your roof from falling branches.
• Scribe Angels: Meticulous note-takers and recorders assigned to track, document, and bring to remembrance the things spoken in alignment with God’s heart.

Your Monday-Morning Activation
The ultimate barrier to experiencing this supernatural reality is the lingering lie of unworthiness—the belief that you haven't "earned" access to the supernatural. Jesus is the door, and He has already unlocked the gate.
Tomorrow morning, when you walk through any physical door in your home, pause at the threshold. Open the door, step your feet across, and declare: "Jesus, I believe you have unlocked my next step in relationship with you today. I reject the lie of unworthiness, I receive your forgiveness, and I step boldly into my spiritual breakthrough."

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The Strategy: Overcoming Institutional Blindness and the Lie of Unworthiness.
The Monday-Morning Outcome: Moving from a passive "pew potato" posture into active, seat-at-the-throne partnership with the heavenly workforce.
The Real-Time Encounter
​Many believers live in a state of spiritual isolation because religious traditions have taught them that they aren't "holy enough" to see or hear from Heaven. This activation breaks that structural barrier through a simple, physical act of agreement.

Identify the Lie:
Step 1. Recognize the thought pattern that says, "I'm just a piece of dirt, this is only for special people, or I haven't earned this access."
Renounce the Barrier:
Step 2. Speak this architectural reset out loud to clear the atmosphere: "Father God, I ask for your forgiveness for believing the lie that I am unworthy of your breakthrough or blind to your kingdom. I receive your forgiveness right now."

The Threshold Step:
Step 3. Physically walk to any door in your home or workspace. Grip the handle, open it, and as you physically step your feet over the threshold, declare: "Jesus, you are the Door. I step out of isolation and into full agreement with the heavenly workforce assigned to my life."

Exercise the Muscle:
Step 4. Pause on the other side for 60 seconds. Close your eyes and visualize your own front door. The same internal "eye" you use to remember your house is the exact muscle the Holy Spirit uses to show you the Kingdom. Treat it as a muscle and use it daily.
​The Posture Shift: You don't need a loud preacher voice to operate in authority.
You simply need to act like a smart contractor—acknowledge the angelic help in the room, hand them the blueprints of your day, and stop working solo.

When a lie comes into my head, I say, 'Father God, I ask for your forgiveness for believing that lie that I'm not worthy to receive you opening the door for my breakthrough... I ask for your forgiveness and I receive your forgiveness.'" — Kristen Wambach

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PRESS RELEASE
Acclaimed Author and Spiritual Investigative Journalist Kristen Wambach Featured on Dr. George Watkins Live Broadcast, Launching New Era of Practical Spirituality  CORVALLIS, OREGON — Noted spiritual authority, coach, and author Kristen Wambach recently joined her spiritual father, Dr. George Watkins, for a dynamic, live broadcast to discuss her latest book, How Good is God!, and to deliver a practical framework for navigating the unseen realm. The high-profile interview marks a pivotal addition to Wambach’s signature "Wisdom Pillars" media strategy, pulling back the curtain on the supernatural world to reveal it as an accessible, everyday reality for seekers worldwide.

During the broadcast, Wambach shared raw personal milestones—from her early prophetic training on the Oregon coast to a dramatic, life-saving healing testimony that required defying restrictive institutional rules. Rather than approaching the supernatural through complex theological doctrine or sensationalism, Wambach applies an investigative, outcome-focused approach designed to dismantle the fear of the unknown and the pervasive religious mindset of unworthiness.
"The modern church often leaves people feeling deeply isolated during severe trials," says Wambach. "But the reality is that we are encompassed by a massive cloud of witnesses and an active, angelic workforce. Spiritual sight and hearing are not elite superpowers reserved for a chosen few; they function exactly like a physical muscle that any believer can learn to exercise."
Dr. George Watkins, a seasoned ministry leader who authored the forward for How Good is God!, hosted the broadcast. Together, the duo illustrated how everyday believers can move from a passive, historical view of faith into active, throne-room relationship, categorizing practical angelic assignments—such as herald, house, and scribe angels—and how they actively assist in human destiny.
In alignment with the broadcast, Wambach has announced the immediate release of her new companion book, Where Am I When I Was. Written to help readers explore the foundational spaces between their major faith milestones, the digital book features real-time activations, keys to discovering personal purpose, and practical steps to move past mental and spiritual blockages.
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About Kristen Wambach:
Kristen Wambach is an acclaimed author, ordained pastor, and spiritual coach based in the Pacific Northwest. As the creator of the "Diamond Pass" framework and host of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, she empowers entrepreneurs and seekers to connect with their God-inspired DNA calling. Through her work, she simplifies supernatural experiences into essential lifestyle tools for personal development and global restoration.
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