BEYOND THE PHYSICAL: A PRACTICAL PATH TO SPIRITUAL SIGHT
"Welcome to a conversation that bridges the gap between the seen and the unseen. Today, Kristen Wambach joins Wanako Overhuber to discuss the 'Curriculum of Joy' and what it really feels like when your spiritual eyes are opened for the first time."
What does it actually look like to see the world through the eyes of the Spirit?
For many, the supernatural feels like a distant "someday" or a confusing "maybe." But as I shared on the Holy Spirit’s Curriculum of Joy podcast (re-branded as At Home is Now Podcast) with Wanako Overhuber, spiritual sight isn't a gift for the elite—it is a restoration of your original design. It begins with a simple, raw choice to offer every part of yourself, including the parts that feel broken or weary, to the One who is the source of all Light.
In this episode, we peel back the layers of religious expectation to reveal a practical path with raw stories, prayer, and simple activations. We move from "hearing about God" to having a tangible, high-frequency relationship with Him. This isn't about arguing doctrine; it’s about a "safe path" for your heart to follow the Holy Spirit into the realms of joy.
For many, the supernatural feels like a distant "someday" or a confusing "maybe." But as I shared on the Holy Spirit’s Curriculum of Joy podcast (re-branded as At Home is Now Podcast) with Wanako Overhuber, spiritual sight isn't a gift for the elite—it is a restoration of your original design. It begins with a simple, raw choice to offer every part of yourself, including the parts that feel broken or weary, to the One who is the source of all Light.
In this episode, we peel back the layers of religious expectation to reveal a practical path with raw stories, prayer, and simple activations. We move from "hearing about God" to having a tangible, high-frequency relationship with Him. This isn't about arguing doctrine; it’s about a "safe path" for your heart to follow the Holy Spirit into the realms of joy.
THE TRANSFORMATION: FROM SEPARATION TO ONENESS
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When you choose to engage your spiritual senses, the weight of the world begins to lift. You move from a state of "feeling empty" to being filled by the Comforter. Within the first week of practicing these simple activations, you can expect a shift in your internal atmosphere—from anxiety to a "pinging" resonance of peace. By month one, you will begin to recognize the "molecular light" of God’s presence in your everyday surroundings, from the grocery store to your own living room.
This is the invitation: to remember who you were before the world told you who to be. |
You can't ask for information from a person who has no experience."—Kristen Wambach
Episode Summary
In a soul-stirring conversation with Wanako Overhuber, Kristen Wambach shares her journey from a conservative evangelical background to becoming a global authority on spiritual encounters. Kristen describes the "peripheral vision" of the spirit, the tangible "thickness" of God’s presence, and the importance of moving beyond generic "divine" language into a named, high-vibration relationship with the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.
EPISODE TAKEAWAYS
- The Power of Permission: Holy Spirit is a gentleman; He requires your "Yes" to act as your Comforter and Teacher.
- Atmospheric Awareness: You can choose to tune into the "Good" frequency (Heaven) or the "Bad" (Strongholds), but God is always calling you "Up Higher."
- The Anatomy of a Miracle: Miracles like the "Page 93" encounter happen when our spirit runs ahead on the timeline and we agree with what we see.
When we write it down, it becomes a record on the earth. If you don't write it down, it doesn't become a record."—Kristen Wambach
COACHING CHURCH ACTIVATION FOR THE READER: THE RADAR PING
To begin activating your spiritual "peripheral vision," follow these three simple steps this week:
- Acknowledge the Empty: Before your feet hit the floor in the morning, identify one area where you feel "empty" or "fragile." Do not stuff it.
- Give Permission: Explicitly say, "Holy Spirit, I give you permission to be my Comforter in this specific need today. Show me your perspective."
- Record the Ping: Keep a "Record of Remembrance" (a simple journal or digital note). When you feel a shift in atmosphere, hear a comforting thought, or see a "coincidence" that feels like a wink from Heaven, write it down.
THE DIAMOND PASS-TITLE: FREQUENCY OVER FORMULA
- THE TAPE: We often get stuck in "churchy" language that lacks vibration. Real authority comes from the resonance of your own encounters. When you move in the frequency of Joy, the strongholds of fear have no place to land.
- THE ANCHOR: You are not a seeker trying to find God; you are a son or daughter learning to remember that He never left the room.
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AT HOME NOW PODCAST: THE HOLY SPIRIT'S CURRICULUM OF JOY (re-branded At Home is Now Podcast)
Host: Wanako Overhuber
Guest: Kristen Wambach
0:00WanakoWelcome to the Holy Spirit's Curriculum of Joy podcast. My name is Wanuko Overhuber and I am your host. My guest today is Kristen Wombach. Welcome to the podcast.
0:07KristenThank you so much. It's good to see you again, Monaco.
0:16WanakoFor all of you who don't know, I've had the pleasure of being on Kristen's podcast as well called Interviewing Jesus. And it led to some irritation of some of the people who know who saw my um showing it off on Facebook that I was on some on a podcast because they were reacting to the Christian idea, the idea that it's Christian or something like that and they had some strange reactions. But anyways, I I care I do not care. I'm so happy I was on your podcast and we talked about so beautiful topics and we did how how marvelousless it is to be able to support children in living their their talents and their observations and their abilities that may go beyond the physical body.
1:17KristenAnyway, and it was as I shared with you Wanako, it was very well received. So meaning it is a subject matter um that needs more attention actually.
1:31WanakoYeah, absolutely. And I I'm in early childhood education so perfect subject for me. Anyways, so Kristen, I would like to start our conversation with how did you come to see the world the way you do today?
1:50KristenWell, I'll have to go back till I was in my 30s. I'm 65 today. And um Holy Spirit was seeking me and I was ignoring Holy Spirit. And but I didn't like my I didn't like that. I felt broken being a wife, mother of a young family. And so when Holy Spirit introduced himself to me, life changed. And from that point, I learned talks, communicated, learn to hear from God through journaling. It all just kept going, progressing along in on the journey. Um, I was I I went to church. I led all the church meetings and did women's ministry and led worship and yada yada yada yada. And then one day God opened my spiritual eyes and everything changed. So I can see in the spirit. Um it is something that I can turn on and turn off, lean into, not lean into. I can choose to look at good things or bad things. And it was a matter of growth where I don't look at the bad things unless it's to take them to the courts of heaven to deal with them.
3:25WanakoThat's how I very very fascinating. I'm wondering you know how did Holy Spirit present himself to you? And the other thing, what was the experience of your spiritual eyeopening like?
3:41KristenOkay, so I'm going to jump in here because I know you have a spiritually mature audience. Holy Spirit presents herself as female. I say him because it's just simpler just to say him. But holy spi spirit presents herselves as the the female the female spirit of god you could say Jehovah shama the many breasted one that is how I deal with her that's how I see her that's just between me and holy spirit that's the way it is so and then your second question was what was the experience that opened my eyes correct?
4:29WanakoUm, yeah, that's part of it, but I wanted to know what it was like when your when your spiritual eye was opened.
4:42KristenSo, yes, the experience plus what it was like. Okay. So, when I hear the word like, what does it feel like? Put all of the the intuitive part into it. It was it was over a period of time. So, it wasn't that here we go, here's the glasses and then there are no glasses. It wasn't so much that my first intuitive feelings was it came more from a peripheral point of view. I started to see the way I describe it. I could see the molecular or the light. I could see the light. How would you say um particles move? So if how would I put that in? It's as if Wanico, you walked into my office, I would see you. So I could always tell when the light particles moved. I didn't have full vision at that time. Another way I describe it is kind of like the the the radar for a submarine when they send out a pinging to actually to get a description on the ocean floor and what's there. So that's how I learned. So, my spirit was pinging out and I began to see as if it were a a graph of telling me what is if it's a room, if it's a being, if it's an angel, if it's part of the cloud of witnesses. So, it was really it started peripheral and then it started moving to the front to where I figured out I had a choice to to tune in or tune a turn aside. I had to learn that that I could turn it on and off. Now, the feelings around that, I've always been very open with the Lord and he has with me. So I never was fearful or frightened. Um there was a point of time where I shared the information with people and uh people would roll their eyes. So the misunderstanding of it or the fear of it, it caused me to go into a season of being very alone because people didn't understand. People didn't understand but people didn't have the experience. So I had to change my opinions because you can't ask information from a person who has no experience. You you just can't. So I had a period of um just Holy Spirit in me and develop with me and began to have relationships with um angels and beings and learning about that. And Jesus would just hold my hand and we'd walk into different realms. Some of the realms would be contained within the creation or the earth or the universe and then other realms are in what I would classify as the kingdom of heaven. And I say I say that with a question mark because there's there's the the kingdom of the earth is in there. Thankfully, God has listed it out in western culture, but it it seems hierarchal, but it's really not. It's just easier for my understanding to grasp. But there are lower realms of the earth. There's the kingdom of heaven that we would know the earth and all the quantum realities that are there. And then there's the kingdom of heaven which when you step through the Lord himself which he's provided himself as a door and you know the father by name.
9:14WanakoYeah. I think that's a very important passage there. the one where where Jesus um describes himself as the door and shows us says you can walk through right if you allow me to be that door right I don't know the exact words but I remember that that passage is something that people tend to have difficulties with because it can be interpreted as other cultures are not allowed through right or it could be interpreted if you don't accept me as God, you can't come through or things like that. And the and I've always come to an I've come to an understanding where I say, okay, it's about the state of mind in which you get to be at at in the same place as as Jesus or as anyone anyone who would walk through that doorway, right? You become capable of moving through that doorway. I think that's it's it's not really personalized, but it is a personal thing. I don't know how to put it. It's it's hard to to grasp. But anyways, I think that's very an important aspect of it because I I've I've met you and I have the impress in our conversations. I have the impression you're very open-minded and I've had I've had Christian people who who respond very closedminded, right, as well. I've met them as well. So I think that's it's a very important if you could speak in depth about that.
10:51KristenI think this is a really important topic as well and I in my podcasting and having guests on and some guests they'll what they call pitch you you know to come and be on your show. Um, I always ask Holy Spirit, you know, and I can usually feel right off, but some people I lean into a little bit more. And finally, you know, because I don't consider myself a a Jesus prude by any means, and I can learn from other people. But when I was encountering and having conversations with people, they kept talking about the divine, the divine, the divine. And I went, "Okay." And I got alone with God and I said, "Um, why is it when people talk about the divine, can you please ex expand that? I I need to have a language, a conversation um with you about that. And you know, God the Father just simply said, "They don't know me by name. They're they're divine." And I said, "Okay." And then he he laid out kind of like I was describing there is creation or the universe which all the realms of consciousness are in. But in my experience, spirit is higher than consciousness because consciousness is where you get the understanding of the communication with spirit and therefore you can tell a story, you can share an encounter. That's where the consciousness comes in. So consciousness is there's a oneness to our consciousness as brothers and sisters in Christ but there is spirit which is outside and encompasses consciousness because when if death occurs then consciousness which I would call your soul because your consciousness and your soul actually are attached to your spirit. And here's your body. Your consciousness or your soul is can go. It remains in both realms. It would leave the body should the body die and it is also present in the heavenly realms like when I engage the cloud of witnesses. their soul, their personality, their personhood that I would come into contact with is there with their spirit. That's how you recognize them. Sometimes when I see relatives in the cloud of witnesses or other people's relatives, they will come to me in in the figure of where my memories are with them. And sometimes I'll see them at the proverbial age where it seems like everybody is somewhere in like late 20s, early 30s. That seems to be the overarching of if you could put an age on somebody in my sight and my understanding or my consciousness of them. But but yeah, asking God regarding the divine. I recently had a a lunch with um a very brilliant unlady and she kept talking about the divine and divine and I'm listening and listening because I want to learn um I want to learn I want to learn the different ways that people enter into consciousness and how they they move through the different realms and how they describe the different realms. But one thing that I was noticing which was so interesting is I didn't feel a vibing frequency with her. I understood many of the things that she discussed. We might have a different language but there wasn't a frequency. And I was just sitting there going we have so much in common. Why isn't there that vibration to where you get excited when you're with them or tell me about this or tell me about that? And it wasn't with there. So, at the end of our lovely lunch, I got in the car and immediately I just turned on my my my my worship channel and I just started singing and singing. And I was driving to my next destination and I was singing and worshiping and worshiping and worshiping. And then I I finally asked God, I go, "What was that about?" And he says, "That was the missing that's the missing part. He He's God. There's a place of worship that lives in me that brings me to my knees, that causes me to be prostrate, that causes I have stories and stories about tangibly feeling not only his power, his his light power, his electric power, but the power of his love. And that's that's not something I just call divine. That's something that Oh my god, praise you. You're God. I need him to be God.
16:39WanakoI love it. It's a great uh great way of of putting it because we do have the choice, right? And it is very personal and so every um everyone has the right to experience it personally, right? And if you don't— Yeah. And it's an experience. In a course in miracles for instance it says it's an ex the experience is universal but not the language around it. Right. So yeah, so we we we do need to focus on the experience and and like you said, she was saying divine divine, but you didn't feel that spark of or this this this depth of like you you said worship or this personal experience of a presence that loves you, right? Of of someone that loves you and loves you unconditionally. I hope that was and so on. So this is very very very crucial to our experience and I think that's very well put and I and it's our choice right if if Jesus is the the person to guide me and and that's how it works for me then that is wonderful and that's what I what I should go with but it doesn't mean that I have to say no to someone who who can describe it very differently and but is actually speaking of the same experience. So I think that's very well put how how open-mindedness works for you.
18:15KristenWhat and in so in the worship to to basically remind myself of the the frequency and the sound the the the the light and the uplifting. One of the things that I am so aware of, he's holy. He's holy. And that's what creates the awe of is God. And it's not a squishing awe. I am not squished by any means. I am in awe of who he is. And yes, I have been in situations and circumstances where you could you could talk about the thickness of his presence or some people might call it the shakina glory, but you walk in and and you can feel it and there's there's a pressure. There's a pressure as if you were, I suppose, in one of those non-gravitational space things. You can feel the pressure of the atmosphere of God himself. And it's phenomenal. And it's just it it's phenomenal. And you're just like, I'm so glad you're God. I'm so glad you're God.
19:42WanakoThat that is so beautiful that you can have that experience, right? And I think when I remember I was I once spoke about having heard the Jesus. He spoke to me and said one sentence and then it broke off. But anyways, the presence was amazing, right? And and that that's something you never forget. So the these things are you know okay you tell a Christian person that you heard Jesus speak and it has and other people describe it as channeling beings and whatever but this was Jesus I I got through but whatever for me it had to to understand the process and so on the the idea of channeling was very helpful and so it but they they would like oh that's not possible that doesn't work right on right. So it was like okay I had this direct experience it was my experience very personal very very very strong and very meaningful to me but it didn't mean the same thing to the person I was speaking to they they they couldn't even relate to it right and I was like okay what is their personal experience with Jesus if it's if what I'm telling them doesn't make sense... pass that on to you.
21:17KristenI was waiting for you to give me another one of your brilliant questions.
21:28WanakoLet's Let's go ahead. Let's talk about so you already shared your person your relationship with God right and the parent of the father as as you described I think that's a very very important this presence this thickness of presence I think that's a beautiful description of how how um how your whole yeah your whole being experiences it not something and it's so powerful that you actually can describe it with in physical terms as as very very real and I think that's what I think one of the most important things is the reality of it so real it's more real than anything else right and therefore so much more uh enriching right so I think that's a very very important point so would you maybe you'd like to describe one of these encount these these encounters with God and how it helped you in your everyday life. And perhaps we want to touch the topic we had last time when I was on your podcast about how it helped you with children.
22:47KristenYes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So, as you were asking me the question, I'd already had a it it a story that came forward. See that's see right there is the vibing. It's the oneness in the spirit as I'm getting the thought Holy Spirit's giving me a thought. Oh, you should tell this story. You're asking the question right there all and it's simultaneously and it it's it's beautiful. How does he how do we do that? How do we do that? I mean, you're all the way over on the other side of the pond. Eight hours difference and I'm here and Holy Spirit is orchestrating and it's so beautiful. It's so beautiful. Now, my story. So, years ago, I was raised in a conservative evangelical home and Holy Spirit was just text in a Bible. there wasn't um a personal relationship with Holy Spirit. And so as I was learning to do this, cuz raising my hands was foreign. They didn't do that where I went to church. You didn't dance. You might get a hallelujah or an amen maybe, but it was very conservative. So there was no generational language for the freedom just to release your body and worship to God. That wasn't there. So I had to baby steps because you feel like everybody's looking at you, you know, and baby steps growing my worship, freeing my worship. And I'd given in the point of my journey, I'd given my arms and my voice and and my hands to the Lord, but I'd never danced. I my fa I'd never danced before. And I grew up from the age three taking dancing lessons. I was always a dancer in my and still am today. But I never offered him my feet. I went to a worship conference in Irvine, Texas, and full of like 3,000 worship leaders. I mean, it's like, oh, it was wonderful and and gorgeous and and we were there for the the first night and it was lovely. But by the second night, I was getting more courageous and my to reach out and give God what he had so given me in his love for me. And so I they they were playing music and worship and I scooted out of the the line of chairs and I went to the back of the auditorium, you know, in my little hidden spot, hopefully nobody would see me. And I began to move and I began to dance and I just was free. I was free and I moved in the music and I couldn't didn't care anymore what somebody thought or their opinion and I was just unaware of anybody else in the room besides me and and the Lord. It was like oh it was the most beautiful thing and I must dance for 20 or 30 m 30 minutes. And so then in the natural course of of a of an event or a seminar, then you know the music dies down. They're going to have speakers come in. And so I come back to my seat and I sit down in my seat and I'm with my girlfriend and a new person that I'd met at the conference and all of a sudden I started to vibrate. And all of a sudden I started to vibrate more. And they're looking at me and they're putting their hands on me and they're going, "All right, Kristen. Okay, okay, what's what's going on here?" And I started to vibrate so violently that I could not remain in my seat and I slid out of the seat and my friends are trying to pick me up and put me in my seat so I look normal. And I just vibrated and I quaint. I couldn't tell you how long. And I had no clue. All of us evangelical people had no clue. Um they didn't call the emergency people. That's really good. But when I finally had composure and I sat in my seat, I still had no clue. I I had no clue what was what had transpired, what was going. I knew that it was God. And later on as I got alone and and spoke to me, he said, "Well, you gave me my your feet and it was a beautiful gift." And so it was like I plugged into the wall outlet to the power of God. And that was his way of saying I received your offering. And I mean to this day, that's why I said there's a power and a holiness of God. It didn't frighten me. I had to explain it all, but it's happened many times since. But I knew it was he was taking my offering of freeing up my feet to worship and and love him. And that's how he said thank you. And he made me so aware of his that he's God. That he's God.
29:04WanakoThat is so beautiful. And I think that's something that we should go a little into into because there is this fear of God. There is this fear that you couldn't feel comfortable could be or could be criticized or whatever else. I think you you've found a way to accept what God has to offer when you are willing to offer your voice, your body or whatever is needed. You have found a way to allow that to happen. And I think that's something that many of us struggle with. I I believe I also have my issues with that. And so it's it's a very very very important topic and I think it's dear to to anyone who's interested in allowing the the beauty of a personal connection to our source or and or to God to yeah manifest in our lives or better said just to show itself in our lives because that's where we're from. That's who we who created us. So that's what expresses itself and if we allow that consciously it's even better and even if it's unconscious it's still wonderful. So the question is how do we let go of all that fear that gets interferes with that because I remember when I heard Jesus speak I I think I fear came up and I and I wasn't able to allow him to continue right so the at least I think but when I asked him to speak again he didn't right so obviously there were there is some fear or something that intervened right with with it being able to go deeper So, I I'd love to hear your take on that. How can one go deeper and enjoy the whole thing and not get stuck in these ideas? Like you said, you let go of your fear of what people would think of you, right? And I think that's that's a very very important part of it.
31:15KristenAgreed. He my spirit I wanted to give back and that didn't just happen overnight. So because Holy Spirit was wooing me and and and teaching me and calling me there was before that kind of manifestation happened. I remember sitting at my piano, a a a broken person, not even knowing how knowing how to call out to God because I assumed that God was going to come in and with point the finger and said, "You messed up here. You messed up here. Messed up here. Shame, shame, shame." No. Never. Never. Never. God never works in shame or guilt. I have done so many inner healing modalities and 100% of the time God never talks about the thing that you think that God wants to pinpoint. Never. He always shows up with love and encouragement. And because of that love and encouragement, you go, "Wow, you really are my savior." There's this. He doesn't expect us to believe he is our savior until he's proven himself even though he's already done that on the cross and and his ministry. He doesn't take it for granted. But I had this we developed this conversation and this language because Holy Spirit started to lift off through music. I began to sang sing again. I began to write music and play the piano and Holy Spirit just lifted off the weights and the misunderstandings and the the things that I didn't know about. I I didn't know about the manifestation of the Lord. I didn't know that he could be tangible. That wasn't anywhere in my generational language. It wasn't handed to me. Uh I when I read the Bible, it wasn't highlighted. It wasn't there. It was something that I was shown by his goodness and the grace that he put on my life. So here all this bad choices that I made as a young person and now I don't feel guilty. I I don't feel shame. No wonder I can give him my hands and my feet. And that that's that's the process is that you're you're so in love with him because no longer are you weighted down with shame and guilt, even fear of the unknown, but you want to give with the same generosity that has been given to you.
34:29WanakoOh, that that is so touching to to hear this this description of devotion and how one can recognize one's own's nature by recognizing God's nature because I think there's there's a lot of, you know, the Bible does have a lot of passages where fear God or or where consequences come around and and it's described as coming from God and so on. Then you describe God as this unconditionally loving being. Then then you can question all those passages as love. What what does that really mean? Because is that was that God or is that the way God is supposed to be described or or was there something completely different going on and it's a misinterpretation, right? It's it's there's so many questions that come up when one realizes that God is love, right? And we are love as well because the child of God needs to be of the same nature as God.
35:33KristenYeah. It was I learned it like this. Jesus is God in the flesh. We know that Jesus is God in the flesh. So there's his spirit, God's spirit in Jesus. And Jesus walked sinless. So his offering of himself on our behalf to be crucified on the cross, what those things that we know in that relationship, God had to give up his right to be angry at his kids. God had to give up his right to show wrath. And therefore, you see Jesus, I mean, God had to give up his right to be angry just as much as we have to give up our right to be angry at people, to be bitter at people, to hold that in us. God never expected us just to do it blindly. He was the first one that had to give up his right to be angry, to show wrath. So when you see Jesus's ministry there and you look at the Old Testament, God literally gave up all that so that Jesus could be the door for peace and love and hope and joy. But it cost God something, too.
37:20WanakoYeah, that that's an interesting take on it. Certainly I I I I think there there there are other takes on it like the the way that it's described in the course of miracles and so on. And I I think the the idea that that this idea of God that was there before right changed right drastically in our minds into the idea of God is love right and we are love whether that means God had changed I don't know right had to give up something or Jesus had to intervene for humanity I don't know right but the the idea. The idea that we have always been loved and that we are are learning to recognize that because we are the because we are the ch child of God, being the child of God, we need to be of the same nature. And so if if if God is love, then we are also love in truth, right? And so in a course in miracles, it speaks of an idea of separation that led to the making of a world that is a dream that isn't real and isn't it and doesn't um show up as love, right? It doesn't it shows up as separation as all this and through the reinterpretation which um through the Holy Spirit through the through God through Jesus you can actually be yeah respond or actually see the world in a way that actually provides you with the view of love right lets you see love everywhere and lets you remember who you are so the world actually becomes your teacher rather than your your enemy that you or this idea of se the representative of an idea of separation it becomes the representative of the idea the truth of love right and dissolves into that love right or or actually shows up as love let's put it that way and I think that's that's one of the things you were describing when you were show sharing how tangible God is right
39:46Kristenso so tangible and that I I like your description on the the separation because I can easily relate to that because geez when I got married I wasn't asking God's opinion yeah not at all I didn't ask God's opin opinion. And so, you know, young, married, all of a sudden you're having kids and all of a sudden you realize that your deposit, your own personal deposit inside of you is feeling empty. And here I have children that I'm supposed to love and guide and and and train up and and discipline. And all of a sudden I go, "Wow, I just kind of feel empty here." So I felt that separation. But the interesting thing is Holy Spirit was always right there. Holy Spirit didn't stay outside the house or outside the room or out just always right there encouraging me. Let's have a conversation. Let's talk about this. Let me hold you for a while. if you can't talk about it. Never was he outside of my first question or request of I need help. I can't do this by myself. Or I'm sorry. And it's no different than me throwing up my arms and releasing my feet to say, "Oh, I just release my the weight of life, the weight of choices, just the weight and the noise."
41:49WanakoYeah, I think that's very remarkable because it's also about the the the issue of accepting who you are, right? Because all this weight is not who we are, right? So the the the the resurrection or the the the recognition that one is holy, one is pure actually frees you. And I and and I think that's so amazing when when you can do that, when you choose to do that, then you actually discover so much freedom and you discover more about who you are. You start remembering who you are and that is a a deep deep experience. So I think that's that's really beautiful. I think that's why the the idea of the washing away of sins is so important or the idea that there are no there is no sin that you need to hold on to because it doesn't make any sense at all. Right? The and of course in miracles it basically says we are sinless, we are holy and so on and that to recognize that means means so much, right? But when when I started writing about a course of miracles, I was like, okay, they were always saying um there was all these things and then I started saying, okay, dear holy one, then then there were all these people who are reacting to that. Why is he writing that? That's not possible. You can't write that. Even though that that was exactly the language of course miracles, right? We need to get used to seeing ourselves differently the way the the Lord sees us or the way God sees us. And so when you have this experience of how God sees you, you you actually are able to to let change your mind about yourself in so many ways. And every time that happens is a is a blessing, right? As you you described that so well. So yeah, I I personally love it every time I allow myself to to let go of my personal ideas of how judged I should be.
44:17KristenWaco, I think there's in what you said, there's a key word and that was remembering. And when we remember ourselves, when Holy Spirit takes us and we find ourselves seated at the table of creation in him because that frequency and that sound that let there be light that I mean we were there the same place with wisdom before God said let there be light. So when we allow him to help us to remember remember ourselves, remember that conversation talking him talking with us about who we are and the uniqueness that each one of us are and and the different ways the the gifts that he has shared with us and why he's shared the this with us. Then all of a sudden in our remembering, we can pick up the timeline. We can pick up the ages. We can sit in on the living word and go in and experience the life of Christ because we allow him to help us remember. In in Malachi, I think it's Malachi 3, it talks about God writes a book of remembrance. Well, in all in many of our experiences, I know your listeners, too, we've experienced these beautiful libraries in heaven with with books and scrolls and and writings. God loves to write things down. Whenever there's a a a record or a law or a governance, God is writing it down. That's why he has scribes. So when we write down when we feel when we remember when we go oh what was that I got I don't know what came in the room but something came in the room and Holy Spirit always goes uhhuh feel it what does it what does it feel like and it's just a teaching but every time I choose to write it down shows that I honor the words honor their journey me. I I'm honoring it and it just becomes a delicious way to remember who I am in all the places that I sit with him in our oneness.
47:17Wanako(Brief connection glitch) from my perspective, you are frozen. There you are. So, yeah, there's this beautiful, you were speaking of how beautiful the experience is and how deep it goes when you remember who you are. You get reminded of who you are through this encounter with God. Would you like to expand some more?
47:53KristenSo I was talking about so the the the the memory the experience because remember God is omni potent omnipresent. He's he's outside of time. So our spirit has the same opportunity to move out into a timeless place. It's it's a journey. First thing, it was really important for me to learn how to ascend in Christ, for him to hold my hand everywhere I go so that I knew that I was being led by the Holy Spirit. I knew that he was leading me into all truth because that's what he says. And then once I learned to ascend, go up and down, so to speak, then I was allowed to experience the timeline and and and move. And that's part of our our remembering. And when he takes us on the timeline and we remember or or or watch or experience something happening generationally or something happen that's written in scripture. Then we remember that we're actually seated in him and have his eyes, his ears, his feeling and we can be it. It is there aren't any words to describe it. And when we have those what we might call is a deja vu mo moment that just means that our spirit has moved ahead is reading like the pinging of the submarine underground. That means our spirit is running and listening ahead so that it pings back here to keep us on the right path moving forward to that which God's goodness is leading us into because he gives us the desires of our heart. So it's really encouraging to to see your spirit run ahead and sit in that desire. So when you sit in that desire, that motivates me to put my feet in this spot and this spot and make choices that coincide with that desire.
50:20WanakoThat's that's very beautiful to recognize that one can be guided in that way by seeing things by feeling things by recognizing that the as the course of miracles says the will of God and our will are the same right anything else would be would be false. So the will of God is that we are perfectly happy. And he also and it also says that one can agree that one wants to be per one wants to be perfectly happy that everyone can agree on that.
51:00Kristenperfectly happy. You know, actually, I can honestly say that that I will have a conversation with myself regarding that because sometimes we don't answer to ourselves, what is it about the perfectly happy that I'm looking for when it's it's provided for me? What? And and and in answering that question about being perfectly happy, we write down, well, what does that look like? What does that feel like? What does that entail? And then I have choices around it. So, in this the last year and a half, I've been taking better care of myself, the self-care and the the working out and eating better, and I I feel better. So, but there's there's an action that I step into because it's a desire of knowing that it would bring happiness to me to be able to keep up with my granddaughter and go hang out with my kids and have the energy, well-being, and stamina to be present with my family. So happiness I I ask that myself that all the time. Well, what does it feel like and when I write down what it feels like? Then I ask myself, well, are you in agreement with what it feels like? Do I need to make any adjustments because I'm out of agreement with what I think happiness means to me? So for me it was very important to identify and sometimes it's on a daily basis that I identify well why don't I feel happy today is it a feeling or is it something that I need to come into agreement with to allow Holy Spirit to adjust my perception.
53:11Wanakoand that that's very well put in a course in miracles It says you need to listen to Holy Spirit so that Holy Spirit can reinterpret everything that you're you're obviously misinterpreting. Otherwise, you would be perfect and happy. I think that's a very good point. Yeah. Another thing you you see my the podcast is called the Holy Spirit's curriculum of joy. So what is that curriculum of joy? It also when you think of the Bible, it also it it speaks of the the message of joy, right? It's a message of joy according to what I understand every every one of the apostles gave a a joyful message, right? In evangel and so yeah, it's a very very important thing. Joy is central to the message of Jesus Christ.
54:25KristenThe Holy Spir um joy is one of Holy Spirit's attributes. Perfect. So that that's that's what it's all about. Yeah. Yeah.
54:47WanakoSo is there I I also wanted to go into another topic but we're coming to an end. I was thinking of the topic you were saying you can shut you can decide whether you want to see with your your spiritual eye or not. And I I've also learned that that's a choice that we can make when we want to see and what we want to look at right with the spiritual eye. And that that makes a lot of sense because then you are empowered to choose.
55:24KristenI I agree. Um when I describe myself as a mystic, people a lot of times when they get the concept is that your spirit has eyes, feelers. Some people are feelers, some people are seers. But it's up to us to develop all all sides of it, to develop it all and to hang around people that that that hear the Lord differently than we do so that we can grow and we can um learn. I lost my thought for just a moment.
56:06WanakoYeah. So yeah, I think that the the that is a beautiful point that we can We learn together and of course in miracles it says we're walking each other home and we are each other's saviors which I think is also a beautiful thing is if you can see that in one another how it's saving you that is amazing.
56:30KristenYeah it's powerful. I remembered my thought is that the choice of turning in to whether you're turning into good or the bad. And um I could see if I went down the streets, I could see, you know, I could see strongholds. I could see different things where the negative, the ugly stuff could be. But I don't choose to because God always says, "Come up here. Come up higher. Come up higher." Um, let me use a roadway. So, there's a busy road that's right here by my house. And there's been accidents here at the turnoff of my home. Actually 2 months after we had moved in here, there was a gentleman who was thrown from his truck and ended up in my arborit. And I it was so cold out and I ran outside and I was attempting to raise him from the dead. That's and um but after he did not raise but there were many many people that I spoke to um that thanks me for praying for him and being there at that particular time. And it's interesting all the different times that I've had the opportunity, especially in an an emergency situation, you know, where I go to lay hands on somebody. I have never had one fireman paramedic ever tell me to move out of the way ever. I always attributed it to them feeling the presence of God there doing something. It It's amazing. But back to the good and the evil. So a lot of times I knew in this intersection there had been so much fear because there had been accidents. Now there was somebody who who died. So it creates fear. And if you could just think about it naturally, yeah, that there's a problem with that intersection there. So what did I do? I took it to the courts of heaven. Removed the fear, removed the confession of, oh, if I leave, this could happen or this can happen and ask for forgiveness. And then I set up angels to govern it. Angels on that highway. So angels go and if somebody's on their cell phone, get after them to hang up their cell phone, get after them to look up and see. You know, that's that's who we are to help and answer a very practical situation here. People sometimes assume that I can walk in their home in the spirit. Well, technically you could, but that would be rude. That that would be rude. Just like when if you came to my door, you'd knock on the door and you'd come in and then, you know, I'd show you around the house. Now, if we if you live next door to me, we'd have a relationship. You'd probably knock on the door, just come and say, "Kristen, are you in your office?" because we have a relationship to where you could just come into the house. It's the same thing with the spirit. When when we have a relationship with somebody, even heaven, there's a relationship to know that I can go in and out with them. I it it's our natural selves and matters and etiquets are so much the same in the spirit. I never if somebody asks me to pray for them or pray for a relative I always say then I have your permission. So when I have their permission to be a witness or like a an attorney to take the situation to the courts of heaven, their spirit is right there listening as a witness. I would never never go unless the Lord said I had an assignment. And so the the the good and the evil I I don't see the evil in somebody. I don't see and I should say that differently. It's not in somebody. It's it's it's a stronghold. But when somebody comes for an inner healing session, then they're coming and they're asking for help. And that's different because I hook them up with Jesus and alls I am is a facilitator and I they'll talk with Jesus. I am at 100% everybody can talk and hear from Jesus. Period. And when you hear Jesus doing those things, then Jesus is the one who shows them areas and they'll answer it themselves. I don't have to point out, well, there's a stronghold here and a stronghold there and a stronghold here. If the Lord gives a prophetic word, you meet somebody, you have a prophetic word. Meaning that he gives you inside information about the person. Well, I don't turn around and say, "I see this. I see this. I see this." Because what does that do? It just multiplies the same. I have to come over here and see the goodness of God and say, "Wow, you are so gifted as an artist. I just feel like God wants you to sing and pick up that instrument again and start playing, you know, because that encouragement of who they are draws them and breaks down the areas of strongholds." So I'm always looking at the good because the good love is the highest frequency there is.
1:03:08Wanakovery well put and I think that that's also principle you you probably know this in early childhood education you should look at what is working what is good what is what their talents are and and pick up from there. It's not about looking at deficits or things that are not working because that is counterproductive. And so it it is a training of the mind to do that. We need to retrain our mind to look for the the good for the for the the talents for the capabilities for the things that are working for the things and so on and so on. Yeah, you need to retrain your mind or you're the way you thought you had to look at the world. And yes, that's why the in the course of miracles, it always says you can listen to holy spirit or to the to the ego. The ego we made up the ego. The ego is this idea of separation, right? So the holy spirit is our same mind or the right mind and so on. So it actually when you listen to Holy Spirit and you described it so well when you spoke of how how God speak is is always encouraging you and strengthening you. He never ever reprimanded you. I think that's what's so beautiful to know. I think that's very important to realize that that's the way God will interact with you and how the Holy Spirit interacts with us because and of course in miracles it says when we had that thought of separation that moment of of thinking we could be better than our source right um the he placed the Holy Spirit right there and the solution was right there at that same moment so actually nothing actually happened this so we're actually just reooking at something that has passed is already passed is already solved which is really really a beautiful thought and so yeah I think that's wonderful that you're describing it in such a colorful way and dear and I can tell if we were to think about the frequency of joy joy if we think about the frequency of joy and say I lose my temper with my husband. I It's always my husband. What can I say? We're in clo close quarters 40 years. You know, I know exactly when my frequency goes down. I know exactly when I am reacting. And you have two egos speaking in the room. I know exactly. And if I when I get up or when I move to a different room, Holy Spirit will kindly say, "How are you doing? Are you okay with your words?" And it's because you're in a relationship. But hey, Holy Spirit knows when my frequency when the joy has dropped and I'm relating here. And so to come back up here, I have given Holy Spirit, Jesus, Father, the Trinity. I've given them permission to talk to me that way because I don't ever want to remain in a state of feeling separate. by my own choices.
1:06:47WanakoThat's a great idea. Why don't we How would you word that so that we can all join you in making that decision that Holy Spirit can um show us the way instead of staying um letting ourselves drop further and further into that ego thinking? Yeah.
1:07:12KristenI talk to Holy Spirit just like I'm talking with you right now. And Holy Spirit usually asks me, "How are you doing?" or "How are you feeling?" So my first point is I have to acknowledge that I'm feeling some way. So that I have a couple choices there. I could stuff it, move on, and just put on a friendly face and say, "No, I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine." But then I l I cut off the Holy Spirit's right to be the comforter because I took it care of it myself and I stuffed it. So if I stuff it long enough, it's going to manifest in my body. Period. So by acknowledging that I feel this way is one of the first ways that he can come in and comfort me because I've acknowledged, oh, I've acknowledged, well, this makes me feel unsafe. This ma makes me feel unsafe. this makes me feel fragile. Then that opens the conversation of well why why do you feel fragile? And it's usually because there's a need that needs to be filled. And unless I have the conversation, I'm not opening myself up to allow Holy Spirit to actually fill what's at the root of the need. So that the manifestation of my ego or the need so that I don't put my expectations out for other people to fill something that Holy Spirit is responsible to do as my comforter, as my peacemaker. as my teacher as truth. So I have to identify my need and if it if it were to come down as simple as God I need to hear you. I need to hear from you. Okay. Then father God I I need to hear for you. Good. Go for a walk. Let nature just sing to you. Let nature breathe in and brea out. Breathe out. And realize that nature is singing a song over you. Listen, God talks in so many ways. And if we've had a struggling day or a struggling time, then give that struggling time. Here it is. I'm struggling with this. Jesus, would you carry this with me? And then on your walk, imagine Jesus walking there carrying your stuff. And I guarantee that his ability to carry your stuff and he doesn't ever give it back. He never gives it back. Your stuff, he never gives it back. And all of a sudden, because you have this trust. And even in days that I go, God, I'm I'm having a hard time trusting you. Well, Jesus always a question with a question because he wants us to grow. Well, why is that? It always comes back to a need. And as soon as I get back to the need, well, I don't feel filled here or I might feel ignored here or I I need to be validated here. There isn't anybody better to validate you than the Trinity. that it's just a simple a conversation even to the point of God, I need to know you're real. Okay, great. Just be prepared. Just be prepared to listen and and the answer it might be on a billboard or you turn on your radio and then when you get that little uncction just like when I was learning the peripheral v vision you know learning to hear in the spirit and see in the spirit the molecules of the that quantum field they they started to change. Well, what did I do? I had a conversation. As soon as I felt the change, I went, I saw that and Jesus would affirm me. He goes, "Yes, you did." And if somebody from the cloud of witnesses were to walk into my house, they have permission to walk into my house. I go, "Um, Jesus, somebody just came in." He goes, "Yeah, who is it?" They're my painters. Well, it feels like this. So, it's a conversation. I mean, what did he say to Jeremiah all the time when he was teaching Jeremiah how to see in the spirit? What do you see? And Jeremiah say he goes, "You'd see, right?" You know, if you you you're in the grocery store and you walk, you know, somebody pushes their car groceries next to, you know, from you and you can feel, wow, they have a good day or they have a bad day, whatever. And all of a sudden, the Holy Spirit says,"Well, why why don't you tell her that her her dress is really pretty on her?" And it totally changes the atmosphere. It might be that little spark of, "Well, she needed to hear from God that day, and maybe he used my mouth to tell her, I really like the color of your dress on you today." That's how simple hearing from God is. He might use your lips, my lips, might use nature, might use a billboard, turning on the radio, might give you a dream at night. Well, they have a journal there to write it down.
1:13:38WanakoI loved your your point about writing how how God likes to document things. I thought that was so fun. It's such a beautiful image because that everything that is actually real is is actually eternal. So So to say it's written down is basically saying it's eternal. It's always available right to us. I thought that was a very beautiful image of that library where everything that is real is is accessible to us. Yeah.
1:14:14KristenSo yeah, I had a a a an aha moment is because when we hear something we always see in the Lord's pre prayer, right? Our father who art in heaven, hallowed by be your name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. What would be the first place where it would land on Earth? Oh, hey. By writing it down, it becomes a record on the earth. When we don't write it down, it doesn't become a record. When you write it down, you have a dream. Okay? Ask Holy Spirit about your dream. Well, what was what this dream mean? What what did it feel like? What what was when you woke up? What was your essence? what your feelings at that thing. Write it down. It becomes a record on the earth. And then when you keep track of all those records, then all of a sudden, woo, you you have an encounter and all of a sudden went, I've been here before. I've been here before. And you can just look up on your in your your records and it comes up from your search and you go, oh, and you're learning. You're you're learning. It's a it's a beautiful thing. I mean, the records in heaven, the libraries in heaven are phenomenal. Are phenomenal. And yes, we could go pull the books off of the libraries, the shelves of unimaginable things. The DNA of a woolly mammoth. The DNA of original wheat. the oh it's it's it's unimaginable and it's just a fabulous place to be to learn to be educated. I my first book God took me um you could relate to it like um St. Teresa in in the inner rooms and he took me to an inner room, but when I went into the inner room, I wrote on the back of him as the lion of the tribe of Judah. It was the coolest thing. And I I I wrote about it in the book and I went into this inner room and I could see my book, the one that I was writing on a shelf and I wrestled it with it. I I I I wrestled with, oh, if I touch it, if I touch it, if I touch it, if I engage with it, then I can't procrastinate any longer about writing it. And and when I finally had the courage to pull it off the shelf, this is in the book. This is one of my favorite things. I pulled it off the shelf and Jesus said, he goes, "Hand it to And I hand it to him. My book, the literal the the little literal book right there. I hand it to him. He opened up the page and handed it back to me. And I go, "Oh, well, you opened it up to page 93." He sure did. My spirit, you know, I'm writing this down in my journal. He opened it up the encounter page 93. It will be done on July, let me remember, 17th, 2000. Yeah. So, all that and then I closed it up. Okay. Well, am I going to believe what I just encountered? I mean, it's pretty far-fetched, you know. Guess what happened three months later? I was sitting outside and I was go reading through my final edit. My husband's reading through the final edit. I have the the printed from the printer. I have the book printed out on paper. And I'm reading through my final edit before it goes to print. And guess what was on page 93? Do you know how many people had edited and moved my text? And it was on page 93. That was God telling me, "You were actually here. It's living." And all I did is I walked ahead on the timeline and Jesus, I encountered Jesus. But it actually happened. And now I get to tell you about it. And it's written in the book and it actually happened. And I that that actual page, page 93, I gave it to one of my dearest friends. I framed it and gave it to one of my dearest friends as a very valuable treasure because the kingdom of heaven came and it became my encounter became a record on the earth and that record on the earth manifested and that's gone. So isn't that a reason to put your hands up in the air and dance some more and go, "Oh my gosh, did that feel amazing?" Oh yeah. And it just reminds me that he's God. This is the dude that I want to help me with my life because he's able and it helps me to trust him.
1:19:59WanakoI love that story. It's such a great story. Yeah. Thank you for telling us that story. It's very very encouraging to trust the the encounters we have and the the visions or whatever you want to call them these insights into what is in store for us and yeah it's it's not always um it I don't know let's put it this way it is so clear that it has to be true but are you going to also allow that to happen or when will you allow it to happen, right? The curriculum is set, it will happen when okay, will it happen in the in the way it was shown? If it's given so clearly like it was in your case, it probably will happen exactly as you got it. But if if you were not able to see get it that clearly, then you will find out, right? So yeah, it's very very beautiful. So, is there any question I didn't ask you that you would like to answer because I I actually we extended the time that I usually give this. So, let's let's just start wrapping up.
1:21:15KristenUh it it's just been so joy joyful. It's wonderful. Now, I I asked Holy Spirit this morning, is there anything that's on your heart um imagining every person that would listen and and there's one thing that I would say, our words in this time together are alive and can be engaged with if we stepped up into the libraries of heaven, we'd see a record of it of this time. So where whenever you listen, just engage what you feel. If you feel the encouragement, the hope, the joy, just take that, have communion with it. the way that you feel. Have communion with it and eat of him and drink of that new covenant and let it go inside you to to flood you because as we know you and I hanging out that's not happen stance. Holy Spirit divinely invites people to hear to be encouraged. Maybe you were one of those people that asked if God was real today. Or you had this crazy encounter last night that you had no idea was going on until you sat down and Holy Spirit put this podcast in front of you today and you went, "Oh, it kind of sounds like what they were talking about. God is speaking." Thank you so much, Anaka.
1:23:11WanakoYou're very welcome, Kristen. I'm so happy we had this conversation and I hope we'll have further conversations in the future. And thank you everyone for joining us here whenever that is whenever that will be in my point of view if I'm saying from the point in time in which I'm speaking. But this is going to so thankful to you all. and please let other people know about the podcast and if you want to be a guest please reach out to me so that I can schedule that with you and we can have a wonderful conversation as well. So if you have a story or or you want to share a message of of love and hope and certainty of the outcome, please step up and speak to me. And if you're not sure if if you are worthy of speaking, be sure about it. You are. Blessings to you all and till next time.
Host: Wanako Overhuber
Guest: Kristen Wambach
0:00WanakoWelcome to the Holy Spirit's Curriculum of Joy podcast. My name is Wanuko Overhuber and I am your host. My guest today is Kristen Wombach. Welcome to the podcast.
0:07KristenThank you so much. It's good to see you again, Monaco.
0:16WanakoFor all of you who don't know, I've had the pleasure of being on Kristen's podcast as well called Interviewing Jesus. And it led to some irritation of some of the people who know who saw my um showing it off on Facebook that I was on some on a podcast because they were reacting to the Christian idea, the idea that it's Christian or something like that and they had some strange reactions. But anyways, I I care I do not care. I'm so happy I was on your podcast and we talked about so beautiful topics and we did how how marvelousless it is to be able to support children in living their their talents and their observations and their abilities that may go beyond the physical body.
1:17KristenAnyway, and it was as I shared with you Wanako, it was very well received. So meaning it is a subject matter um that needs more attention actually.
1:31WanakoYeah, absolutely. And I I'm in early childhood education so perfect subject for me. Anyways, so Kristen, I would like to start our conversation with how did you come to see the world the way you do today?
1:50KristenWell, I'll have to go back till I was in my 30s. I'm 65 today. And um Holy Spirit was seeking me and I was ignoring Holy Spirit. And but I didn't like my I didn't like that. I felt broken being a wife, mother of a young family. And so when Holy Spirit introduced himself to me, life changed. And from that point, I learned talks, communicated, learn to hear from God through journaling. It all just kept going, progressing along in on the journey. Um, I was I I went to church. I led all the church meetings and did women's ministry and led worship and yada yada yada yada. And then one day God opened my spiritual eyes and everything changed. So I can see in the spirit. Um it is something that I can turn on and turn off, lean into, not lean into. I can choose to look at good things or bad things. And it was a matter of growth where I don't look at the bad things unless it's to take them to the courts of heaven to deal with them.
3:25WanakoThat's how I very very fascinating. I'm wondering you know how did Holy Spirit present himself to you? And the other thing, what was the experience of your spiritual eyeopening like?
3:41KristenOkay, so I'm going to jump in here because I know you have a spiritually mature audience. Holy Spirit presents herself as female. I say him because it's just simpler just to say him. But holy spi spirit presents herselves as the the female the female spirit of god you could say Jehovah shama the many breasted one that is how I deal with her that's how I see her that's just between me and holy spirit that's the way it is so and then your second question was what was the experience that opened my eyes correct?
4:29WanakoUm, yeah, that's part of it, but I wanted to know what it was like when your when your spiritual eye was opened.
4:42KristenSo, yes, the experience plus what it was like. Okay. So, when I hear the word like, what does it feel like? Put all of the the intuitive part into it. It was it was over a period of time. So, it wasn't that here we go, here's the glasses and then there are no glasses. It wasn't so much that my first intuitive feelings was it came more from a peripheral point of view. I started to see the way I describe it. I could see the molecular or the light. I could see the light. How would you say um particles move? So if how would I put that in? It's as if Wanico, you walked into my office, I would see you. So I could always tell when the light particles moved. I didn't have full vision at that time. Another way I describe it is kind of like the the the radar for a submarine when they send out a pinging to actually to get a description on the ocean floor and what's there. So that's how I learned. So, my spirit was pinging out and I began to see as if it were a a graph of telling me what is if it's a room, if it's a being, if it's an angel, if it's part of the cloud of witnesses. So, it was really it started peripheral and then it started moving to the front to where I figured out I had a choice to to tune in or tune a turn aside. I had to learn that that I could turn it on and off. Now, the feelings around that, I've always been very open with the Lord and he has with me. So I never was fearful or frightened. Um there was a point of time where I shared the information with people and uh people would roll their eyes. So the misunderstanding of it or the fear of it, it caused me to go into a season of being very alone because people didn't understand. People didn't understand but people didn't have the experience. So I had to change my opinions because you can't ask information from a person who has no experience. You you just can't. So I had a period of um just Holy Spirit in me and develop with me and began to have relationships with um angels and beings and learning about that. And Jesus would just hold my hand and we'd walk into different realms. Some of the realms would be contained within the creation or the earth or the universe and then other realms are in what I would classify as the kingdom of heaven. And I say I say that with a question mark because there's there's the the kingdom of the earth is in there. Thankfully, God has listed it out in western culture, but it it seems hierarchal, but it's really not. It's just easier for my understanding to grasp. But there are lower realms of the earth. There's the kingdom of heaven that we would know the earth and all the quantum realities that are there. And then there's the kingdom of heaven which when you step through the Lord himself which he's provided himself as a door and you know the father by name.
9:14WanakoYeah. I think that's a very important passage there. the one where where Jesus um describes himself as the door and shows us says you can walk through right if you allow me to be that door right I don't know the exact words but I remember that that passage is something that people tend to have difficulties with because it can be interpreted as other cultures are not allowed through right or it could be interpreted if you don't accept me as God, you can't come through or things like that. And the and I've always come to an I've come to an understanding where I say, okay, it's about the state of mind in which you get to be at at in the same place as as Jesus or as anyone anyone who would walk through that doorway, right? You become capable of moving through that doorway. I think that's it's it's not really personalized, but it is a personal thing. I don't know how to put it. It's it's hard to to grasp. But anyways, I think that's very an important aspect of it because I I've I've met you and I have the impress in our conversations. I have the impression you're very open-minded and I've had I've had Christian people who who respond very closedminded, right, as well. I've met them as well. So I think that's it's a very important if you could speak in depth about that.
10:51KristenI think this is a really important topic as well and I in my podcasting and having guests on and some guests they'll what they call pitch you you know to come and be on your show. Um, I always ask Holy Spirit, you know, and I can usually feel right off, but some people I lean into a little bit more. And finally, you know, because I don't consider myself a a Jesus prude by any means, and I can learn from other people. But when I was encountering and having conversations with people, they kept talking about the divine, the divine, the divine. And I went, "Okay." And I got alone with God and I said, "Um, why is it when people talk about the divine, can you please ex expand that? I I need to have a language, a conversation um with you about that. And you know, God the Father just simply said, "They don't know me by name. They're they're divine." And I said, "Okay." And then he he laid out kind of like I was describing there is creation or the universe which all the realms of consciousness are in. But in my experience, spirit is higher than consciousness because consciousness is where you get the understanding of the communication with spirit and therefore you can tell a story, you can share an encounter. That's where the consciousness comes in. So consciousness is there's a oneness to our consciousness as brothers and sisters in Christ but there is spirit which is outside and encompasses consciousness because when if death occurs then consciousness which I would call your soul because your consciousness and your soul actually are attached to your spirit. And here's your body. Your consciousness or your soul is can go. It remains in both realms. It would leave the body should the body die and it is also present in the heavenly realms like when I engage the cloud of witnesses. their soul, their personality, their personhood that I would come into contact with is there with their spirit. That's how you recognize them. Sometimes when I see relatives in the cloud of witnesses or other people's relatives, they will come to me in in the figure of where my memories are with them. And sometimes I'll see them at the proverbial age where it seems like everybody is somewhere in like late 20s, early 30s. That seems to be the overarching of if you could put an age on somebody in my sight and my understanding or my consciousness of them. But but yeah, asking God regarding the divine. I recently had a a lunch with um a very brilliant unlady and she kept talking about the divine and divine and I'm listening and listening because I want to learn um I want to learn I want to learn the different ways that people enter into consciousness and how they they move through the different realms and how they describe the different realms. But one thing that I was noticing which was so interesting is I didn't feel a vibing frequency with her. I understood many of the things that she discussed. We might have a different language but there wasn't a frequency. And I was just sitting there going we have so much in common. Why isn't there that vibration to where you get excited when you're with them or tell me about this or tell me about that? And it wasn't with there. So, at the end of our lovely lunch, I got in the car and immediately I just turned on my my my my worship channel and I just started singing and singing. And I was driving to my next destination and I was singing and worshiping and worshiping and worshiping. And then I I finally asked God, I go, "What was that about?" And he says, "That was the missing that's the missing part. He He's God. There's a place of worship that lives in me that brings me to my knees, that causes me to be prostrate, that causes I have stories and stories about tangibly feeling not only his power, his his light power, his electric power, but the power of his love. And that's that's not something I just call divine. That's something that Oh my god, praise you. You're God. I need him to be God.
16:39WanakoI love it. It's a great uh great way of of putting it because we do have the choice, right? And it is very personal and so every um everyone has the right to experience it personally, right? And if you don't— Yeah. And it's an experience. In a course in miracles for instance it says it's an ex the experience is universal but not the language around it. Right. So yeah, so we we we do need to focus on the experience and and like you said, she was saying divine divine, but you didn't feel that spark of or this this this depth of like you you said worship or this personal experience of a presence that loves you, right? Of of someone that loves you and loves you unconditionally. I hope that was and so on. So this is very very very crucial to our experience and I think that's very well put and I and it's our choice right if if Jesus is the the person to guide me and and that's how it works for me then that is wonderful and that's what I what I should go with but it doesn't mean that I have to say no to someone who who can describe it very differently and but is actually speaking of the same experience. So I think that's very well put how how open-mindedness works for you.
18:15KristenWhat and in so in the worship to to basically remind myself of the the frequency and the sound the the the the light and the uplifting. One of the things that I am so aware of, he's holy. He's holy. And that's what creates the awe of is God. And it's not a squishing awe. I am not squished by any means. I am in awe of who he is. And yes, I have been in situations and circumstances where you could you could talk about the thickness of his presence or some people might call it the shakina glory, but you walk in and and you can feel it and there's there's a pressure. There's a pressure as if you were, I suppose, in one of those non-gravitational space things. You can feel the pressure of the atmosphere of God himself. And it's phenomenal. And it's just it it's phenomenal. And you're just like, I'm so glad you're God. I'm so glad you're God.
19:42WanakoThat that is so beautiful that you can have that experience, right? And I think when I remember I was I once spoke about having heard the Jesus. He spoke to me and said one sentence and then it broke off. But anyways, the presence was amazing, right? And and that that's something you never forget. So the these things are you know okay you tell a Christian person that you heard Jesus speak and it has and other people describe it as channeling beings and whatever but this was Jesus I I got through but whatever for me it had to to understand the process and so on the the idea of channeling was very helpful and so it but they they would like oh that's not possible that doesn't work right on right. So it was like okay I had this direct experience it was my experience very personal very very very strong and very meaningful to me but it didn't mean the same thing to the person I was speaking to they they they couldn't even relate to it right and I was like okay what is their personal experience with Jesus if it's if what I'm telling them doesn't make sense... pass that on to you.
21:17KristenI was waiting for you to give me another one of your brilliant questions.
21:28WanakoLet's Let's go ahead. Let's talk about so you already shared your person your relationship with God right and the parent of the father as as you described I think that's a very very important this presence this thickness of presence I think that's a beautiful description of how how um how your whole yeah your whole being experiences it not something and it's so powerful that you actually can describe it with in physical terms as as very very real and I think that's what I think one of the most important things is the reality of it so real it's more real than anything else right and therefore so much more uh enriching right so I think that's a very very important point so would you maybe you'd like to describe one of these encount these these encounters with God and how it helped you in your everyday life. And perhaps we want to touch the topic we had last time when I was on your podcast about how it helped you with children.
22:47KristenYes. Yes. Yes. Yes. So, as you were asking me the question, I'd already had a it it a story that came forward. See that's see right there is the vibing. It's the oneness in the spirit as I'm getting the thought Holy Spirit's giving me a thought. Oh, you should tell this story. You're asking the question right there all and it's simultaneously and it it's it's beautiful. How does he how do we do that? How do we do that? I mean, you're all the way over on the other side of the pond. Eight hours difference and I'm here and Holy Spirit is orchestrating and it's so beautiful. It's so beautiful. Now, my story. So, years ago, I was raised in a conservative evangelical home and Holy Spirit was just text in a Bible. there wasn't um a personal relationship with Holy Spirit. And so as I was learning to do this, cuz raising my hands was foreign. They didn't do that where I went to church. You didn't dance. You might get a hallelujah or an amen maybe, but it was very conservative. So there was no generational language for the freedom just to release your body and worship to God. That wasn't there. So I had to baby steps because you feel like everybody's looking at you, you know, and baby steps growing my worship, freeing my worship. And I'd given in the point of my journey, I'd given my arms and my voice and and my hands to the Lord, but I'd never danced. I my fa I'd never danced before. And I grew up from the age three taking dancing lessons. I was always a dancer in my and still am today. But I never offered him my feet. I went to a worship conference in Irvine, Texas, and full of like 3,000 worship leaders. I mean, it's like, oh, it was wonderful and and gorgeous and and we were there for the the first night and it was lovely. But by the second night, I was getting more courageous and my to reach out and give God what he had so given me in his love for me. And so I they they were playing music and worship and I scooted out of the the line of chairs and I went to the back of the auditorium, you know, in my little hidden spot, hopefully nobody would see me. And I began to move and I began to dance and I just was free. I was free and I moved in the music and I couldn't didn't care anymore what somebody thought or their opinion and I was just unaware of anybody else in the room besides me and and the Lord. It was like oh it was the most beautiful thing and I must dance for 20 or 30 m 30 minutes. And so then in the natural course of of a of an event or a seminar, then you know the music dies down. They're going to have speakers come in. And so I come back to my seat and I sit down in my seat and I'm with my girlfriend and a new person that I'd met at the conference and all of a sudden I started to vibrate. And all of a sudden I started to vibrate more. And they're looking at me and they're putting their hands on me and they're going, "All right, Kristen. Okay, okay, what's what's going on here?" And I started to vibrate so violently that I could not remain in my seat and I slid out of the seat and my friends are trying to pick me up and put me in my seat so I look normal. And I just vibrated and I quaint. I couldn't tell you how long. And I had no clue. All of us evangelical people had no clue. Um they didn't call the emergency people. That's really good. But when I finally had composure and I sat in my seat, I still had no clue. I I had no clue what was what had transpired, what was going. I knew that it was God. And later on as I got alone and and spoke to me, he said, "Well, you gave me my your feet and it was a beautiful gift." And so it was like I plugged into the wall outlet to the power of God. And that was his way of saying I received your offering. And I mean to this day, that's why I said there's a power and a holiness of God. It didn't frighten me. I had to explain it all, but it's happened many times since. But I knew it was he was taking my offering of freeing up my feet to worship and and love him. And that's how he said thank you. And he made me so aware of his that he's God. That he's God.
29:04WanakoThat is so beautiful. And I think that's something that we should go a little into into because there is this fear of God. There is this fear that you couldn't feel comfortable could be or could be criticized or whatever else. I think you you've found a way to accept what God has to offer when you are willing to offer your voice, your body or whatever is needed. You have found a way to allow that to happen. And I think that's something that many of us struggle with. I I believe I also have my issues with that. And so it's it's a very very very important topic and I think it's dear to to anyone who's interested in allowing the the beauty of a personal connection to our source or and or to God to yeah manifest in our lives or better said just to show itself in our lives because that's where we're from. That's who we who created us. So that's what expresses itself and if we allow that consciously it's even better and even if it's unconscious it's still wonderful. So the question is how do we let go of all that fear that gets interferes with that because I remember when I heard Jesus speak I I think I fear came up and I and I wasn't able to allow him to continue right so the at least I think but when I asked him to speak again he didn't right so obviously there were there is some fear or something that intervened right with with it being able to go deeper So, I I'd love to hear your take on that. How can one go deeper and enjoy the whole thing and not get stuck in these ideas? Like you said, you let go of your fear of what people would think of you, right? And I think that's that's a very very important part of it.
31:15KristenAgreed. He my spirit I wanted to give back and that didn't just happen overnight. So because Holy Spirit was wooing me and and and teaching me and calling me there was before that kind of manifestation happened. I remember sitting at my piano, a a a broken person, not even knowing how knowing how to call out to God because I assumed that God was going to come in and with point the finger and said, "You messed up here. You messed up here. Messed up here. Shame, shame, shame." No. Never. Never. Never. God never works in shame or guilt. I have done so many inner healing modalities and 100% of the time God never talks about the thing that you think that God wants to pinpoint. Never. He always shows up with love and encouragement. And because of that love and encouragement, you go, "Wow, you really are my savior." There's this. He doesn't expect us to believe he is our savior until he's proven himself even though he's already done that on the cross and and his ministry. He doesn't take it for granted. But I had this we developed this conversation and this language because Holy Spirit started to lift off through music. I began to sang sing again. I began to write music and play the piano and Holy Spirit just lifted off the weights and the misunderstandings and the the things that I didn't know about. I I didn't know about the manifestation of the Lord. I didn't know that he could be tangible. That wasn't anywhere in my generational language. It wasn't handed to me. Uh I when I read the Bible, it wasn't highlighted. It wasn't there. It was something that I was shown by his goodness and the grace that he put on my life. So here all this bad choices that I made as a young person and now I don't feel guilty. I I don't feel shame. No wonder I can give him my hands and my feet. And that that's that's the process is that you're you're so in love with him because no longer are you weighted down with shame and guilt, even fear of the unknown, but you want to give with the same generosity that has been given to you.
34:29WanakoOh, that that is so touching to to hear this this description of devotion and how one can recognize one's own's nature by recognizing God's nature because I think there's there's a lot of, you know, the Bible does have a lot of passages where fear God or or where consequences come around and and it's described as coming from God and so on. Then you describe God as this unconditionally loving being. Then then you can question all those passages as love. What what does that really mean? Because is that was that God or is that the way God is supposed to be described or or was there something completely different going on and it's a misinterpretation, right? It's it's there's so many questions that come up when one realizes that God is love, right? And we are love as well because the child of God needs to be of the same nature as God.
35:33KristenYeah. It was I learned it like this. Jesus is God in the flesh. We know that Jesus is God in the flesh. So there's his spirit, God's spirit in Jesus. And Jesus walked sinless. So his offering of himself on our behalf to be crucified on the cross, what those things that we know in that relationship, God had to give up his right to be angry at his kids. God had to give up his right to show wrath. And therefore, you see Jesus, I mean, God had to give up his right to be angry just as much as we have to give up our right to be angry at people, to be bitter at people, to hold that in us. God never expected us just to do it blindly. He was the first one that had to give up his right to be angry, to show wrath. So when you see Jesus's ministry there and you look at the Old Testament, God literally gave up all that so that Jesus could be the door for peace and love and hope and joy. But it cost God something, too.
37:20WanakoYeah, that that's an interesting take on it. Certainly I I I I think there there there are other takes on it like the the way that it's described in the course of miracles and so on. And I I think the the idea that that this idea of God that was there before right changed right drastically in our minds into the idea of God is love right and we are love whether that means God had changed I don't know right had to give up something or Jesus had to intervene for humanity I don't know right but the the idea. The idea that we have always been loved and that we are are learning to recognize that because we are the because we are the ch child of God, being the child of God, we need to be of the same nature. And so if if if God is love, then we are also love in truth, right? And so in a course in miracles, it speaks of an idea of separation that led to the making of a world that is a dream that isn't real and isn't it and doesn't um show up as love, right? It doesn't it shows up as separation as all this and through the reinterpretation which um through the Holy Spirit through the through God through Jesus you can actually be yeah respond or actually see the world in a way that actually provides you with the view of love right lets you see love everywhere and lets you remember who you are so the world actually becomes your teacher rather than your your enemy that you or this idea of se the representative of an idea of separation it becomes the representative of the idea the truth of love right and dissolves into that love right or or actually shows up as love let's put it that way and I think that's that's one of the things you were describing when you were show sharing how tangible God is right
39:46Kristenso so tangible and that I I like your description on the the separation because I can easily relate to that because geez when I got married I wasn't asking God's opinion yeah not at all I didn't ask God's opin opinion. And so, you know, young, married, all of a sudden you're having kids and all of a sudden you realize that your deposit, your own personal deposit inside of you is feeling empty. And here I have children that I'm supposed to love and guide and and and train up and and discipline. And all of a sudden I go, "Wow, I just kind of feel empty here." So I felt that separation. But the interesting thing is Holy Spirit was always right there. Holy Spirit didn't stay outside the house or outside the room or out just always right there encouraging me. Let's have a conversation. Let's talk about this. Let me hold you for a while. if you can't talk about it. Never was he outside of my first question or request of I need help. I can't do this by myself. Or I'm sorry. And it's no different than me throwing up my arms and releasing my feet to say, "Oh, I just release my the weight of life, the weight of choices, just the weight and the noise."
41:49WanakoYeah, I think that's very remarkable because it's also about the the the issue of accepting who you are, right? Because all this weight is not who we are, right? So the the the the resurrection or the the the recognition that one is holy, one is pure actually frees you. And I and and I think that's so amazing when when you can do that, when you choose to do that, then you actually discover so much freedom and you discover more about who you are. You start remembering who you are and that is a a deep deep experience. So I think that's that's really beautiful. I think that's why the the idea of the washing away of sins is so important or the idea that there are no there is no sin that you need to hold on to because it doesn't make any sense at all. Right? The and of course in miracles it basically says we are sinless, we are holy and so on and that to recognize that means means so much, right? But when when I started writing about a course of miracles, I was like, okay, they were always saying um there was all these things and then I started saying, okay, dear holy one, then then there were all these people who are reacting to that. Why is he writing that? That's not possible. You can't write that. Even though that that was exactly the language of course miracles, right? We need to get used to seeing ourselves differently the way the the Lord sees us or the way God sees us. And so when you have this experience of how God sees you, you you actually are able to to let change your mind about yourself in so many ways. And every time that happens is a is a blessing, right? As you you described that so well. So yeah, I I personally love it every time I allow myself to to let go of my personal ideas of how judged I should be.
44:17KristenWaco, I think there's in what you said, there's a key word and that was remembering. And when we remember ourselves, when Holy Spirit takes us and we find ourselves seated at the table of creation in him because that frequency and that sound that let there be light that I mean we were there the same place with wisdom before God said let there be light. So when we allow him to help us to remember remember ourselves, remember that conversation talking him talking with us about who we are and the uniqueness that each one of us are and and the different ways the the gifts that he has shared with us and why he's shared the this with us. Then all of a sudden in our remembering, we can pick up the timeline. We can pick up the ages. We can sit in on the living word and go in and experience the life of Christ because we allow him to help us remember. In in Malachi, I think it's Malachi 3, it talks about God writes a book of remembrance. Well, in all in many of our experiences, I know your listeners, too, we've experienced these beautiful libraries in heaven with with books and scrolls and and writings. God loves to write things down. Whenever there's a a a record or a law or a governance, God is writing it down. That's why he has scribes. So when we write down when we feel when we remember when we go oh what was that I got I don't know what came in the room but something came in the room and Holy Spirit always goes uhhuh feel it what does it what does it feel like and it's just a teaching but every time I choose to write it down shows that I honor the words honor their journey me. I I'm honoring it and it just becomes a delicious way to remember who I am in all the places that I sit with him in our oneness.
47:17Wanako(Brief connection glitch) from my perspective, you are frozen. There you are. So, yeah, there's this beautiful, you were speaking of how beautiful the experience is and how deep it goes when you remember who you are. You get reminded of who you are through this encounter with God. Would you like to expand some more?
47:53KristenSo I was talking about so the the the the memory the experience because remember God is omni potent omnipresent. He's he's outside of time. So our spirit has the same opportunity to move out into a timeless place. It's it's a journey. First thing, it was really important for me to learn how to ascend in Christ, for him to hold my hand everywhere I go so that I knew that I was being led by the Holy Spirit. I knew that he was leading me into all truth because that's what he says. And then once I learned to ascend, go up and down, so to speak, then I was allowed to experience the timeline and and and move. And that's part of our our remembering. And when he takes us on the timeline and we remember or or or watch or experience something happening generationally or something happen that's written in scripture. Then we remember that we're actually seated in him and have his eyes, his ears, his feeling and we can be it. It is there aren't any words to describe it. And when we have those what we might call is a deja vu mo moment that just means that our spirit has moved ahead is reading like the pinging of the submarine underground. That means our spirit is running and listening ahead so that it pings back here to keep us on the right path moving forward to that which God's goodness is leading us into because he gives us the desires of our heart. So it's really encouraging to to see your spirit run ahead and sit in that desire. So when you sit in that desire, that motivates me to put my feet in this spot and this spot and make choices that coincide with that desire.
50:20WanakoThat's that's very beautiful to recognize that one can be guided in that way by seeing things by feeling things by recognizing that the as the course of miracles says the will of God and our will are the same right anything else would be would be false. So the will of God is that we are perfectly happy. And he also and it also says that one can agree that one wants to be per one wants to be perfectly happy that everyone can agree on that.
51:00Kristenperfectly happy. You know, actually, I can honestly say that that I will have a conversation with myself regarding that because sometimes we don't answer to ourselves, what is it about the perfectly happy that I'm looking for when it's it's provided for me? What? And and and in answering that question about being perfectly happy, we write down, well, what does that look like? What does that feel like? What does that entail? And then I have choices around it. So, in this the last year and a half, I've been taking better care of myself, the self-care and the the working out and eating better, and I I feel better. So, but there's there's an action that I step into because it's a desire of knowing that it would bring happiness to me to be able to keep up with my granddaughter and go hang out with my kids and have the energy, well-being, and stamina to be present with my family. So happiness I I ask that myself that all the time. Well, what does it feel like and when I write down what it feels like? Then I ask myself, well, are you in agreement with what it feels like? Do I need to make any adjustments because I'm out of agreement with what I think happiness means to me? So for me it was very important to identify and sometimes it's on a daily basis that I identify well why don't I feel happy today is it a feeling or is it something that I need to come into agreement with to allow Holy Spirit to adjust my perception.
53:11Wanakoand that that's very well put in a course in miracles It says you need to listen to Holy Spirit so that Holy Spirit can reinterpret everything that you're you're obviously misinterpreting. Otherwise, you would be perfect and happy. I think that's a very good point. Yeah. Another thing you you see my the podcast is called the Holy Spirit's curriculum of joy. So what is that curriculum of joy? It also when you think of the Bible, it also it it speaks of the the message of joy, right? It's a message of joy according to what I understand every every one of the apostles gave a a joyful message, right? In evangel and so yeah, it's a very very important thing. Joy is central to the message of Jesus Christ.
54:25KristenThe Holy Spir um joy is one of Holy Spirit's attributes. Perfect. So that that's that's what it's all about. Yeah. Yeah.
54:47WanakoSo is there I I also wanted to go into another topic but we're coming to an end. I was thinking of the topic you were saying you can shut you can decide whether you want to see with your your spiritual eye or not. And I I've also learned that that's a choice that we can make when we want to see and what we want to look at right with the spiritual eye. And that that makes a lot of sense because then you are empowered to choose.
55:24KristenI I agree. Um when I describe myself as a mystic, people a lot of times when they get the concept is that your spirit has eyes, feelers. Some people are feelers, some people are seers. But it's up to us to develop all all sides of it, to develop it all and to hang around people that that that hear the Lord differently than we do so that we can grow and we can um learn. I lost my thought for just a moment.
56:06WanakoYeah. So yeah, I think that the the that is a beautiful point that we can We learn together and of course in miracles it says we're walking each other home and we are each other's saviors which I think is also a beautiful thing is if you can see that in one another how it's saving you that is amazing.
56:30KristenYeah it's powerful. I remembered my thought is that the choice of turning in to whether you're turning into good or the bad. And um I could see if I went down the streets, I could see, you know, I could see strongholds. I could see different things where the negative, the ugly stuff could be. But I don't choose to because God always says, "Come up here. Come up higher. Come up higher." Um, let me use a roadway. So, there's a busy road that's right here by my house. And there's been accidents here at the turnoff of my home. Actually 2 months after we had moved in here, there was a gentleman who was thrown from his truck and ended up in my arborit. And I it was so cold out and I ran outside and I was attempting to raise him from the dead. That's and um but after he did not raise but there were many many people that I spoke to um that thanks me for praying for him and being there at that particular time. And it's interesting all the different times that I've had the opportunity, especially in an an emergency situation, you know, where I go to lay hands on somebody. I have never had one fireman paramedic ever tell me to move out of the way ever. I always attributed it to them feeling the presence of God there doing something. It It's amazing. But back to the good and the evil. So a lot of times I knew in this intersection there had been so much fear because there had been accidents. Now there was somebody who who died. So it creates fear. And if you could just think about it naturally, yeah, that there's a problem with that intersection there. So what did I do? I took it to the courts of heaven. Removed the fear, removed the confession of, oh, if I leave, this could happen or this can happen and ask for forgiveness. And then I set up angels to govern it. Angels on that highway. So angels go and if somebody's on their cell phone, get after them to hang up their cell phone, get after them to look up and see. You know, that's that's who we are to help and answer a very practical situation here. People sometimes assume that I can walk in their home in the spirit. Well, technically you could, but that would be rude. That that would be rude. Just like when if you came to my door, you'd knock on the door and you'd come in and then, you know, I'd show you around the house. Now, if we if you live next door to me, we'd have a relationship. You'd probably knock on the door, just come and say, "Kristen, are you in your office?" because we have a relationship to where you could just come into the house. It's the same thing with the spirit. When when we have a relationship with somebody, even heaven, there's a relationship to know that I can go in and out with them. I it it's our natural selves and matters and etiquets are so much the same in the spirit. I never if somebody asks me to pray for them or pray for a relative I always say then I have your permission. So when I have their permission to be a witness or like a an attorney to take the situation to the courts of heaven, their spirit is right there listening as a witness. I would never never go unless the Lord said I had an assignment. And so the the the good and the evil I I don't see the evil in somebody. I don't see and I should say that differently. It's not in somebody. It's it's it's a stronghold. But when somebody comes for an inner healing session, then they're coming and they're asking for help. And that's different because I hook them up with Jesus and alls I am is a facilitator and I they'll talk with Jesus. I am at 100% everybody can talk and hear from Jesus. Period. And when you hear Jesus doing those things, then Jesus is the one who shows them areas and they'll answer it themselves. I don't have to point out, well, there's a stronghold here and a stronghold there and a stronghold here. If the Lord gives a prophetic word, you meet somebody, you have a prophetic word. Meaning that he gives you inside information about the person. Well, I don't turn around and say, "I see this. I see this. I see this." Because what does that do? It just multiplies the same. I have to come over here and see the goodness of God and say, "Wow, you are so gifted as an artist. I just feel like God wants you to sing and pick up that instrument again and start playing, you know, because that encouragement of who they are draws them and breaks down the areas of strongholds." So I'm always looking at the good because the good love is the highest frequency there is.
1:03:08Wanakovery well put and I think that that's also principle you you probably know this in early childhood education you should look at what is working what is good what is what their talents are and and pick up from there. It's not about looking at deficits or things that are not working because that is counterproductive. And so it it is a training of the mind to do that. We need to retrain our mind to look for the the good for the for the the talents for the capabilities for the things that are working for the things and so on and so on. Yeah, you need to retrain your mind or you're the way you thought you had to look at the world. And yes, that's why the in the course of miracles, it always says you can listen to holy spirit or to the to the ego. The ego we made up the ego. The ego is this idea of separation, right? So the holy spirit is our same mind or the right mind and so on. So it actually when you listen to Holy Spirit and you described it so well when you spoke of how how God speak is is always encouraging you and strengthening you. He never ever reprimanded you. I think that's what's so beautiful to know. I think that's very important to realize that that's the way God will interact with you and how the Holy Spirit interacts with us because and of course in miracles it says when we had that thought of separation that moment of of thinking we could be better than our source right um the he placed the Holy Spirit right there and the solution was right there at that same moment so actually nothing actually happened this so we're actually just reooking at something that has passed is already passed is already solved which is really really a beautiful thought and so yeah I think that's wonderful that you're describing it in such a colorful way and dear and I can tell if we were to think about the frequency of joy joy if we think about the frequency of joy and say I lose my temper with my husband. I It's always my husband. What can I say? We're in clo close quarters 40 years. You know, I know exactly when my frequency goes down. I know exactly when I am reacting. And you have two egos speaking in the room. I know exactly. And if I when I get up or when I move to a different room, Holy Spirit will kindly say, "How are you doing? Are you okay with your words?" And it's because you're in a relationship. But hey, Holy Spirit knows when my frequency when the joy has dropped and I'm relating here. And so to come back up here, I have given Holy Spirit, Jesus, Father, the Trinity. I've given them permission to talk to me that way because I don't ever want to remain in a state of feeling separate. by my own choices.
1:06:47WanakoThat's a great idea. Why don't we How would you word that so that we can all join you in making that decision that Holy Spirit can um show us the way instead of staying um letting ourselves drop further and further into that ego thinking? Yeah.
1:07:12KristenI talk to Holy Spirit just like I'm talking with you right now. And Holy Spirit usually asks me, "How are you doing?" or "How are you feeling?" So my first point is I have to acknowledge that I'm feeling some way. So that I have a couple choices there. I could stuff it, move on, and just put on a friendly face and say, "No, I'm fine. I'm fine. I'm fine." But then I l I cut off the Holy Spirit's right to be the comforter because I took it care of it myself and I stuffed it. So if I stuff it long enough, it's going to manifest in my body. Period. So by acknowledging that I feel this way is one of the first ways that he can come in and comfort me because I've acknowledged, oh, I've acknowledged, well, this makes me feel unsafe. This ma makes me feel unsafe. this makes me feel fragile. Then that opens the conversation of well why why do you feel fragile? And it's usually because there's a need that needs to be filled. And unless I have the conversation, I'm not opening myself up to allow Holy Spirit to actually fill what's at the root of the need. So that the manifestation of my ego or the need so that I don't put my expectations out for other people to fill something that Holy Spirit is responsible to do as my comforter, as my peacemaker. as my teacher as truth. So I have to identify my need and if it if it were to come down as simple as God I need to hear you. I need to hear from you. Okay. Then father God I I need to hear for you. Good. Go for a walk. Let nature just sing to you. Let nature breathe in and brea out. Breathe out. And realize that nature is singing a song over you. Listen, God talks in so many ways. And if we've had a struggling day or a struggling time, then give that struggling time. Here it is. I'm struggling with this. Jesus, would you carry this with me? And then on your walk, imagine Jesus walking there carrying your stuff. And I guarantee that his ability to carry your stuff and he doesn't ever give it back. He never gives it back. Your stuff, he never gives it back. And all of a sudden, because you have this trust. And even in days that I go, God, I'm I'm having a hard time trusting you. Well, Jesus always a question with a question because he wants us to grow. Well, why is that? It always comes back to a need. And as soon as I get back to the need, well, I don't feel filled here or I might feel ignored here or I I need to be validated here. There isn't anybody better to validate you than the Trinity. that it's just a simple a conversation even to the point of God, I need to know you're real. Okay, great. Just be prepared. Just be prepared to listen and and the answer it might be on a billboard or you turn on your radio and then when you get that little uncction just like when I was learning the peripheral v vision you know learning to hear in the spirit and see in the spirit the molecules of the that quantum field they they started to change. Well, what did I do? I had a conversation. As soon as I felt the change, I went, I saw that and Jesus would affirm me. He goes, "Yes, you did." And if somebody from the cloud of witnesses were to walk into my house, they have permission to walk into my house. I go, "Um, Jesus, somebody just came in." He goes, "Yeah, who is it?" They're my painters. Well, it feels like this. So, it's a conversation. I mean, what did he say to Jeremiah all the time when he was teaching Jeremiah how to see in the spirit? What do you see? And Jeremiah say he goes, "You'd see, right?" You know, if you you you're in the grocery store and you walk, you know, somebody pushes their car groceries next to, you know, from you and you can feel, wow, they have a good day or they have a bad day, whatever. And all of a sudden, the Holy Spirit says,"Well, why why don't you tell her that her her dress is really pretty on her?" And it totally changes the atmosphere. It might be that little spark of, "Well, she needed to hear from God that day, and maybe he used my mouth to tell her, I really like the color of your dress on you today." That's how simple hearing from God is. He might use your lips, my lips, might use nature, might use a billboard, turning on the radio, might give you a dream at night. Well, they have a journal there to write it down.
1:13:38WanakoI loved your your point about writing how how God likes to document things. I thought that was so fun. It's such a beautiful image because that everything that is actually real is is actually eternal. So So to say it's written down is basically saying it's eternal. It's always available right to us. I thought that was a very beautiful image of that library where everything that is real is is accessible to us. Yeah.
1:14:14KristenSo yeah, I had a a a an aha moment is because when we hear something we always see in the Lord's pre prayer, right? Our father who art in heaven, hallowed by be your name, thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven. What would be the first place where it would land on Earth? Oh, hey. By writing it down, it becomes a record on the earth. When we don't write it down, it doesn't become a record. When you write it down, you have a dream. Okay? Ask Holy Spirit about your dream. Well, what was what this dream mean? What what did it feel like? What what was when you woke up? What was your essence? what your feelings at that thing. Write it down. It becomes a record on the earth. And then when you keep track of all those records, then all of a sudden, woo, you you have an encounter and all of a sudden went, I've been here before. I've been here before. And you can just look up on your in your your records and it comes up from your search and you go, oh, and you're learning. You're you're learning. It's a it's a beautiful thing. I mean, the records in heaven, the libraries in heaven are phenomenal. Are phenomenal. And yes, we could go pull the books off of the libraries, the shelves of unimaginable things. The DNA of a woolly mammoth. The DNA of original wheat. the oh it's it's it's unimaginable and it's just a fabulous place to be to learn to be educated. I my first book God took me um you could relate to it like um St. Teresa in in the inner rooms and he took me to an inner room, but when I went into the inner room, I wrote on the back of him as the lion of the tribe of Judah. It was the coolest thing. And I I I wrote about it in the book and I went into this inner room and I could see my book, the one that I was writing on a shelf and I wrestled it with it. I I I I wrestled with, oh, if I touch it, if I touch it, if I touch it, if I engage with it, then I can't procrastinate any longer about writing it. And and when I finally had the courage to pull it off the shelf, this is in the book. This is one of my favorite things. I pulled it off the shelf and Jesus said, he goes, "Hand it to And I hand it to him. My book, the literal the the little literal book right there. I hand it to him. He opened up the page and handed it back to me. And I go, "Oh, well, you opened it up to page 93." He sure did. My spirit, you know, I'm writing this down in my journal. He opened it up the encounter page 93. It will be done on July, let me remember, 17th, 2000. Yeah. So, all that and then I closed it up. Okay. Well, am I going to believe what I just encountered? I mean, it's pretty far-fetched, you know. Guess what happened three months later? I was sitting outside and I was go reading through my final edit. My husband's reading through the final edit. I have the the printed from the printer. I have the book printed out on paper. And I'm reading through my final edit before it goes to print. And guess what was on page 93? Do you know how many people had edited and moved my text? And it was on page 93. That was God telling me, "You were actually here. It's living." And all I did is I walked ahead on the timeline and Jesus, I encountered Jesus. But it actually happened. And now I get to tell you about it. And it's written in the book and it actually happened. And I that that actual page, page 93, I gave it to one of my dearest friends. I framed it and gave it to one of my dearest friends as a very valuable treasure because the kingdom of heaven came and it became my encounter became a record on the earth and that record on the earth manifested and that's gone. So isn't that a reason to put your hands up in the air and dance some more and go, "Oh my gosh, did that feel amazing?" Oh yeah. And it just reminds me that he's God. This is the dude that I want to help me with my life because he's able and it helps me to trust him.
1:19:59WanakoI love that story. It's such a great story. Yeah. Thank you for telling us that story. It's very very encouraging to trust the the encounters we have and the the visions or whatever you want to call them these insights into what is in store for us and yeah it's it's not always um it I don't know let's put it this way it is so clear that it has to be true but are you going to also allow that to happen or when will you allow it to happen, right? The curriculum is set, it will happen when okay, will it happen in the in the way it was shown? If it's given so clearly like it was in your case, it probably will happen exactly as you got it. But if if you were not able to see get it that clearly, then you will find out, right? So yeah, it's very very beautiful. So, is there any question I didn't ask you that you would like to answer because I I actually we extended the time that I usually give this. So, let's let's just start wrapping up.
1:21:15KristenUh it it's just been so joy joyful. It's wonderful. Now, I I asked Holy Spirit this morning, is there anything that's on your heart um imagining every person that would listen and and there's one thing that I would say, our words in this time together are alive and can be engaged with if we stepped up into the libraries of heaven, we'd see a record of it of this time. So where whenever you listen, just engage what you feel. If you feel the encouragement, the hope, the joy, just take that, have communion with it. the way that you feel. Have communion with it and eat of him and drink of that new covenant and let it go inside you to to flood you because as we know you and I hanging out that's not happen stance. Holy Spirit divinely invites people to hear to be encouraged. Maybe you were one of those people that asked if God was real today. Or you had this crazy encounter last night that you had no idea was going on until you sat down and Holy Spirit put this podcast in front of you today and you went, "Oh, it kind of sounds like what they were talking about. God is speaking." Thank you so much, Anaka.
1:23:11WanakoYou're very welcome, Kristen. I'm so happy we had this conversation and I hope we'll have further conversations in the future. And thank you everyone for joining us here whenever that is whenever that will be in my point of view if I'm saying from the point in time in which I'm speaking. But this is going to so thankful to you all. and please let other people know about the podcast and if you want to be a guest please reach out to me so that I can schedule that with you and we can have a wonderful conversation as well. So if you have a story or or you want to share a message of of love and hope and certainty of the outcome, please step up and speak to me. And if you're not sure if if you are worthy of speaking, be sure about it. You are. Blessings to you all and till next time.
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SUMMARY: BEYOND THE PHYSICAL—NAVIGATING THE CURRICULUM OF JOY
This guest appearance on the At Home Now Podcast serves as a masterclass in Spiritually BRAVE living. Kristen Wambach moves the conversation from the abstract "Divine" into the tangible, high-frequency reality of a personal relationship with the Trinity. By sharing raw, experiential stories—from vibrating under the power of God in a Texas auditorium to pulling her future book off a library shelf in Heaven—Kristen provides a "safe path" for listeners to engage their own spiritual senses.The core message transcends doctrine: it is an invitation to remember. By acknowledging our needs and giving the Holy Spirit permission to comfort and teach, we move out of the "ego" state of separation and into the "oneness" of our original design. This episode emphasizes that the supernatural is not a distant mystery but a practical, daily walk that begins with a simple "Yes" to the goodness of God.
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GLOBAL SPIRITUAL COACH KRISTEN WAMBACH UNVEILS A "SAFE PATH" TO THE SUPERNATURAL IN UPCOMING BOOK AND PODCAST TOUR CORVALLIS, OR – As the world grows increasingly noisy, acclaimed author, podcaster, and transformation coach Kristen Wambach is providing a roadmap for those yearning for authentic spiritual clarity. Following the completion of her highly anticipated manuscript, How Good is God?, Wambach is stepping into the global spotlight to bridge the gap between heaven and earth through raw storytelling and practical activations. Wambach, the host of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, recently joined the At Home Now Podcast with Wanako Overhuber to discuss the "Curriculum of Joy"—a framework for moving beyond religious duty into a tangible, high-frequency relationship with the Holy Spirit. |
“You can’t ask for information from a person who has no experience,” says Wambach. “My mission is to help people move from feeling empty to recognizing the 'molecular light' of God’s presence in their everyday lives. It’s about remembering who you were before the world told you who to be.”A Strategic Shift in Spiritual Leadership
With 30 years of leadership and 20 years of coaching experience, Wambach is redefining the "Beyond" posture for spiritual content—prioritizing reverence over shock and testimony over doctrine. Her upcoming book launch on April 1, 2026, promises a practical path filled with simple activations that help readers navigate the "Gates" of their own spiritual journey.
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About Kristen Wambach:
Kristen Wambach is an investigative journalist of the spirit, a global authority on relational encounters, and the founder of RabbitrailSupply Company. Based in the Pacific Northwest, she is a trusted Christian voice dedicated to simplifying supernatural experiences and offering essential lifestyle tools for personal development.
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With 30 years of leadership and 20 years of coaching experience, Wambach is redefining the "Beyond" posture for spiritual content—prioritizing reverence over shock and testimony over doctrine. Her upcoming book launch on April 1, 2026, promises a practical path filled with simple activations that help readers navigate the "Gates" of their own spiritual journey.
Key Highlights of Wambach’s Current Tour Include:
- The "Radar" of the Spirit: Practical tools for developing spiritual "peripheral vision" to hear and see God’s guidance.
- The Power of Remembrance: Why documenting spiritual encounters creates a legal record on Earth for future manifestation.
- Spiritually BRAVE Living: Empowering seekers to engage with the Courts of Heaven to shift the internal and external atmosphere of their lives.
About Kristen Wambach:
Kristen Wambach is an investigative journalist of the spirit, a global authority on relational encounters, and the founder of RabbitrailSupply Company. Based in the Pacific Northwest, she is a trusted Christian voice dedicated to simplifying supernatural experiences and offering essential lifestyle tools for personal development.
Media Contact:
[email protected]
KristenWambach.com
