Shifting the Battlefield of the Mind with Jai Roza ❖ 269

God does not need our perfection; He simply wants our genuine invitation to step into the battlefield of our minds.' —Jai Roza

Episode Takeaways

• Recognizing that spiritual warfare is not a reactive panic, but a proactive exercise of choosing God's word over the enemy's lies.
• Understanding how to apply presence of mind to view current struggles from an eternal, kingdom perspective.
• Embracing your current life stage as a learning tutorial, giving yourself the grace to grow in your Oneness with Christ.

THE TUTORIAL FOR ETERNITY.

As a spiritual investigative journalist, I am always seeking the practical keys that bridge heaven and earth. There is a profound transformation that happens when we realize we are not victims of our circumstances, but active participants empowered by the Law of the Spirit of Life. If you have ever felt exhausted by the concept of spiritual warfare, or if the battlefield of the mind has left you feeling defeated, there is a safe path forward. This journey is not about fighting for a victory you do not yet possess; it is about recognizing the finished work of the cross and stepping into the authority of your choices.

SUMMARY

Welcome to the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, a Christian podcast and spiritual awakening podcast for hearing God's voice. In this episode, your host Kristen Wambach, drawing on over 30 years of global ministry experience, sits down with Jai Roza, creator of the Eden's Conflict card game. Together, they explore how to bridge heaven and earth by simplifying the supernatural. Jai shares his incredible journey of surviving profound darkness through a direct Rhema word, revealing how creativity and gaming can help believers tangibly grasp the promises of God. Discover how to exercise your God-given power of choice, adopt a kingdom first mindset, and view your life's challenges as a beautiful, grace-covered tutorial for eternity.

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Kristen Wambach (00:01.416)
Welcome, welcome to Interviewing Jesus podcast. I am your host, Kristin Wambach, with 30 years in ministry. My passion is to find the practical keys that bridge heaven and earth. And I have a treat for you today. I found another one. Simply the supernatural. That's just what we want to know about. Today we have a guest who does exactly that through an incredible creative lens. Jai Rosa, I think I got that—Jai Rosa. I have to get my rolled R in there. A creator of Eden's Conflict card game, music, and gaming. After a powerful encounter with God at his absolute lowest point, Jai turned his darkest moments into a mission to revolutionize...
Jai Roza (00:36.111)
Rossa!
Kristen Wambach (00:56.696)
...how we engage with scripture. We are diving into creativity, transforming the battlefield of the mind and resting in our oneness with Jesus. Welcome, Jai.
Jai Roza (01:10.094)
Kristo, thank you for having me on. I don't think I've had an introduction like that before.
Kristen Wambach (01:15.758)
It'll be good. It'll be good. We were talking, listeners, to this young man and I have a slew of, I have four boys and I looked at him and I go, you could be one of my boys. He's 36 and full of the Holy Spirit. So this is going to be great fun. Jai, many people hear the phrase spiritual warfare...
Jai Roza (01:18.065)
You
Jai Roza (01:30.571)
Hahaha!
Kristen Wambach (01:44.190)
...and immediately feel exhausted. The idea of, go, I got to climb up on my mountain again and do the work. Sometimes it can feel exhausted by the idea of constant fight. But through the lens of Romans 8:2, my favorite, the law of the spirit of life has set us free. How does Eden's conflict help our prayers and players shift from a defensive posture to actually resting in the finished work of the cross?
Jai Roza (02:17.905)
I think we start with understanding that we have a choice to make. And this is where I feel most non-believers, but even a lot of believers, find themselves feeling helpless most of the time. And what we forget to understand about scripture is that scripture gives us choices. Like if Christ never died, it wouldn't matter how good you or I behave or discipline ourselves.
Kristen Wambach (02:32.354)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (02:46.469)
...because we would have never had the freedom to choose God. We would have always still ended up under the imprisonment of death. So it's like, God's whole entirety of scripture is about offering choice and direction. Now, many times we don't know what to do or how to look for these things. So my mission with Eden's conflict is to help create that reminder of choice and that dichotomy of like where I'm going in life. And so the name Eden's conflict, Eden is paradise, there's conflict in paradise. And it all began with a choice. So the whole premise is to bring that mind back to choice and understanding that God has given me choice. Now the question becomes, how do I begin that? Like, where do I start? What choices do I need to make? And I like to use this example. I gave it actually recently when I was preaching was what was Adam's first job? What was Adam's very first job?
Kristen Wambach (03:24.279)
It did.
Kristen Wambach (03:47.000)
To be in relationship with God.
Jai Roza (03:49.361)
Okay, that's part of it. That was part of the relationship. But what was his job specifically? There's a very specific job that God told Adam to do.
Kristen Wambach (04:00.398)
I'm trying to think I go is this before Eve or after Eve? No, it was before I had to go through it was before Eve because... Because Eve it wasn't shored up then that's why she was tempted. So he was supposed to multiply, he's supposed to be fruitful multiply and subdue the earth.
Jai Roza (04:01.602)
Hahaha. This is before Eve. This is before Eve. Yes.
Jai Roza (04:24.059)
Well, that was after Eve because without Eve he couldn't multiply. He couldn't multiply without Eve. So before he got Eve, God did something. I'll remind the story. God brings all the animals to him.
Kristen Wambach (04:25.804)
That's after eight!
Kristen Wambach (04:37.418)
That's right, naming them!
Jai Roza (04:39.255)
Exactly. The act of, is the act of naming? What do you call something that's the, like the process of naming?
Kristen Wambach (04:46.311)
That means your breath comes out and actually frames the identity of the animal.
Jai Roza (04:53.081)
Yes, there's a, but the word I'm thinking of is, and now it just escaped my mind. There's a title for naming things and I'm going to look it up right now.
Jai Roza (05:10.993)
I think it's taxology? No, what's it called?
Kristen Wambach (05:16.332)
Technology?
Jai Roza (05:21.561)
It's gonna bother me now. I had it on the tip of my tongue and it left as soon as I was about to bring it up. It'll come right back to me.
Kristen Wambach (05:26.350)
It'll come right back.
Jai Roza (05:35.857)
I had to look up my sermon notes and be like, where is it? Where is it? One, two, three, four, taxonomy. Taxonomy is the process of classifying and naming entities or titles. So Adam was a taxonomist. That was his very first job. And in the process of executing his work...
Kristen Wambach (05:45.833)
Axonomy.
Kristen Wambach (05:53.582)
Like that, I have never heard that before.
Kristen Wambach (06:04.056)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (06:04.215)
...of naming and beginning to understand the world around him, he realized that there wasn't a help made for him. He realized he was missing something. And so this is what I say with people is like, if you want to figure out where you're going or what choices you need to make, you need to start understanding the world around you and start being able to classify the things that are going on in your life. And when you do that, you'll be able to see the places that stuff is missing or falling short. And now...
Kristen Wambach (06:07.936)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (06:13.496)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (06:32.622)
...you start to see the places that you need God, that you need his help, that you need his direction, you need his guidance. Now, for some of us that might feel easy because we're like, well, I need his guidance for everything. I feel lost in life. I feel like I don't know what I'm doing. I wake up and I'm just existing. And it's like, okay, but do you know how to name the specific struggles you're going through? Like, are you depressed? Are you angry? Are you struggling with lust? It's like, are you able to name? Not only the sin, but the moments in which the sin arises, or the desire for the sin arises, or the thought process arises. Are you able to start understanding your world and saying, when I do these habits, this pattern follows? Because now you're starting to build out a mental structure, a mental framework of the world around you. And now you can start to see where I need to invite God and where I need to help God, where I need to make the choice. Like, does the choice happen when...
Kristen Wambach (07:20.140)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (07:30.479)
...I'm standing at the grocery store and I see the option to buy alcohol that I know I shouldn't buy. It's like, or does the choice happen before I even enter the aisle to be like, I should just avoid that aisle entirely. Or maybe I should go to a different store, like so that I'm not familiar with where I would go for my old habits. Understanding that it's like choice begins at different levels and that I, as a created human being in God's image, have the ability to make choices is one of the most empowering things that the enemy doesn't want you to know.
Kristen Wambach (07:46.605)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (08:00.975)
Because if you understand that you have a choice to make, all of a sudden you can start choosing to believe God's word in the moments where the enemy is telling you a lie. Where he's telling you, you can't change this sin. You can't break from this addiction. You can't overcome this struggle. You can't do these things. You will never be free. You are, are blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, and now you start realizing, wait, I have choices. Who are you to tell me what I can and can't do?
Kristen Wambach (08:29.036)
That's right.
Jai Roza (08:29.893)
Like God is the only one who decides, literally he speaks and the world comes into existence. And so how can I let that voice, that creative power speak in my life? Well, I can begin to choose to let it in, not just through prayer and invitation, but I can begin to choose to recite, to exercise, to echo the voice of creation with my own voice so that my world is recreated in his image. And learning to intentionally...
Kristen Wambach (08:35.562)
Huh.
Kristen Wambach (08:51.682)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (08:59.771)
...dig through scripture and be like, this verse, this is my verse. This passage, this is my passage. And it doesn't matter what the world says or what Satan tells me or even what my own voice tells me because Satan can imitate your voice. And a lot of times temptation will come across as if it's my own thoughts when really it's the enemy speaking in my own voice. And he can imitate an angel of light. He can imitate you. So don't assume that just because you hear yourself thinking something, that that's genuinely what you want. Because that's that war within the self where you're like, I know what I want, but the flesh wants something else. This is the place where God is bringing our attention and he's saying, who will you believe? My words that call you free, born again, saved, or the enemy's words that say, you're struggling with this, you're addicted to this, you can't overcome this, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. And it's like, if I don't realize that I have choice, then it doesn't matter what the options are because I'm not even able to utilize them. And now I'm just pushed by the influence. And so this is why we say we're trying to teach people to be proactive rather than reactive. Many Christians live a reactive faith, which is God protect me from all bad things. God, a bad thing is happening. What do I do? How do I handle with this? Like I wasn't expecting this, you know. It's like rather than being like God, thank you for...
Kristen Wambach (10:14.766)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (10:27.081)
...giving me the opportunity to exist today so that I can praise your name in whatever comes my way. And now when a good thing comes up, thank you God. I thank you so much for the opportunity to have this blessing. And when a bad thing comes up, thank you God, because I'm glad that it was me that this happened to and not somebody else who doesn't know how to handle it. Because it's not me, it's Him. So choice and having that ability to understand when and how to make choice is completely...
Kristen Wambach (10:30.968)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (10:56.165)
...the gift that God gave us. That's why Christ died. And that's what we want to teach people with Eden's conflict. So everything we're doing is what I say, we're trying to create transformation through creative expression. So how can we take the deep knowledge of scripture and create a unique or expressive way that reminds me of that key principle? Whether it be in the clothes that you wear or in the music you listen to or in the stories you tell or in the games you play...
Kristen Wambach (11:17.762)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (11:26.007)
All of these things are little choices that we can implement. We can bring more of God into and begin to affect our lives in a positive way. Because it's not us. We're just allowing that creative voice to speak to us more. And we're choosing where to let Him in.
Jai Roza (11:47.409)
I see the mind, the mind is reeling, it's thinking.
Kristen Wambach (11:47.513)
Cool. Yeah. Well, because you put it, I love the way that you classified it. You used a different verbiage. And so I'm thinking I'm running through your verbiage because it's same word, same perspective, but different verbiage. Different. And I'm going, this is really good. God. So would you take us a little bit in your history here? It says you mentioned that God spoke to you through an unexpected phone call when you were absolute at the lowest point. And we talk a lot about the difference between the Logos mind and the Rhema mind. Obviously you have experienced that because you're creating and you're creating the things that come out of you actually come from that Rhema. But we had to learn how to separate our thoughts, how to learn to hear God and how he breathed into us. So how did God speaking to you bring forth that course corrects to where your choices changed?
Jai Roza (13:05.883)
So it all began, well, it began a lot earlier than that. It began when I was a child. And at eight years old, I was molested. And it was something that was hidden from my family. It was hidden from everybody around me. And I bore this self-awareness. I literally remember the next day being more self-aware because I'm nervous that someone's gonna find out what happened.
Kristen Wambach (13:12.824)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (13:33.504)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (13:33.905)
And so it was this immediate sense of like awareness. And that gradually led me to questioning my faith, questioning God, like trusting people. I had a very hard time trusting people growing up. And eventually by a combination of that, becoming addicted to pornography at like 11 or 12, starting to practice Eastern meditation and Eastern philosophy.
Kristen Wambach (13:46.990)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (14:02.469)
Called myself a New Age Christian at first, then started practicing just more New Age in general, began to have communion with voices and spirits that later I realized were not from God. But in my mind, God was just a universal person. So it's just the universe speaking to me. And it's like, they're just telling me things that are good for me until they get to the point where it's like, do what they say or else. Like, do what they say or we're going to keep you awake for days on end.
Kristen Wambach (14:07.374)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (14:15.554)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (14:27.767)
Mm.
Jai Roza (14:31.567)
And they would. So it was like by 17 going like probably two months before my 18th birthday, I had had enough. I was like, I feel like a terrible person. I'm struggling with severe depression. I'm struggling with addiction. I am failing high school. I ended up dropping out. It was like I had no purpose in life. And in my mind, I was like, I'm going nowhere and I can't even control my sleep. Like I don't even get to sleep anymore because unless I do what the voices say, they'll punish me physically for not obeying them. So it's like, how do I make any choice? I have no choices here. I can choose to end my life. At 17 and a half, I was like, I can choose to end my life. I'm going to do that. Like that, that was my decision. And I was confident in it enough where I began to sit on my couch and I was like, okay, am I going to write a note? Remember I'm failing high school. My...
Kristen Wambach (15:13.102)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (15:28.337)
...educational level, I was like, do I want a sad note of my pathetic writing and like verbiage to be the last thing people remember of me or do I like better to just end it and not let anybody know anything? And so I'm there planning my suicide, how I was going to take my life that night. And this is about 12:30 at night, when all of a sudden my phone rings. Now I had reconnected with a friend who had moved away years before. MySpace was popping up and becoming a thing, social media was becoming a thing. So we had...
Kristen Wambach (15:56.622)
You
Jai Roza (15:57.677)
...reconnected. Like this type of thing didn't exist before. That's how old I am. So, I'm ancient. So, this friend and I had reconnected and they were also in high school. They were going through their own struggles and we had kind of sympathized. They're in another state and we reconnected over our sympathy of depression and struggle and like, you know, kind of emo kid like...
Kristen Wambach (16:01.294)
you
Jai Roza (16:26.289)
...life is so hard, blah, blah, blah. Now they knew that I grew up a believer, we had both grown up believers, they were still practicing to a degree because their father was a pastor. But they had their own traumas, they had their own struggles. And they call me and it's 12:30 at night my time and they say, what are you doing right now? I just got out of a Bible study and felt like I had to call you. Now, my options here are the fact that I know that they don't have anybody else's number in my family. I know that they don't know where I live because I had moved. I know that they can't do anything to stop what I'm about to do. So why not be honest? Because it's not like they could stop me. And so I tell them, I was like, I'm planning to take my life. Like, just plain and simple. Now, looking back on it, that's messed up because it's like, if you were that teenager who called on a whim, under an oppression and then like your friend ended up taking their life, it's like you would be messed up for years after that. Or if you had decided not to call, it's late and I'm not going to bother them right now. And I wasn't there the next day. It was like they would have been messed up. Like that would have been messed up. And that's the enemy's goal is like he just wants to create chaos and pain. And so but in that moment, they start praying and they start claiming scripture.
Kristen Wambach (17:41.069)
you
Jai Roza (17:53.123)
...and they start reminding me of the promises of scripture only on what they believe not on why I should believe it not on how I used to believe it but why they choose to believe what the words of scripture say. Now picture this. I am at this point just not sleeping properly. I'm partially delusional probably. But I've also been exercising like communing with the spirits where they're teaching me how to see the spiritual realm.
Kristen Wambach (18:06.307)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (18:22.531)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (18:22.937)
And so that's part of the meditation that I would do is learning to open my third eye quote unquote and see the spiritual realm. And that was one of the things that drove me to my decision because the spiritual world was just utter black disgustingness. And I was like, I don't want anything to do. I don't want to exist in a world where this exists. And so in that moment, as they're speaking, I'm looking and I open my eyes and I'm seeing the spiritual world around me.
Kristen Wambach (18:36.750)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (18:51.363)
...and I see the entire pitch blackness just light up for like a second. And I was like, like, like the best way I can describe it is if you've been in utter blackness and someone took a flashlight and clicked it in front of your eyes. And your eyes don't adjust. You don't now see everything in clarity and be like, there was that light. Now I can see. No, but you're aware of something else. And that's all it took was...
Kristen Wambach (19:18.306)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (19:21.135)
...God's making his awareness to my mind and I didn't even realize that it was the God of the Bible yet. I'm still thinking the universe, some ancient spirit in the universe beheld me and told this person to do this so they could like send a glimmer of themselves to me. And so in my mind I was like, I can always choose suicide, I can't always choose to figure out what that light was.
Kristen Wambach (19:32.088)
Ha
Jai Roza (19:49.551)
And maybe I could, you know, my mind is a mixture of Christian beliefs and New Age beliefs. I was like, well, maybe if I do take my life, I'll just reincarnate in a higher dimension and see that thing. But there was that struggle for a bit, but I was like, no, let's play it safe. Let's just hold out on the suicide a little bit more. That's always an option, but let's see if we can't figure out what that light came from. And from that point on, for the next few months, I noticed that the Bible in the house began to have a gentle glow to it, like as if there was a light radiating off of it. And I was like, huh, well, that's new. And I would ask other people that I knew who were kind of practicing what I was practicing. I was like, yo, I wouldn't tell them it's a Bible. I was like, do you see any light, any aura on this book? You know, can you see it? And they're like, no, I don't see anything. And...
Kristen Wambach (20:44.784)
Jai Roza (20:45.507)
And it was like, so God was using the things that I was willing to look to, to like genuinely seek him. And this is the part that I try and instruct people is like, where are you genuinely looking for God? Because he will direct you. He will guide you. And, you know, I don't tell people it's like start reading energies, start practicing mantras, start like learning to open your third eye. I'm like, no, avoid all of that. Like the plague, you don't need that. All you need is the Holy spirit. And he shows up to those who are genuinely wanting him. But you have to learn to give that invitation first. Like God gives you an invitation to come to him. The only way you accept the invitation is by giving him an invitation to come to you. So it's this shared invitation both ways that we don't think about. Most of the time when we think of God and we're like, God, give me this, give me that, do this, do that. But we don't think of it as like an invitation to say, God, I invite you into this person's life, into this...
Kristen Wambach (21:19.384)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (21:43.886)
...situation in my work into this emotional internal turmoil because that's how he works. He only works through invitation. But where are we asking? Like we're not asking him to come in. We're just so often being like, God, do these things. Change this person. Stop that thing from happening. And he's like, well, maybe you should just invite me into that space and let me work.
Kristen Wambach (22:05.838)
you
Jai Roza (22:11.951)
Because I have a thousand ways to do things that you don't know anything about. So, yeah, that night was the moment where it was like, I just started sleeping with my Bible because it at least kept the voices away. Like they couldn't approach me if I was holding on to the book. And it was muted enough that I could sleep. And for months after that, I would fall asleep clutching my Bible. And then it started beginning, well, maybe I should read this book. I was using it like a totem, like a little object.
Kristen Wambach (22:27.054)
Mm.
Jai Roza (22:41.451)
And it was like, like, good luck charm. And I was like, maybe I should actually like open it up and read. And again, my reading was terrible. But I began to try and then my family had happened to have, they worked at a Christian bookstore and they happened to get a Bible on CD. And it was a huge case of like CD after CD after CD. It was like probably 50 or 60 CDs. And so I would be listening to that and following along like reading the words and as the CDs reading it out. And that was part of it. And eventually I was like, I could only go to sleep if the CD was playing, like the Bible was playing, then I could, I could sleep peacefully. So God began to teach me like to listen to the words and to let the word speak where I'm not trying to force it into something. I'm not trying to bend it or study it out to the point where it's like, I have to analyze and be able to explain and break down. It's like, I'm just learning to absorb it.
Kristen Wambach (23:40.760)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (23:41.081)
...in the same way that it's like, you know, an athlete needs to eat and sometimes you need to just enjoy a good meal. So one is like, I'm just eating this because I have to. The other is like, I'm choosing to indulge in the flavor, the taste, the profile of the word and letting my mind have that time to just sit and consume it. And that's what biblical meditation is like. Meditation is not a bad word.
Kristen Wambach (24:07.554)
Mm-mm.
Jai Roza (24:07.983)
In the same way, spiritual warfare is not a bad word, although a lot of times we hear it and we think struggle, fear, chaos, maybe possession, demons, you know, I don't know that I want to think about or deal with that. Like we tend to distance ourselves. And the reality is it's like, well, we live in that we are experiencing that we are part, at least part spiritual beings, because we have a spirit and we have a physical body. So part of us exists in that world already. But most of us live in a reactive state rather than a proactive state that says, okay, how do I practically put on the armor of God? How do I format my mind in a way where the checkpoints of ideas that come in have to go through God's word first before I actually indulge in pursuing that thought process? And we do that by learning to see the world through the lens of the scripture. But if I don't read the scriptures, I can't see anything.
Kristen Wambach (25:05.654)
You're going to love this next question.
Jai Roza (25:07.914)
Kristen Wambach (25:09.848)
Bridging heaven to earth requires us to actively engage our spiritual senses. So a little bit about me. I struggled with dyslexia until I was 30. So grammar school that was just pain. Just it was just painful and Holy Spirit came in on the scene made all those changes then dyslexia was healed and went away, which is...
Jai Roza (25:27.225)
Mm-hmm. Yep.
Kristen Wambach (25:39.562)
...and today I consider myself a writer. Second book just about ready there. So I understand and then at little after 30 he opened my spiritual eyes and then it's like oh This is different and okay. We're back in kindergarten again So I do understand people go aren't you afraid of all this stuff and I go I don't focus there.
Jai Roza (25:46.415)
Hahaha!
Jai Roza (26:01.689)
Hahaha
Jai Roza (26:08.357)
Yeah. Yeah.
Kristen Wambach (26:10.472)
I don't focus there. I could focus there, but I don't focus there. So you get to see all that cool stuff that's in the light, right? So engaging our spiritual senses. How does physically holding the promises of God, say for instance, in your card game, because promises are written and all what you've done creatively is you've made it connected, kinetic so that it's something that is tangible and touchable.
Jai Roza (26:34.661)
Yeah.
Kristen Wambach (26:39.150)
How does that help players practice that quantum thinking, that creative thinking that you're moving structures just like God, moving sound, frequency, and light to change the realities around you?
Jai Roza (26:56.813)
It does it by understanding, going back a little bit to choice, that creativity involves action. And that action can be played out in many different ways. So I can speak it, I can read it, I can write it, I can hold it, I can look at it. All of these things are different actions that anyone can perform, or most people can perform. If you've got something that's blind, you can't see it. But there is a level of...
Kristen Wambach (27:01.368)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (27:05.314)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (27:26.349)
...of exercise of will. And this is the part that even I'm still working on fully mapping out this story. I wanna do a sermon or a talk on what the exercise of will looks like. Because that is the most basic thing. Like an infant child learns to exercise their will by crying out. And that's all they can do. Then they gradually learn to grasp things. They're exercising their will.
Kristen Wambach (27:49.080)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (27:52.696)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (27:55.383)
...everything we do is an exercise of will. In fact, we honor will so much that when someone dies, we look at their will. What was the last thing they desired for us to do on their behalf? So the exercise of will is something that all of us can practice. And the board game or the card game, I should say, is a form of exercising that choice, exercising will, where if I have a scripture card on my battlefield, quote unquote, and it's kind of weak, the points are a little low, and the temptations are stacking up, they're getting a little high. How can I counteract that? Well, I could do two things. One, I could play the scripture that cancels out the temptation, because with every temptation, there is a way of escape. Not there might be, there could be, no, there is. So I have to first choose to believe that there is no situation that the enemy can present to me that God does not have accounted to. So that's the first exercise of Will is choice. I'm believing the choice.
Kristen Wambach (28:38.582)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (28:52.938)
Yeah, I'm gonna ask you a favor. Would you say that again, please?
Jai Roza (28:54.385)
Yeah. Okay, the exercise will or the exercise choice? That whole situation. That whole belief.
Kristen Wambach (29:03.490)
That that that you you had a whole phrase in there that is going okay We need to come back around and we need to hear that again
Jai Roza (29:11.353)
Okay, okay. The choice to believe is your first way of exercising your will towards God. Like to bring your will into alignment with God's will is choosing and he says, choose you this day who you will serve. Choose to believe. The choice comes, it even says choose to put away your sins. It's like, well, wait, if my sin is something I struggle with, I don't know how to put it away. But God is saying, no, put it away.
Kristen Wambach (29:15.138)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (29:40.429)
If he's saying put it away, that means I have exercise and I have authority over it that I'm not exercising. And the only way I can begin to exercise that is by choosing to believe that I have a choice to make, that I can exercise my will over these things and say, I'm not going to do this anymore. I'm not going to this way anymore. And that's what the enemy doesn't want you to know is if you believe that you have choice, he can't manipulate you as easily because otherwise he only has his lies to hold up. So we are learning through the card game. We are learning to exercise will either by playing the correct scripture that cancels out the temptation or by reciting the card itself. I literally hand it off to a teammate and I recite the words on the card and it doubles the scripture. It doubles the points of the card. Now the game is written in a way where the rules are about teaching you the rules of spiritual warfare. Very introductory. And one of these rules, this exercise of being able to recite the card is to say that scripture you read is good, scripture you memorize is twice as powerful. Because we're learning the principle that what's in here, the Holy Spirit just has to trigger. What's written down, He has to then trigger and then get me to move and then get me to open and get me to read and get me to like, like there are so many more steps for the Spirit to convict me of in order to then try and bring out that promise back to memory.
Kristen Wambach (30:48.941)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (31:04.687)
...versus anything that's in here, the scripture can now bring back. Anything that will trigger that thought. And I learned to put flags or markers on when to trigger the thought that seeks the guidance of scripture. And this is that mindset when Paul is saying pray constantly. He's not saying sit on your knees or be on your knees all day, never leave that space. He's saying be in a mindset, a meditative mindset that is constantly engaging. Weighing the choices you're making between what your understanding is, between what the world is telling you, and between what God's Word says. And as you're doing that, now you're having this communion with the two, now you're in this meditative prayerful mindset, and now you are living in a prayer mindset. Always. So, this is the point, and I love that you brought up, like learning to see the spiritual world isn't something that I would suggest for most people. But if God reveals it to you, it's because He's teaching you how to keep your eye on Him. And the more you keep your eye on Him, you don't have anything to fear. Peter walked on water until he'd look away from Christ. So that's the premise is that it's like most people are afraid of the spiritual world. You don't have to be afraid of it, but you don't need to go looking for it. So long as your eye is on Christ, God will reveal what you need to know and what you need to see.
Kristen Wambach (32:29.400)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (32:30.617)
And for some of us that may be, you know, hey, this person here needs help. For others, it'll be, hey, I can see something here that's like, this is just telling me go this way. Like there's something here that the spirit is telling me I need to do this. And for others, it's like, I feel like blind luck. Like I just happened to do this thing and it worked out. And it's like, that's fine either way. What matters is that in all of those situations, each person has their internal mind set on Christ.
Kristen Wambach (32:59.117)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (32:59.449)
And they're constantly looking and checking in and saying, where is this in relation to Him? Where is this thought in relation to God? And this is the premise I try and teach this with is what I call a Kingdom First Mindset. So here's a brief exercise. And this ties into a skill set, is presence of mind. Now, presence of mind just means the ability to examine your own thoughts while you're going through them. So it's like, if I'm feeling an emotion and I'm feeling angry, and I'm thinking about why am I feeling angry? That is the exercise of presence of mind. So we'll do a little exercise that does presence of mind. So do you remember a time where you got hurt as a child? Okay. Do you remember maybe it was something you did? Do you remember how much it hurt?
Kristen Wambach (33:31.950)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (33:38.434)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (33:44.846)
Hmm.
Jai Roza (33:45.655)
No. Okay. So see that right there is already telling you that it's like, I know I went through pain, but the pain is right now. It's not there. Like you're, you're aware of it. It existed, but you're not in that space where it exists anymore. Are you going through struggles today on any level? Sure.
Kristen Wambach (34:04.280)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (34:05.955)
All of us are. We all have pains. We all have... I wake up in the morning and I was like, my back is not moving the way it used to. Like, there is always something that's going on right now that it's like, this is uncomfortable. Do you think you tomorrow will still worry about the problems you have today? Probably not. Let's go further. A year from now, even less. Ten years from now? Definitely. Probably forgotten whatever it was. Like, you forgot what that pain felt like as a child. It's like, you're not even gonna remember what the pains of today were like.
Kristen Wambach (34:21.154)
Mm-mm.
Jai Roza (34:35.409)
What about 20 years, 30 years, 50 years, whatever it is, what about you on your last day of life? What does you on your last day of life have to say about the struggles you're going through today? They don't care. They are facing a problem that is bigger than anything else they've had to face. Now, what would they give up to be back where you are today? Everything. Because they would give them opportunity to do it again, or to learn or to do something better. Now this, if you're in the world, this is where your presence of mind ends. You can always look at your life from the day, from you on your last day of life and be like, well, there is no, whatever I'm facing today is not as bad as what I will face on my last day of life. And you'll get some benefit out of that. But that's as far as you go. Now to the believer who has the hope and promise of going into eternity to spend it with Christ. They get to see themselves now. You're standing before the throne of God. You have gone through translation. Sin is no more. Death is no more. Suffering is no more. You're walking on streets of gold and you're standing with a congregation of billions who are looking up into the face of the one person who made it possible for us to be there. Now what does that person have to say about your struggles today? Who cares? But not because they're facing a new set of problems, but because they're like, look at where I am. Look at who we're with. Look at the face of the one that we have been looking for all these years. And now I get to see it face to face. Now this is what I say, this is a Kingdom First mindset. When you can go through today's problems from that person's perspective, from your Kingdom Person perspective, all of a sudden you're like, why am I worried about this job? Why am I worried about this thing? Why am I worried about how this one situation works out? No, I got injured today. Well, like I'm already mentally existing in eternity with my father in heaven.
Kristen Wambach (36:28.526)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (36:54.127)
And what I forget, it was like a quote that I heard somewhere and I've kind of adapted it to my own saying, but it's that all of us enter into eternity one way or another, some sooner than others, either because we die or because we begin to live today as if we're already living in eternity. So you'll look back on today as the day you started living your life, your eternal life. And that's part of what having a kingdom first mindset is. That's presence of mind to be able to examine this moment from a perspective beyond the reach of whatever struggle I'm going through. And only the believer can do that from the kingdom where there is no more sin or no more pain or no more suffering anymore. So it's not that I'm not experiencing the pain, but it's that now this cognitive energy, this mental thought process is examining it from a perspective that in my mind already exists. I'm already there. And that's where we can begin to practically practice and exercise that freedom of choice, that exercise of will, to see that, to engage in that. And that is a God-given ability because animals can't do that. They can't see their lives from a different perspective. But humans can.
Kristen Wambach (38:09.472)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (38:28.234)
Okay I'm just I'm just I'm just doing some thinking here, which is which is good Which is good to do thing it and I absolutely love the way you put that that's excellent Excellent. Yes excellent. I loved how you broke down the presence of mind You strategically broke that down in a very applicable way is wonderful
Jai Roza (38:29.201)
Hahaha
Kristen Wambach (38:59.096)
That's what I've been paying attention to, your different kind of application and strategy. Went, this is fun. This is different. Yay. Yay. So, Jai, how can our listeners connect with you and your creative resources?
Jai Roza (39:18.693)
You can find us at edensconflict.com. That's the main website where we host everything on there.
Kristen Wambach (39:24.442)
You said that kind of quick. That's Eden's conflict.
Jai Roza (39:27.089)
Eden's Conflict, Eden with an S, conflict.com. And we also have social media. So Instagram is Eden's Conflict. I have X and LinkedIn for Jai Rosa. I have an Instagram as well for my name, but I don't post very much on there and it's very experimental. So you can follow me there if you want to message me or reach out. But that is a very experimenting with different concepts or expressing things.
Kristen Wambach (39:38.798)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (39:56.997)
That's also where I like to post parts of the clips of the podcast that go on. Yeah, either Eden's conflicts on Instagram or on the website or myself through LinkedIn or X or Instagram as well.
Kristen Wambach (39:57.058)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (40:12.702)
And you do music and do gaming too?
Jai Roza (40:18.999)
Yeah, so we're working on, we have the physical card game, which is our flagship product. I spent seven years developing that. And then now we're making music and we're using, now some people hate it, love it. We use AI for our music, because I'm not a musician. I write the lyrics and I was doing poetry before, long before this. So a lot of the songs I pull out of my poetry and, or I'll come up with something and I want to write a song around it.
Kristen Wambach (40:22.860)
Yes.
Jai Roza (40:44.719)
But the goal of it is to make a tool, right? Like everything is a tool. The game is a tool. The music is a tool. The shirts we make are tools. And the goal is to create flags, reminders of the word of God. So for us, it's like, if you're learning the game, you're playing the game, you're reciting scripture, good, that's one way to learn scripture. In the music, we write the chorus first, and we take it from scripture.
Kristen Wambach (40:49.550)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (41:07.950)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (41:10.011)
So we either put the direct scripture verse into the chorus and write the song around that, or we adapt it a little bit to really hone in on the message of the verse. Because sometimes they don't always fit lyrically. So we write that in and the idea is that everybody remembers the chorus of a song. So if you're remembering the chorus of the song and we make the chorus scripture, then what are you learning? You're learning scripture. And so now you're passively reminding scripture. And I've literally had moments where I felt tempted...
Kristen Wambach (41:20.270)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (41:25.955)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (41:34.094)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (41:39.441)
...or I've known that I'm doing something that I shouldn't, and a song will start playing at the back of my head, and it's the chorus of the song that is directly counteracting, directly calling out what I'm doing in the moment. And so it's like to us, it's like, okay, how can we create resources and tools for people? I joke about it and I say, if this is spiritual warfare, my goal is to become a spiritual arms dealer. Like I am just constantly making weaponry that others can like utilize and apply and...
Kristen Wambach (41:44.492)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (42:08.547)
...and equip themselves to be proactive in their faith rather than reactive. Because when your mind is focused and Christ is saying meditate on me, think on me, focus on me, it's like the enemy can't touch you there. Not that he can't hurt you, not that he can't hit you, but he can't touch you in the way that we saw Stephen get stoned. And he's talking about how he's able to see the spiritual world, see God standing by his throne. And so it's like...
Kristen Wambach (42:21.932)
Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (42:36.398)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (42:37.829)
That's the mindset that we want. And then it says God put him to sleep. It doesn't say they killed him. It says God put him to rest. So when your mind is so focused on God, you are able to have those experiences where even if you've ever read the book Fox's Book of Martyrs, it talks about the martyrs who were killed during the Christian persecutions in the dark ages. And they were singing hymns while burning at the flame. And it's like, where do you get that mindset?
Kristen Wambach (42:42.286)
Mm.
Jai Roza (43:07.665)
That's not you. Like that is a divine imposed mindset. And this is why I love what Christ says in John 17, where he's like praying to the Father and he's like, let them be in me as I am in you. Like, let us be one. The invitation that God is having is not just an invitation, hey, come up to heaven. We've got the angels, we've got, you know, fields of fruit and we've got all of these benefits. He's saying, come up into the personal intimate mental space between the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. Like you will see us in our unabridged, unhidden form as you learn to focus your attention on us in a way that even the angels can't see. Not because they don't see him face to face, but they don't know what it's like to see him from the perspective of a sinner. And that is a uniquely, that is a unique human experience because...
Kristen Wambach (43:47.406)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (44:04.133)
We're getting to see God from the perspective of one who doesn't deserve to see Him out.
Kristen Wambach (44:11.926)
I love it. That's great. Great. Would you lead us as we wrap up here and you've given us so much creative thought in our heads and we just want to stir it in our hearts today and lead the listeners with an activation, a way to immediately step into some of the things that you just discussed, would you do that for us?
Jai Roza (44:46.917)
Yeah, I would say to those who are listening and you're thinking like, I'm uncertain of where to begin. Begin to make a choice to follow God wherever you are. And if you don't know how to do that, but you understand that you have to somehow interact with this thing we call will, this force of will, this desire of choice of the heart. And you're like, I don't even know how to surrender this to God because I know that I can say it, but I also feel myself still desiring the things of this world. Then come to God with this. I'm willing to be made willing. Like become the father who went to Christ and said, if you can do anything, and Christ is like, if you believe, he says, help my unbelief. Like give God the very thing that you know is directly resisting him and let him do with it as he wills. In a way where you're like, I genuinely surrender this to you. Like you can't honor God with your sin, but you can honor God in your sin by choosing to repent. Pre-sin, during sin, after sin, it doesn't matter where you are, the direction to God is always up. And so what I tell people, and I stole this from Jordan Peterson, is what is the highest level of good that you can envision and make that your goal? And when you fall short, aim upwards for God. Because however high you think you can go...
Kristen Wambach (45:59.085)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (46:25.499)
...God's standard is so much higher. And that's where he says, will be the one to bring you up. When Peter took his eyes off of Christ, he began to sink. But when he called out to Christ, Christ immediately grabbed his hand and pulled him up. So don't be afraid to be honest with God about who you are in your complete unworthiness of wherever you are.
Kristen Wambach (46:35.758)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (46:52.077)
...or whatever minor thing you think, this isn't necessary for God's attention. Give it up to Him first, then not worry yourself with it. Because He wants an invitation to come into your life. He wants the invitation to come into your heart. He wants it into your eyes. He wants it into your family. He wants it into your work. He wants it into everything. But you have to learn to be able to captivate and Scripture tells us, take every mind into captivity. You have to be able to captivate an idea and then give that idea over to Him and say, God, here, this is yours. I'm inviting you into it. I'm inviting you to take it from me. I'm inviting you to do this. And when I rebel, I'm going to invite you again. For years, I was unrepentant. And this is what the spirits were telling me after I learned to come to Christ. For years, they told me, you can't fully return to God. You tried to commit the unpardonable sin. Twice. You intentionally sought to cut yourself off on a spiritual level from God forever. So you will always have to struggle. And I believe that for years. But even in those struggles, I made it my purpose that it's like, if I have to struggle, that I'm choosing to return to God. If one day I am burned for my sin, because I was rebellious and unrepentant, that I will have at least have a life where I chose to try aiming upward in spite of all of the times where I went down. And it's like that became my focus and mission. And then God worked with me where I was at on that space. And then He began to lift me up, lift my attention up, lift my eyes up, bring my awareness to things that I was willfully indulging in that I could choose to turn away so that I would allow more of Him and less of me. And that is what the invitation is that God wants to have for you. I'll end on this verse here. The passage in Revelations 22, verse 4, last book of the Bible says, shall see his face and his name shall be on their foreheads. The forehead is the place right here, frontal lobe is my place of choice and power of choice. When I choose to make Christ my vision, my sight, my fort, like everything I'm aiming for is, is this in alignment, it's aiming for Christ? Then I will begin to have his name on my mind. And that is where he is now working in me. It's no longer me.
Jai Roza (49:18.031)
It's him in me. I am a dyslexic, post addict, ADHD, hardcore introvert who is building a company around teaching others about the power of God's word. And I'm like, this is not me. I would have nothing to do with this like motivation or direction. I shouldn't even be alive. But this is God. And you have nothing to fear from the future except that you forget how God has led you in the past. So make it your mission. Remember God. Look at him wherever you can and he will be the one to transform your life. And stop worrying about what you can and can't do. And I know I said I'll end on this. I will end on this exact thought. Because I like to bring it back to gaming. I'm a gamer at heart. I still play a lot of games. And I talk to young people and like think of it in this way. In a video game, you usually have a tutorial where you're learning, right?
Kristen Wambach (50:01.709)
Ha!
Jai Roza (50:16.310)
The first level is like, you're meant to learn. Learn how to play the game. And I tell people, do you get angry in the tutorial? Do you give up on a game because you messed up in the tutorial? They're like, well, no, that'd be silly. Like the tutorial is for you to learn how to actually play the game. And a lot of us will look at life and be like, I've messed up too much in life that God can't help me here. Or I don't know, he'll never be able to reach me where I'm at. Until we enter into eternity, we haven't even begun to live. So the idea that you've messed up life means you're still in the tutorial. So rather than worrying about life, start looking at this life. If you're still here, you're listening to this, you're in the tutorial of eternity. Learn to play the tutorial. And when you mess up, get up and do it again. Because it's a tutorial. You're here to learn so that you can know how to live for eternity. But you're not in eternity yet. But you can master the principles, the rules, the lessons before the game even begins. So that when the actual eternity starts, when we've gone through translation and we're now physically caught up to our mental state in the kingdom, now we're actually playing the game and you're ready to go with an advantage where other people are showing up and be like, this is where we're at?
Kristen Wambach (51:49.025)
Mm-hmm.
Jai Roza (51:52.145)
Okay, now I'm
Kristen Wambach (51:53.783)
I'm sure. Are you sure preachers always have second and third closing, right?
Jai Roza (52:02.441)
I'm a laity, I'm not a preacher, so no excuses for why other laity can't be doing stuff.
Kristen Wambach (52:07.342)
There were a couple of labels in there that I might sit down and say I Don't think I gave you that and that would be one of...
Jai Roza (52:18.427)
The tutorial or the preacher?
Kristen Wambach (52:20.814)
...when you refer to yourself in laity.
Jai Roza (52:23.957)
Laity. I'm technically laity. I'm verbally whatever God makes me.
Kristen Wambach (52:26.508)
Yeah. Yeah.
Kristen Wambach (52:33.006)
You're in the process of remembering who you are.
Jai Roza (52:40.815)
And it's all who he is. It's learning to see him and remember him.
Kristen Wambach (52:42.190)
Yes, yay. Thank you so much for sharing your passion with us.
Jai Roza (52:52.379)
Thank you. Thank you for having me on. I know this will go places that even you and I can't imagine.
Kristen Wambach (52:56.942)
God is good that way. He is so good. So thank you very much for joining us.
Jai Roza (53:01.943)
Amen. Amen. Kristen, thank you for having me on.

If we find ourselves with a desire that nothing in this world can satisfy, the most probable explanation is that we were made for another world.' - C.S. Lewis

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THE POWER OF ACTIVE CHOICE.

What is so captivating about Jai's approach is how it demystifies the supernatural. Often, we get tangled in religious striving, trying to earn our way out of a struggle. But as we see through Jai's life, God simply wants our invitation. When we operate from a place of Sonship, we realize that scripture gives us choices. From the very beginning, when Adam was tasked with naming the animals—a process of taxonomy and exercising his will—humanity was designed to creatively partner with God. We are meant to look at the situations in our lives, classify them, and intentionally choose to invite the Lord into those spaces.

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​Jai is the creative mind behind the Eden’s Conflict card game and the founder of Eden’s Conflict LLC. Originally started as a side project in the fall of 2016, Eden’s Conflict has evolved into his full-time work. With the mission to inspire a generation to take charge of their lives through creativity, skills and abilities provided in God’s word. ​

Eden’s Conflict extends beyond pure entertainment; it aims to revolutionize the way people engage with scripture. This includes innovative teaching tools such as games, music, practical lessons, and more. Jai continues to seek new and compelling ways to make discovering scripture accessible and engaging. “I hope inspire others to have their own transformative journey. There are two truths I’ve learned since starting down this path. Happiness is a choice, not a feeling, and only those who choose love can find happiness.

PRACTICING QUANTUM THINKING.

This episode provides a practical path with raw stories, prayer, and simple activations. It gently dismantles the lies of the enemy, who desperately wants you to forget that you have a choice. The enemy uses distraction, shame, and past scars to make you feel helpless. But when you physically hold onto the promises of God—whether through reading the Word, listening to scripture-infused music, or engaging in a creative tool like Eden's Conflict—you are practicing quantum thinking. You are actively pulling heavenly realities into your present moment.

A kingdom FIRST MINDSET.

One of the most striking revelations from our conversation is the concept of a kingdom-first mindset. Jai breaks down the idea of "presence of mind" in a way that shifts everything. When you are facing a struggle today, imagine looking back at it from your last day on earth. The perspective changes. Now, take it a step further. Imagine standing in eternity, free from pain and sin, looking at the face of Jesus. From that kingdom perspective, today's trials lose their grip. You begin to live your eternal life right now.

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God's goodness is bigger than your current bandwidth about Him. Have you ever felt like God was a distant landlord—someone you studied from afar but rarely knew intimately? For years, Kristen Wambach stood on that same field, defending the character of a God she hoped was good, while silently carrying the heavy baggage of survival, religious exhaustion, and unanswered questions.
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But what if His kindness isn't a reward for your effort? What if it's an ancient, relentless force that has been holding you since long before you knew you were looking for Him?

EMBRACING THE TUTORIAL.

Jai leaves us with a brilliant analogy: life is simply the tutorial for eternity. In a video game, you do not get angry and quit during the tutorial when you make a mistake. The tutorial is designed for you to learn the mechanics, exercise your choices, and prepare for the real game. We are here to master the principles of love, forgiveness, and Oneness with Jesus. When you mess up, you just get up and try again, knowing that the grace of God covers the learning curve.
God is everything we allow Him to be. He is waiting for you to captivate your thoughts and hand them over to Him. You do not need to have it all together to start. Give God the very thing you know is resisting Him, and watch how He course-corrects your destiny. Your life is not defined by the moments you stumbled in the tutorial; it is defined by the incredible eternity you are preparing for.

COACHING CHURCH ACTIVATIONS

CHAPTER PRESENCE OF MIND
​The Mirror Word translation powerfully illuminates Romans 8:2: "For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has made me free from the law of sin and death. A law is always the extension of a government. The implementation of a law is directly related to the effectiveness or authority of the government guarding over it." We often get trapped in the immediate pain of our circumstances, forgetting that the superior government of the Spirit has already set us free. This activation is designed to shift your perspective and establish your Oneness with Jesus right now.

1. Identify the Struggle: Think of one specific situation causing you anxiety or frustration today.
2. Shift the Timeline: Close your eyes and mentally fast-forward. Imagine yourself standing in eternity, completely free of sin and pain, looking directly into the face of Jesus.
3. Re-evaluate: From that kingdom's perspective, looking back at today's specific struggle, how does its weight and importance change?
4. The Outcome: Speak out loud, "I choose to live my eternal life today." Carry that lightness into your next physical decision, operating from a place of rest rather than fighting for victory.

To invite the Lord into our struggles, we must first be willing to accurately name them and recognize that we are simply learning in the "tutorial" of life.

1. Name the Resistance: What is the specific habit, fear, or lie you feel is currently resisting God's grace in your life? Take a moment to give it a clear, honest name.
   
2. Surrender the Will: If you feel unable to overcome it, hand over your inability. Pray simply, "Father, I am willing to be made willing. I invite You into this specific space."
   
3. Play the Tutorial: Remind yourself that a mistake is just part of the learning curve. You are not disqualified; you are in training for eternity.
   
4. The Outcome: When you stumble this week, instead of partnering with shame, immediately reset. Speak out loud, "This is just the tutorial," and take the very next step forward in grace.
   

Wow, what a profoundly stirring conversation with Jai Roza. I absolutely loved how he strategically broke down what it means to have a kingdom-first mindset. Taking the time to look at our current struggles from the perspective of eternity completely shifts how we exercise our choices today. Jai reminded us of something so vital: the enemy wants you to forget that you have a choice. But the Law of the Spirit of Life has set us free to proactively choose God's promises. And that closing analogy is going to stay with me for a long time. Life is just the tutorial for eternity. If you mess up, don't get angry at the tutorial. Just get up, remember who you are, and aim upward again. I highly encourage you to visit edensconflict.com to explore the incredible tools Jai is creating. Thank you so much for joining me today. If this episode blessed you, please subscribe, leave a review, and share it with someone who needs a reminder to engage their spiritual senses today. Until next time, stay Spiritually BRAVE, and keep interviewing Jesus in your own life!

MEET THE AUTHOR & PODCASTER

If you are looking for an undeniable, week-one transformation, you are in the right place. My mission is to offer a safe path for your heart, giving you the practical tools and outcome-focused, Monday-morning logic to step into your daily life with absolute clarity, profound peace, and a direct connection to the heart of Jesus.
With 30+ years of ministry and leadership experience, I serve as a spiritual investigative journalist, mystical futurist, and ordained pastor. I have spent over two decades mastering Oneness and connection with God. As a transformation coach, I specialize in simplifying the supernatural and bringing heaven to earth. My focus is always on reverence, hope, and testifying to redemption to advance the kingdom.

As the host of the globally reaching podcast, INTERVIEWING JESUS. , I facilitate soul-stirring conversations that provide exclusive access to divine wisdom meant to rewrite your life and awaken your God-inspired calling.

In my upcoming book, HOW GOOD IS GOD. , you will not find heavy theological arguments. Instead, you will find a practical path with raw stories, prayer, and simple activations designed to help you live spiritually brave.