Entering Heavenly Art Rooms: Shedding the Religious Matrix with Bracy Wevers ❖ 285

 All the things that the Lord had been teaching me... just unraveled. I was like in a burrito, and I unraveled and I fell to the bottom. And I was at the bottom going, 'Wait a minute. Do I still believe in Jesus?' And he goes, 'I'm right here.' And I'm like, 'Okay, we're good.' Everything else was gone." —Bracy Wevers

We do not do "Sunday-only" spirituality here. When you turn off this audio, you are walking away with three unmistakable, empirical truths to run your life and your business by this week:
Episode Takeaways: The Monday-Morning Payoffs

• God Rewards Movement, Not Fear: You do not wait for the picture to be perfect before you act; restoration happens inside the motion.​​

• The Power of Forced Rest: Sometimes, the absolute most spiritual thing you can do for your calling is to lie down, stop talking, and let the Holy Spirit wash over you in the uncreated darkness.
• Ride with Wisdom: You are legally designed as a son to ride straight into the heavens alongside Jesus—and you have the authority to pull other broken people up onto the horse with you.

There is a massive lie circulating in our culture right now that says if you want to make a real impact, you have to white-knuckle your way through life, stack your calendar until you break, and look perfect doing it.
But what happens when the wheels completely fall off? What do you do when your career pivots, your body collapses, and you find yourself lying flat on your back in a pitch-black room, wondering if you even know who you are anymore?
My guest today, Bracy Wevers, lived that exact nightmare. She didn't just study spirituality in a textbook; she survived a literal four-month physical and mental "death spiral" where standard, polished religion completely failed to comfort her. If you are currently exhausted from playing a part, managing an identity that feels like a counterfeit, or running on empty, do not turn this off. This conversation is the exact green light your soul has been begging for to finally stop performing and start living.
The Relational Core: Pulling Up a Chair
Look, I don’t bring people onto the Interviewing Jesus Podcast just to read their bios or help them sell books. I hold space for people who have been through the fire and have the scars to prove it. Bracy is a long-time friend of mine, a brilliant painter, and a walk-in paintbrush who has spent 30 years learning how to hear the exact frequency of heaven.
In this episode, we aren’t trading theology—we are letting you listen in on a raw, unfiltered conversation between two friends who know what it looks like to hit rock bottom and find Jesus waiting right there on the floor. We talk about escaping the rigid religious "matrix," entering literal heavenly art rooms, and learning how to love the dark, messy pieces of your story just as much as the light ones.
What the Listener Receives: The Promise
When you sit with us for this episode, your perspective on faith will be completely rewritten. You are going to receive:

• The Blueprint for Holy Surrender: A clear understanding of how to let your life completely unravel without losing your faith.
• Validation for Your Burnout: Absolute permission to admit that you are overwhelmed, disqualified, and tired of white-knuckling your survival.
  
• Spiritual Senses Reawakened: The keys to shifting out of your logical, noisy brain and moving into a cellular revelation of Oneness with God.

SUMMARY

What happens when your life completely unravels, your body collapses, and standard religion fails to comfort you? You find the raw, unshakeable presence of Jesus sitting at the bottom of it all. In this episode, Kristen Wambach catches up with mystic artist Bracy Wevers to discuss her debut book, A Mystic’s Journey: A Life of Encounter, and how stepping out of structural matrixes opens up the whimsical, co-creative frequency of heaven on earth.

If you don't have a revelation of oneness, you can't grow into a son. That's what I think... I started to understand I'm him. Like I stood up and my church was called the portal... And I said, 'I'm him and he's me.'" —Bracy Wevers

Pulling Up a Chair Between Friends

The Interviewing Jesus Podcast operates on a profound premise: bypassing stiff religious formalities to gain exclusive access to the heart of Jesus for supernatural wisdom that completely rewrites our lives. In this refreshing episode, host Kristen Wambach pulls up a chair for a soul-baring conversation with a long-time friend, multi-faceted artist, and author Bracy Wevers.
Bracy has just released her debut book, A Mystic’s Journey: A Life of Encounter. Far from a simple collection of theological concepts, Bracy is a walk-in paintbrush who doesn't just create art—she actively lives it.

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Kristen Wambach (00:00): Hello and welcome back to Interviewing Jesus Podcast, where we get access to the heart of Jesus for supernatural wisdom, and come He completely rewrites our lives. I'm your hostess, Kristen Womback, and today's conversation is going to be incredibly special and a whole bunch of fun. My guest today is someone I've had the joy of connecting with before. So this feels less like a formal interview and much more like pulling up our chairs and a and a deep, beautiful conversation between friends. Bracie Weavers is a multifaceted artist. She is a musician, a songwriter, a recording artist, painter, and now an author. Yay! And she is a light worker and called a called-out voice who passionately moves in the heavenly realms, trusting her spiritual intuition to usher her into a beautiful new era of awakening. we have so much in common here. She just released her debut book, A Mystic's Journey, A Life of Encounter. This book is a compelling, heart-wrenching, and ultimately triumph account of what happens when you move past standard religion And step into a lifestyle completely transformed by the real encounters with God, a living God. What I love most is that Bracie just doesn't just create art, she lives it. She's like a walk-in paintbrush here, folks. And in fact, she painted the gorgeous artwork that sits right on the front cover of her book. Bracie, my Washington Mystic Friend, welcome to the show. It's so wonderful to have you here. Woo!
Bracy Wevers (01:58): Thank you so much. I really appreciate being invited. This is very special and precious.
Kristen Wambach (02:05): It is precious. Before we deep dive into the water here, your story, I have to start with that beautiful and gorgeous cover. You were talking about it before we got to recording. As an artist who creates from a place of oneness with Holy Spirit, tell us about the moment you painted this cover. What were you and Jesus doing, seeing, experiencing, perceiving together?
Bracy Wevers (02:36): Well, that was a journey. Like everything's a journey. I had actually I'd been painting for about seven or eight months. I had just started painting two years ago. It'll be two years in November. And I wanted I have two daughters who are graphic designers. And so I asked one and she's like, I don't know. The other one's like, And so the older one goes, Mommy, you should paint your cover. And I was like, You just don't want to do it. And she's like, no, that's not what that is. So she kind of forced me to paint it. And I didn't have the skill or like the knowledge or the confidence, you know, to paint it. And so I went into Gemini and Google and I wanted to make it a Van Gogh-y kind of feel on it. And so I just went through these prompts and ended up with about five pictures that caught my eye. And I really liked and this part turned into that. so I started painting, got the background and used the colors that I love, the Taylor blue and the tail green. my gosh. And started to paint the portal. I call it a portal. I think it's several portals. I you know
Kristen Wambach (03:57): Mm-hmm. I agree. I was gonna ask you how many ringlets are there? So
Bracy Wevers (04:05): Well, there's one, two, three, four, and then the big one. But I it's it's like entering in, but it's so I'm painting and I put on Hertz frequency and there's this guy on s on Spotify that does the Solfagio thing and walks you through a whole bunch of Hertz frequencies. And so I'm sitting there and I feel and when I was first painting, my my ancestors and my cloud of witnesses would show up because I think I should have been painting for a long time. They're like, finally, you're you know, you got you got your brushes out. And I'm painting the portal, and there's these just thin little lines that I'm making. I knew I needed to have it like a concentric thing, not like a snail, but just rings of whatever. And I had just gotten a feathery type brush, which I love a lot, and
Kristen Wambach (04:53): Okay.
Kristen Wambach (04:57): Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (05:04): I started to paint the outside and the angels are like, No more. And I'm like, you mean like this? And they're like, No, no, no, no, no more. And they're all going, More, more. And I'm painting and I finally just started whisking it out to the edges and they're like, More. You know, they're like s and I'm like, like this, you know. And that's how it ended up being so big. It wasn't that big before, but it yeah. So all the That's all the feathering and it's kind of a a zone. So okay, I my husband gave me a gift card for a painting class. And I was so nervous because I can go in my music. I have a we all have kind of rooms where our experience is, I guess. You know, where we're where and my music room is full. I can go in there and tap into it. But I went into the my art room, in the heavens, or whatever you want to call it.
Kristen Wambach (05:36): Mm.
Kristen Wambach (05:46): Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (05:52): Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (06:02): And there was nothing in there, it was all empty. So I'm like with my brush at the beginning and now it's kind of full. But I didn't have anything to really like I didn't have any experience, right? I didn't have any confidence and my negative self-talk was going on and on. You suck, you know, you don't know how. And and I'm like, What? Because I don't negative self-talk, but gosh, that was that was horrendous. So I started putting on Hertz frequencies just to kind of I'm like, let's see what this does, right? And every single time, I mean Heaven would show up, but others would show up. I s I really love Vincent Van Gogh and he showed up one time and I was like, How do I do this grass? And so he was showing me how to paint. And It's like ancestors show up and angels show up and all of a sudden I'm painting and four hours goes by and I'm like, I gotta go eat dinner. And so it becomes this experience like happens when I sing and do worship and d and and you know, record songs and you know, play and stuff. which
Kristen Wambach (07:01): Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (07:27): is interesting because I f I f I find that from painting it's given me this confidence. I don't know maybe you'll know because when you sing and play and write it's like immediate you don't see like a a validation or whatever. You don't, but with painting, it's a it's a it's a valid day. You look at it and go, whoa. You know, and every time, every single painting, I'm in it going, I can't, I hate this. And she's like stepped back and I'm like, my gosh. You know, it's it's given a a confidence that I didn't have before. which is which is interesting that the other things didn't do that. like publishing the book or singing or it didn't give me that thing that painting does. I don't know if painting is in another realm of like your brain, like music is in a different part of your brain, but
Kristen Wambach (08:37): It probably is 'cause it's it's tied to your kinetic. Probably is.
Bracy Wevers (08:42): Right. But it's it just came out that way and it came out I was really proud of it and I thought it was finished and I took it to my painting teacher. She's in Canvas, she's absolutely amazing. And I was really proud of the color that I had mixed for the trees. And she's like, Mmm, mmm, she takes my brush and she'll sit down and you know, she'll paint in your painting and I'm fine with that. But this time she went over my trees. And I was sitting there going, mmm, okay, okay. And she goes in there with the dark. And I'm like, And she goes, It's okay. Just hang on, just breathe. And then she comes in with the back of this. And then the the sea of glass opens up. And I was like, my gosh. Okay, that's it. That's it. And it was like four strokes from her. Anyway.
Kristen Wambach (09:14): Those are migraines.
Kristen Wambach (09:33): Right.
Kristen Wambach (09:40): Mm-hmm. Yeah. To get the light the light behind is really a lot of practice to get the light behind.
Bracy Wevers (09:41): So
Bracy Wevers (09:46): Yeah, we have to do the dark front and the light b yeah, so you know, it's it's all learning and I love it.
Kristen Wambach (09:55): Yes. Now, Bracie, I'm gonna do for our listeners. I am going to bring in because you said a lot right there, and I want to pull those little things. Now we are talking mystical here today. And this doesn't surprise you if you've been listening to my channel for a while, but let's clarify the word mystic. And my favorite quote is from Prophet Paul Kane.
Bracy Wevers (10:07): Okay.
Kristen Wambach (10:25): He says it's better to be a mystic and be different, because if being a mystic means you see the invisible, hear the inaudible, and feel the intangible, then I want to be a mystic. And so just to let everybody know, and I was taking notes here immediately, Bracy talked about the cloud of witnessers, her ancestors and family. And that she had an art room in heaven. I'll say yes, and amen. Those when you step through the veil that Jesus rent with his life and his obedience for the love for us, you step through that veil, and hello, there is heaven, and God develops our spiritual perceptions, seeing, hearing, tasting, painting, everything.
Bracy Wevers (10:59): Yeah.
Kristen Wambach (11:22): And then we see what he has prepared for us and get to engage it. Anything you want to add on top of that, Brace?
Bracy Wevers (11:32): I just it's been surprised it's shocking to me that I can even painted that. So my I take a painting class Tuesday nights with Alita art in Canvas and if you're in the area, yeah do it. And she makes everybody paint the same barn and she teaches you a little bit of technique and color mixing and stuff. And you know, painting is like up close, you're looking at it. And you c it doesn't look you're like, mm, I don't know. But you step back and something pops out, like little tiny strokes becomes something like it's I think it's
Kristen Wambach (12:15): Yeah.
Bracy Wevers (12:16): Like color, like and I gasp every time. Like when I first mixed turquoise. I mean, I still gasp when I do it. I'm like, my God, how do those three do that? And it was it was like I just I painted one painting and one go. It's out in the hallway. And it's this beach scene and it was supposed to be it was supposed to be the cover for my second book. This is three canvases that I've gone through where the canvas went, mm-mm.
Kristen Wambach (12:23): Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (12:45): So I'm painting it and I and I get to and I went, God, it's not it. She goes, No, that's not it. She goes, try this. And I did it, and it came out to this beautiful water bluey thing. And you I step, I cause I I was, it's all like little lines. And then I stepped back and went, my goodness. Whoa. And I'm always like gasping that I don't know. It's like a magical thing. I don't, I don't know.
Kristen Wambach (13:13): I can relate with what you're saying years ago. while I was preaching, I had an encounter and I walked into the at that time it was the mantel room. But what was so interesting about the mantle room in heaven, it was full of eyes. It was full of all the eyes of the Lord, you know, looking to and fro. And so I actually painted that picture. I'd never done an eye.
Bracy Wevers (13:42): wow.
Kristen Wambach (13:44): I will post it in the YouTube. I'll I'll put it in the YouTube so you guys can see it. And I just went, my gosh. But God loves it when his kids create.
Bracy Wevers (13:47): Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (13:53): Yeah. I don't want to ever not I've been saying this for I don't know a long time. I don't want to ever not be overwhelmed. Like every time something manifests or every time something happens or magic happens or things, you know, synchronicities and and all that stuff. And every time I'm like, my god. You know, it's it's I don't want to ever stop like And especially in in my painting, it's like I step back and just go, how did that even happen? And what's what's interesting now is that I'm try I'm trying to paint the cover for my second book and I so I went and bought some so I've been in the cheap canvases, right? 'Cause I was like a student and then I went to the second tier and now I'm in level three, which is a different kind of canvas. It has a wood back and all that stuff and And I they're over there because I don't know if I'm ready yet. I have to go through my my other my other canvases before I can actually move on. That's what it feels like to me. So these have to be more intentional, right? I I haven't been intentional. I've just been painting and kind of, you know, where should I go and what should I do? And you know, well let's put this color here and let's see what orange looks like in there and And but now I feel like I'm s I I need to be like more, you know, intentional in what I'm producing. Because I I think the you know, we all make an impact in all the things that we do, right? So, you know, you make an impact in your voice and what you write and what you sing, what you produce, your book, what you what people read. and so the paintings have an impact, you know. You know, you go, I want people to go into heaven. I want people to have that experience that they look at it and go, Whoa. You know, they they sit there and go into some kind of encounter. So yeah.
Kristen Wambach (15:56): Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yes. Definitely. Definitely. In your experience, what is the difference between I'll say religious journey where you began and now a mystical encounter with the person Jesus?
Bracy Wevers (16:19): that's an interesting one. Well the religious part I now call the matrix. And I was in ministry for thirty years. I thought I was
Kristen Wambach (16:30): Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (16:39): on the edge, right? I'm doing Tehila worship, you know, the the the progression of learning what spontaneous is and what tequila worship is, which is a Hebrew word for it's one of the seven Hebrew words for praise and it it it's the word it's the word where God in inhabits what you're seeing. So you'll sing a song and then you'll launch out and you'll feel the weight of his presence hit that. So we used to do just that. I'm like let's get rid of the songs. Let's just do that.
Kristen Wambach (16:47): Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (17:03): Uh-huh.
Bracy Wevers (17:07): So we do that for like four and five hours, this last house of prayer that I started. And so I
Kristen Wambach (17:12): Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (17:18): You have to
Bracy Wevers (17:18): It all it all shifted what is that?
Kristen Wambach (17:23): It's Tehila and the very last page of my book for four hundred and forty was specific.
Bracy Wevers (17:27): Nice. Yes. Yes. I love to he it right Ray Hughes says rhymes with tequila. Yeah. And
Kristen Wambach (17:36): There you go. So your your difference. You you you notice the difference. I mean, you were on the edge when you were serving in what we would call church ministry at that time.
Bracy Wevers (17:51): Well, I was never really in. So I would go in. I would try to fit in. I'd try to be a good little fish and swim with everybody else. But something about me and who I am and how I created, I just they wouldn't let me do what I wanted to do, right? And so I started off in church and immediately when I was in France, when I I would say the awakening. I got saved when I was sixteen and had the whole thing and and then when I turned like forty, I was in France and had this this encounter and, you know, was forced myself forced myself on the worship team 'cause they were horrible. I mean it was just awful. I went out and said, You you guys need a female singer and I'm it and I went in my car and went, What are you I didn't even know what worship was. I'd been in a Lutheran church And so I, you know, first time I sang, I went into this heavenly encounter and saw my time, I mean timeline and, you know, and so I was always and then started Unity in Christ with a with a friend. And and that was all divinely, but it's it's also for me, it's always been on the peripheral, right? I'm always on the peripheral, doing what God is telling me to do while the matrix is kind of judging it. Well, you need a pastor. I'm like, that's not what God told me. That's not what he told all of us at the same time and we came at different strands. So yeah, thanks for sharing, you know, and so it's been that way for probably 25, 30 years. So I've always been and I've always tried to go in and be a little good little fish, you know, and swim with others and swim in the same way. But it's like that's I went to Bible school and I just had questions. You know, this isn't what, you know, that what I'm seeing. anyway, and they didn't believe in deliverance, so I showed my deliverance story. And I'm like, what do I do with this? You know. So there was always kind of a you know, the iron thing, you know, sharpening. And I'm sharpening a lot of people, I guess. I don't know. But so I've always kind of been on the outside, but still on the fringe.
Kristen Wambach (19:51): Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (20:08): still on the edge, but still one foot in the matrix and one foot in becoming a sun, I think. and I think that what's happening right now as we head into this new age of Aquarius, into this new era that we're all awakening and we're waking up and
Kristen Wambach (20:17): Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (20:33): But the real un unraveling happened in 2023. I had I d dropped Northgate House of Joy, which was when we were doing events and monthly, you know, four or five hour spontaneous Hilo worship, which was shocking because we would sing things and then they'd show up in like in the news.
Kristen Wambach (20:47): Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (20:52): Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (21:00): Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (21:01): One time we went in and rescued all these children and on the news, then the next day, you know, 2,500 child, you know, it was just like, are we like it was it was weird. Every time we'd have something, something like that would validate what we were doing. And so I dropped that and t I had to drop it. It's I was a middle school teacher. And I don't know if that's enough to say that right there. But I
Kristen Wambach (21:15.373): Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (21:29): Well, I thought I thought you were special needs middle school.
Bracy Wevers (21:34): No, I was ELL, ESL kids, foreign kids. Yes. And that that period I call my smoking and cussing phase because it was very difficult and very hard. And I thought the smoking was gonna help me. And it actually might have, because it was so hard. It was so hard. so I retired in June 2023 and I collapsed from
Kristen Wambach (21:37): Okay. Okay. Okay.
Kristen Wambach (22:00): Mm.
Bracy Wevers (22:02): I had PTSD from a couple of things that it I taught at a naughty school. I mean, these kids, I'm telling you, behavior, 80% reduced lunch. It was just I actually love that. Anyway. but and my kids were great, right? They were still, you know, I could still like, I'm gonna email your mom, you know, I'm email, you know, dear Mrs. You know, And they'd be like, no. But the it was the general population that was very scary, very scary kids. So I had PTSD, I had stress exhaustion from all the tension and the pressure that was going on at the moment. I was in deep survival mode on all, I mean, on all of us, I was pressed on all I mean all sides. I don't even know. I looked back and I don't even know how I how I made I don't even know how I made it through. Bracie did such a good job. my God, she was so, she was so strong. You know, she held it, man. She held me through. So the day that I retired, I'm driving home and I'm crying and I'm I'm like relieved and I'm like, I made I made it. I made it. I made the whole way home. And I immediately collapsed for four months. I I was ill. I mean, I was on a this I'll call my death this is my third book. my death spiral. I was like
Kristen Wambach (23:28): Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (23:29): Everything I knew I was dying. I knew I knew I was dying. I just I could feel it. I could feel the pull of death coming for me. And so I I just went to sleep. I just I I slept all day, all morning, all afternoon, all night long for like four months. And in the midst of all that, I was seeing myself floating in the uncreated darkness, right? And just being washed and being you know, the breath just around me, holding me. And I was just, you know, I was exhaust I mean it was it wasn't good. And and all the things that the Lord had been teaching me, all the points of everything just I unraveled. I was like in a burrito, and I unraveled and I fell to the bottom. And I th and they all all the points just kind of click together like snaps are just like and I was at the bottom going, Whoa, wait a minute. Wait a minute. Do I still believe in Jesus? And he goes, I'm right here. And I'm like, Okay, we're good. We're good. We're good. Everything else has has gone. Everything else was gone. I mean, all well, you know, I mean Ian Clayton started it with
Kristen Wambach (24:43): Ha ha ha ha ha ha.
Bracy Wevers (24:57): Unraveling our belief systems, right? Our sacred cows. And everything was like gone. And this was a period of like 18 months where I just concentrated on myself. I told everybody else no. I had like three friends. I was I was so isolated, but I had to be because I I had lost, I had disconnected so much from my own self. From my own body, from my own whatever desires, whatever, that I couldn't even hear my body screaming. And so I started on this health journey. you know, and it was extend, you know, one little thing after the other. And and I it lasted about 18 months. And I knew it was gonna last 18 months, and then it ended 18 months, and I'm like, okay. It's and and then I went on this other journey. And now I know like from today, from like right now, all that is over. It's all over. All that struggle and whatever that was. and so it's been a journey of navigating the things being put in my pathway, which are very controversial and not in the box or the matrix or even close to being there. and so the one thing that is important I mean it's it's fundamental Is that if you don't if you don't have a revelation of oneness, you can't, you can't grow into a son. That that's what I think. And we sing about, we're one, we're one, we are one. You know, all that. But it's a it's revelation from the spirit of wisdom and revelation that brings understanding, and then your body knows you are. So I started to
Kristen Wambach (27:06): Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (27:08): understand I'm him. Like I stood up and my church was called the portal. It was big house church. And I said, I'm him and he's me. And everyone went, What? And I'm like, Yeah, I'm him and he is me. So, and then it was this whole journey, just, you know, saying things and people going, What? So and then getting into Hila worship and people coming in and going, What are you doing? you know, and I'm like, it doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. Just It's okay, you don't have to stay. 'cause when God's telling you to do something, it doesn't make any sense. Like who was it that sat on his left side naked? It was Isaiah for a year, you know. I mean, I I wasn't naked.
Kristen Wambach (27:54): Yeah, we can all get on our face and thank God that he hasn't asked us to do that.
Bracy Wevers (27:58): You know, I mean, sometimes when when the Lord is that's why I think we have to stop stop like judging, right? We have to get into this loving community building because everyone brings their fragment, their fractal of what is supposed to be built together, right? Like living stone, like everyone coming together, you do that. Well, let me see if I can help you, you know, instead of that's demonic, and you need to blah blah blah blah. There's a shifting that's happening. and we're here to build that. We chose to be here to build that, and I'm very excited that I chose this moment in time to build that, and that I'm here and I made it. We made it. We made it. I mean
Kristen Wambach (28:52): We did make it.
Bracy Wevers (28:56): Now we get to frolic and be whimsical.
Kristen Wambach (28:59): Frolic and be whimsical.
Bracy Wevers (29:03) Yeah. Because it's it's a surrender. It's a surrender to the flow. If once you once you know you're one, right? I mean it shifts everything. It's it shifts it shifted everything for me. It was a it was a knowing that I hadn't known before. And I'd been talking about oneness for a long time, right? so it comes from inspiration, revelation,
Kristen Wambach (29:26): Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (29:33): Something being downloaded into you renewing your mind. it actually came into my body. I felt I felt it like inhabit my body and my heart and and then it was different after that. I couldn't I couldn't go back to the other side of not knowing that. that's why when people sing about how, come here, I'm like, we're here, you know.
Kristen Wambach (29:44): Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (29:53): Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (30:00): we can't sing the things that we did before because they just don't like They don't resonate anymore, you know, the frequency has shifted. And so the divide has is well it's already I think it already happened, but there's a divide and the old systems are crumbling. Anyway, I'm getting off topic.
Kristen Wambach (30:29): When you originally described your portal and all the different rings and how the feathery paintbrush pulled, because those paintbrush, they actually are moving the medium of the paint with its natural hair bristles. So you were pulling, pulling the paint, pulling the manifestation. But what it reminded me of, it reminded me of From the original Jurassic Park movie where the T-Rex went like boom on the ground. And then all of a sudden you saw the different rings, the ripples. And that's what it reminded me of is sound moving out.
Bracy Wevers (31:05): Yeah.
Bracy Wevers (31:09) Mm, the ripples.
Bracy Wevers (31:19): Right. Yeah. Yeah. It is definitely it is definitely a frequency thing. which is my kind of that's been my obsession for, I don't know, twenty-five years is frequency. And now we're actually learning, you know, through quantum and all that, the science of it. 'Cause I always used to say science is gonna prove there's a creator. Science is gonna prove Gonna prove it. And it actually is. And it was hidden from us. I was in the I was watching the Oppenheimer Oppenheimer movie because I love Killian Murphy. Well, I like that movie anyway. And they were talking about quantum and how that was the Jew math, right? And they had put the Jews over to the side, and that was their way of doing math, but we were doing math in a different way, and I just thought.
Kristen Wambach (31:48): Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (32:17 train): They hid that from us. Cause I never talked about I was never taught quantum. My husband, who's French, he was never taught quantum like ever. And so David Vancouvering kind of opened all that for us, right? He just kind of opened it and then he hooked up with Ian and J you know, all those guys and it was and they're taking frequency out of oxygen and putting it into music and So the frequency, that's well, I guess that would be cool is if people actually look at it and encounter it, that they're feeling that frequency. I had a lady, I just published my book and I I'm in a creative space with Justin and Ginny John, and that's how I found my publisher. and they do Zooms every month or six weeks or something. And I
Kristen Wambach (33:09): Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (33:16): Published, I put my book in there, and this lady contacted me in Facebook Messenger and said, you don't know me, but I had a dream about you. And I'm like, Okay, what was your dream? She goes, I saw your full name written out. And I'm like, that's interesting. She goes, That's it. And she goes, I have to have your painting. And I'm like, Okay. So I didn't know you could like sell your paintings. And so she goes, I'm like, I can never you'd have to give me $25,000 for me to sell this painting. I'll give you a print. But I'll print you a print off. And so I went and had it scanned and she bought a print and she was like with in the first weeks of doing that, she was like, This is so important for you. This is so important. I'm gonna hang it in my house. And and I just found that astounding. You know, when things out of your sphere of what you are looking for, the the validation or or whatever that is, right? comes and it's it just hits me in in my chest every time. Like and maybe it's like a yeah, okay, this is the pathway, right? You you give up so many things. I give up so many things. drop so many things, so many people, right? So many, so many things. And but you have to drop them for other things to open up, right? You have to make space for for what's coming. And I think that's what the
Kristen Wambach (34:41): Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (35:05): What do I call it? My death spiral was was shitting all the the things that couldn't go forward with me. And so, and what was interesting is you contacted me like immediately, you're like, I need you need to we need to talk about your book. And so, and then I'd hurt my back, like in the middle of all that. Like I herniated, I had two herniated discs from making my bed.
Kristen Wambach (35:13): Hmm.
Bracy Wevers (35:37): It's the BLT. So bend, lift, and twist. So I went to make my bed and I threw my cover and I put and my discs went. And that was a journey. And so when I my book came out, I had all these plans for my book. I was gonna do a launch, I was gonna do a party, you I was gonna do all this stuff. But I'm laying in my bed on TikTok going, This is not what I thought. And then I thought, God can do it, even if you're you know, in a wheelchair, even if you're on your bed. Laying down. You can't even, you know, and then all this creativity came out. I launched my first TikTok video. I launched my my YouTube channel. Maybe we should all just lie down.
Bracy Wevers (36:22) Maybe we should all just lie down and rest. 'Cause all that stuff just came flooding out of me. And but I didn't have anywhere to go, so
Kristen Wambach (36:28): Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (36:34) We all should just be lying down and resting, I guess.
Kristen Wambach (36:37): Mm. Rest is very important. It is Yeah, yeah.
Bracy Wevers (36:43) Yeah, and that was a forced rest. I mean, that was definitely I couldn't sit down for four months. I I could only stand and lie down. So my husband is driving me to the chiropractor. I'm laying down in the back 'cause I can't sit. It was anyway.
Kristen Wambach (36:59) Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (37:07) Your book points to finding our destiny on the earth. How does it do that? How how how did you communicate that to us? Take your experience and then you put your experience on the pages for readers to be able to perceive it.
Bracy Wevers (37:33) So one of the things I was recognizing, I'll give myself for an example. So for I started three houses of prayer. I started a Northgate House of Prayer, and then I took over Vancouver House of Prayer, that kind of ended, and then I started Northgate House of Prayer, and that became Northgate House of Joy. And what I noticed.
Kristen Wambach (37:44) Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (37:56) Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (38:01) Is so we we know from quantum that our body has a song, has a frequency, right? That we sing a certain song, that's why we like certain frequen certain things. People always sing the same kind of melody, same kind of sound, right? And so I find that so for 20 years, I've been singing wake up, wake up. hit those walls of tradition, what man made, you know, every time I would sing. It was always I'd always go there. And I think we have we each sing or speak about or create the same kind of message. I've looked at other people that like were on my team and singers and they're singing a certain thing, a certain aspect, certain facet, certain fractal of of of his image, right? His multifacetedness. we're singing that that fractal. We're singing that part. And if you pay attention, which I don't think are people are paying attention, I think people are outward looking. they're looking at other things. They're we the the shift is going inward and dealing with first of all our trauma our shadows I love my shadow I love her so much I embraced her you know just and that brought a lot of healing And so the shift is the inward self-awareness, the focus on well I I was forced to to go inward, take care of my body, take care of what was happening in my mind, all the things that were shedding, all the paradigms.
Bracy Wevers (40:21) And the mindsets that were gone and the paradigms that were shifting into this thing that I was just like, I'm gonna go frolic. I don't know. And people say, Well, what do you think about that? I'm like, I don't know. I don't really care. And so I had to because I couldn't like, I had to like focus on myself. And so
Bracy Wevers (40:44) The self awareness of discovering who Bracie is, right? Who who Bracie is and then moving into this divine feminine Sarah energy, right? I can feel it. And it was two thousand eleven in Court Allen. I don't know if you were there at the In Clayton. And I was in the middle of Janet Huhn, that painter who's just absolutely amazing. I love her so much. I was sitting in worship and and I'd been I got drunk walking in the door. I mean I could have left within the first hour. You know, I was like, I'm done. You know? And I'm sitting there in the back because I'm like, I gotta sit down for a minute. And the Lord goes, I'm shifting, I'm shifting you from Bracy to Sarah. And I went, okay, whatever. You know, and I could see it. I could see and now I see it now as Bracie and the masculine and the survival, being able to deal with all the things and all that and then moving into more d a div divine feminine softness. and it's happening in my marriage, you know, it's like this this transition. But when you're like focusing on yourself, which the church tells us not to do that, tells us we have to look outward. But you can't I started understanding like who I am and how I was made and my shadow, my dark the darkness, my beautiful, light, dark self, being healed. And I started to understand that I know that I'm here for my voice. I know that. And I know that from just being shown that. So if you're paying attention in your life and you're looking back, maybe you need to make a timeline and look back at, you know, the different years. And I've done that twice now. And see where things happen, where trauma happened, where this happened, where it led me here or there, or not there, or not with those, or you know, protection of whatever. you'll you'll discover
Bracy Wevers (43:07) How you're made, what your actual purpose is. Mine is to, and it's and it's evolved. Now mine is to seeing over the earth to raise the the frequency of the earth, to raise the consciousness of the earth, to awaken. and it's always been that, but it's different now. and so if you're paying attention to yourself, to how you move.
Kristen Wambach (43:21) Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (43:37) How you breathe, how you go about your day, what you think about, where you're, where the weight of what you do, where it lands, where God is going, yeah, that's it right there. Or, yeah, mm-hmm, not that. and it's subtle sometimes. Sometimes it's a big thing. But my voice, I I remember when I was first learning how to sing spontaneously. And I did that because when I forced myself on the French worship team, all the songs were in French and I didn't know them. So I just went off. I'd never done that. I just started singing. This angel showed up and go, sing this. And I'm like, okay. You know, and he followed me around every time I'd sing so that I could he would sing it. I would see it in heaven and he'd he's like this frolically little elf-like guy. And he would go on these notes and then then I would just sing those notes.
Kristen Wambach (44:34) Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (44:34) And and I did that 'cause I I didn't know the songs in French. It was all just a big I thought it was a mistake, but it was it wasn't. But if you're paying attention yeah, I was gonna say, okay, so I'm in my French church, teeny tiny church, and the musicians all had gone on vacation. So it was just me and this other girl, and and she's like, let's just do a cappella, and I'm like, okay, I can do that, I can totally do that. So I we start singing and I go off, and the next thing I hear on my left is Iwa, she's this lady's on the ground getting delivered. And so I would sing. And she'd I'd hear her and then I'd stop and she would stop. And then I'd sing. And this went on for like, I don't know. And she got up from the floor and went, Mmm, don't sing anymore. And so every time I would see her, she'd go, Mmm, that's too powerful. And that then I was like, whoa. You know, there's something in the frequency in our in our what we're emitting that delivers, you know, our aura, whatever people come into our aura.
Kristen Wambach (45:40) Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (45:45) And you know, things are shifting and things are happening. So I think it's paying attention to your own self and how you were created and and loving yourself, you know, of how instead of hating on yourself, you love yourself and how everything about me is beautiful and creative. And he made me even all the edges, you know, all all the stuff that you know, might not be desirable. I don't know. But I love all of that. I love all that aspect about the fullness of each one of us, right? Is beautiful and precious and and glorious. And it's it's and I think it's time for all of us to, you know, open our like Superman, you know, open up our selves and just not care anymore. Not care what anybody's doing, just go create, go do what you gotta do and find me 'cause I'll do I'll create with you because I love all that.
Kristen Wambach (46:54) We should y I think we can create a new word. Because when you say not care, that that doesn't appropriately express what you just said because actually you care greatly and you're willing to let your care and your your your divided focus. It's not undivided, it's a divided focus of okay, God, here you are in me, and this is what we look like. That is true. Totally caring.
Bracy Wevers (47:26) Yeah, I care a lot. I'm I've tried really hard not to care. But caring in a weird way, in an ego-driven way, you know, caring, letting people be who they are. And even and I'm being taken into all these interesting circles. I am in so many creative out there circles that It's just interesting. It's it's it's new agey. It's it's other weird, you know, stargates and Pallades and groups and I w I you know, just being in 'Cause I love sound baths. I love spa treatments. I mean, that is like if you ever want to like befriend me, you know, it's like give me a massage or something. But you know, it's like I just love all that. I love spa. I love anything, water, you know. And so any time there's a sound bath, I go. I try to go. And, you know, it ends up being all these really, really interesting people. And I find that in the in the matrix, in the church. Everyone is so judgy. Like, I went to an ecstatic dance in Portland and there was probably a hundred feet no, about eighty people in there. It was it was a huge room and and they're all like hippies, you know, and they're all got we're all dressed, you know, to dance and it's ninety minutes of this person putting together a playlist and they do a circle time and tell you, you know, Don't go up to people if they don't want you to, you know, kind of giving, you know, don't touch them, don't get in their face. And if they don't, if they want to, that's fine. And and dancing, and if you have a revelation, you know, there's a bell to ring and you write everything down and then there's a circle time. But nobody's judging in there. Nobody. Like, it was so loving and free. And I'm like, why can't we do that? We're supposed to be dancing. I want to do, I want to create a dance church, like dance like David church. You know? And 'cause now people are starting to create house music and techno music that are are Christian, you know? And it's coming. Trance tr the dance trance, you know. yeah.
Kristen Wambach (50:01) The dance trance.
Bracy Wevers (50:03) Yeah. I I've been wanting to do that for a long time. just just as a
Kristen Wambach (50:06) Mm.
Bracy Wevers (50:12) Well, not just exercise. 'Cause I think we're getting fat just sitting there listening to somebody, but just and fat spiritually, you know. You know, where where do you use all that? But it's also somatic, you know, somatic exercises and movements that your body needs to release the trauma from your life, your lifetime, right? It's It's that movement. It's the shaking, the shaking it off. And it's actual shaking. It's not just, you know, let's just shake it a little bit. No, it's actually shaking your body to shake off the trauma, the stuff, the whatever it is, that I think we all just need to dance, you know. We all need to like start dancing and be whimsical. That's what I'm talking about. Fun and get together and eat and you know, and dance. And nobody talking. Nobody talking. But here I am talking, so I don't
Kristen Wambach (51:20) That's why we're here. That's why we're here to hear, listen.
Bracy Wevers (51:22) That's why we're here.
Kristen Wambach (51:32) In your book. Where is your your fav what's your favorite encounter in your book?
Bracy Wevers (51:51) So I I put my book together. I started in 2019. And all this stuff was very private. and I wasn't sure I wanted to anybody to know about it. So the first part is like from when I'm fifteen, sixteen, and God just showing me I mean, I can look back now and I know what it is, right? And then the second part is more like advanced, I guess. And my husband was the one that
Kristen Wambach (51:59) Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (52:20) That said there's two parts to this because I'm like, I gotta have this guy read this because he doesn't know any of this.
Kristen Wambach (52:25) yes.
Bracy Wevers (52:27) And then, you know, I handed it to him and I'm like, I think you need to read this before I like publish it, 'cause you know, and then I had my girls read it 'cause I didn't really share, right? It wasn't safe or whatever. And so the favorite one is when I was at the portal. The portal was this beautiful house church that turned into this big
Kristen Wambach (52:34) Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (52:58) Yeah. I mean it was just a water hole. All the river swimmers, all the people in their little caves, you know, all the mystics, all the, you know, came came and it was just this free flow stuff, right? And then it started getting no people started coming in and no you have to blah blah blah. And then, you know, the leaders were like, maybe we should blah blah blah and I'm like, no, don't blah blah blah, you know. So trying to put structure on it, prying to trying to put a grid on something that's free and open and special and so I was worship was going on and I was and it was all these big couches right and chairs and so I was sitting on the other side of the room in this big big comfy chair and I I get pulled into the chair and I can feel myself you know I I'm already there and I'm on my horse wisdom. And Jesus is in front of me and we're riding. Man, we are riding. We are I'm like, where are we going? You know, where are we going? We're riding, we're riding. We stop. We stop and the door to my past appears. And he goes, We're just gonna shut that and don't open it, you know. And so we're riding, riding, riding. So then and what's weird is that when you're when the room is exploding, I mean, people were like dancing and laughing and rolling on the floor. I mean, it was crazy. And I'm in the chair and then people start to think that something's happening. Like you need prayer or you need something. And so they come up and they start wanting to touch you and stuff. And I'm and I'm and I'm in this encounter and I can't tell you to leave me alone. Right. And then this one girl, after a while, and one person came up in my face and was and I was just like and I was like gone. I was like I wasn't even there. And this one girl she came and she sat down, she saw what was happening. She sat down, she grabbed my hand, she comes in my vision. She comes in my vision and I was like, whoa, how did that happen? You know what? And her horse appears and I throw her on her horse. And I'm like, let's ride. And so we start riding, you know. And it was just crazy because there's all this stuff going on. And we're in here riding with Jesus. I don't even really know what we were doing. And then this weather guy came and sat and he was like touching my feet and and he didn't know how to ride.
Kristen Wambach (55:10) Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (55:36) But he wanted to. So he comes in my vision, another person, and I throw him on his horse and he falls off. He goes, I don't know how. And I said, and I saw I I throw him on, I strap him on. I strap him on, and I'm like, just follow. Just just let it go, man. Surrender. Just open your, you know, surrender to the flow, right? I have to paint that, surrender to the flow. And and we just rode and rode, and it was like, We we were on like ground that had like rock caves and stuff, you know. And then all of a sudden we're in space and we are going and there's stars and light, traveling and we're just I don't even know. And then I don't know how we came out of it, but it was so it was the first time that someone had joined me inside my I don't know if you call it a dream vision, whatever. Yeah, and that was really special. And then afterwards when we kind of came to, I guess, I looked at I can't remember her name. I looked at her and she's like, Whoa, what? And like, that's right. That's right. Yeah, well, what? So, and I think a lot of people aren't open to that? Because my husband he has a hard time because he's like, I don't do that. I don't have those kind of things. I'm like, well, how do you like to be? How do you how does God talk? God talks to me the way he talks to me, but he's not going to talk to like he talks to me to you. Because you like spreadsheets and you're you like it all structured and that's how he's gonna come. He's gonna come with your spreadsheet. You know, he's gonna come with how you like it, all detailed and, you know, structured and and so I I don't I don't know. That's that's question for me is the is it something that you grow into? That you read some of the you read some of these stories and you go, I can do that too. That's not far off. yeah, I did have that one thing that happened, and then maybe that'll spark some kind of What is it? IHOP used to say, provoke to jealousy, right? You have these instances where you you God did this, and then you go, I want that. You know, some people go, I want that, you know, and then no, you know, some people go, wait, I want that. I want that too. That's what this is for for me. This whole book is to provoke you to want that, to have that. Kathy Walters was the is the first one that was like, this should be normal. This this should be normal and this should be the way that we live. Having encounter all the time, living in this and I think that's what sons do is that we wake up and we learn how to man I call it manifest now. We used to call it calling the unseen into the seen realm and then Ian called it frame your world and then it's just manifesting stuff. It's just and and but the church doesn't teach you how to how to do it. You know. It's it's a journey learning how to do that. And so yeah.
Kristen Wambach (59:11) I want to reiterate your encounter and riding on the horse and going through the different different dimensions that you and your horse go and you taking people with you. Hello, type in shadow of Mount of Transfer Figuration. So that's the coolest thing about Jesus going up and actually encountering himself, his immortal self. But the cool thing is is that he took people with him.
Bracy Wevers (59:44) Right. Yeah, that's interesting. I hadn't thought about that. Yeah.
Kristen Wambach (59:45) Cook people with him. Yep, he took people with him. So it's like, hello, this is so good. You always take people with you.
Bracy Wevers (59:58) Right. Yeah, I kind of stopped wanting to take anybody with me because I used to I used to have open arms. let's go forward and people will bite you if they don't want, you know, and it's it's more about It's been a switch for me, like being an example instead of going, let's all go forward and letting whoever wants to do that do that. And I think the ones that want to do that will find us, right? instead of putting myself in positions where that's not happening. That's for me is the big shift in the last I'd say eighteen months is letting go well, I was I only had three friends. Everyone else just kinda I don't know, they just disappeared. It was like I have three. At least I have three. And it's very supportive and very encouraging, especially through the whole journey. And but it made space for for what's happening now, you know, and I started you know, speaking out what I want. you know, I want this kind of community. I want these kind of people supporting and loving and encouraging and building community together and frolicking and and being whimsical and eating and sharing and nobody jealous of one another, nobody looking at somebody going, you can't do that. Or that's not in our manual or, you know, so it's opening up this whole community for me of people that I've manifested, that coming to me what I desire, right? And those kind of relationships and those kind of people in my life that can handle I don't know, I just I think there's a such a separation right now of the divide. I mean it's been happening I think since the Mayan calendar ran out. This is just me. And the divide and coming into this new era. You know, it takes a long time. It's not just one day that we we we head into the age of Aquarius. We're actually we're actually right here right now. And I know I chose it 'cause this is like exciting. This is exciting. 'Cause we're here like to build with each other and build community together and but you do have to let the old go. You do have to let that go. So
Kristen Wambach (01:03:14) This is so refreshing. Refreshing. Thank you. Thank you.
Bracy Wevers (01:03:16) Yeah.
Bracy Wevers (01:03:20) Thanking you thank you for allowing me to be free in my expression.
Kristen Wambach (01:03:28) You're very well.
Bracy Wevers (01:03:29) which is not always the case. And it's very refreshing that I'm able to to do that because I think speaking and you know the hidden things inside us, right? These are these are these are dear precious things in my heart. And when you start to express that, those who are attracted to that come towards you and they may not look like you want them, you know, it might they might have they might, you know, might look different. I'm in I'm in these communities with these people who they might not, you know, their sources, let's let's call it their sources different, right? And and so I'm in there and I'm just here, buy my book. You know. mystic, you know, and they're grabbing it and and then, you know, how'd you like it?
Kristen Wambach (01:04:19) Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (01:04:36) Yes.
Kristen Wambach (01:04:44) Mm.
Bracy Wevers (01:04:44) In fact, one one girl, she's amazing, she's the one that does sound best, and she was reading through my book and because I had in the front I talked about Yahweh and
Kristen Wambach (01:04:58) Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (01:05:01) And I wasn't sure what her I didn't ask because I felt her I felt her frequency and vibration and she was she's actually changed my life, I'm telling ya. Just shifted everything for me. And she got my book and she was like, Yahweh, Yahweh, I knew it. I knew it. And so I was like, okay. And then she started talking about the seraph, you know, the publishing and how she's seen the seraphim and blah blah blah, you and she goes, I gotta talk to you, you know, about all this. So it's I remember we used to like lo Doug Addison was like, you need to locate people. You know, and he would do this thing where where you locate people, but I'm not locating anybody anymore. I know that I'm divinely protected. I know that. I know God saves me from doing things I shouldn't do, that I want to, that being around things and you know, I'd go to places and I go, I don't wanna be here, but now I don't, you know, I'm protected from and think we all are, right? and it's the frequencies that are attracting each other. Like you can't be over here with that because the frequency is not right. It doesn't mean they're bad or they're whatever. It's just a different frequency than what I'm at right now. And I find that really refreshing and non-judgmental and No pointing your finger, you know. I was in some weird thing.
Bracy Wevers (01:06:35) I don't even know how I got there. And they were doing some stuff. And I was like, and I'm sitting there and I feel Holy Spirit behind me. And I have a huge angel. I have Michael behind me and he's always got my back. Yeah, thank you so much. And I feel the whole Holy Spirit wrap around me and I'm like, What's going on? What's going on here? Should I should I leave? He's like, No, just listen. I'm like, okay, but I'm not gonna do that what they were doing and he goes no you don't have to do that just sit here and listen and I was like okay I can listen and I just I just felt him kind of giggle and because I'm like I wanna know you know I wanna know who I'm supposed to reach with with what I'm doing and it's it's going out into these areas that I mean whatever. Yeah, you think you're a Stargate? Man, so am I. I'm a Stargate. Somebody called me, what did they call they called me an Ascended Master. And I was like, what is that?
Kristen Wambach (01:07:48) Okay.
Bracy Wevers (01:07:51) And then I thought, Yeah, yeah, I am. Tell I am. I don't even know what that is, but yes, yes, definitely. So anytime anyone's saying so, I'm like, yes, I am. That's I am. Yes, I'm all of it. We're all of it. We just have different expressions. Anyway. It's been interesting and been fun. And it's been such a powerful thing for me to feel this freedom of surrendering to the flow instead of reacting to things and looking at things differently, like something happens and I'll look at it and go, Huh. All right, all right, I guess we're gonna do that. You know, and
Kristen Wambach (01:08:41) Mm.
Bracy Wevers (01:08:42) Okay. You know what it what what does that mean? And how am I supposed to what am I supposed to learn? What's the key? And you know, looking at it differently and it's like changed my life. It's instead of reacting and going into survival, you know, Sarah's taking over. You know, Sarah's like, You got this girl, you know, you got it. Just chill. You know, lay down for a minute. You know. Lay down, create something, go paint, you know. You know, yeah.
Kristen Wambach (01:09:18) Yeah. So I have one final question here. This is interje interviewing Jesus, right? So I interview the Jesus in you. And yeah, he likes to lay down. He likes to have, you know, go up on the mountain transfiguration. He likes to invite people he li with him. He he enjoys hanging out with people of all different varieties.
Bracy Wevers (01:09:48) Exactly.
Kristen Wambach (01:09:48) If you could ask Jesus one question, so he's sitting right here with us, in you, in me, with us, about this new era we're walking into, what would it be? And what would he whisker whisper back to you right now?
Bracy Wevers (01:10:15) My question
Bracy Wevers (01:10:20) You know, I don't even really know if I have a question. I feel such a a foundational grounding that's happened in the last three years. that I I don't know if I have a question because I I'm so engaged in the now and the mindfulness and the I'm so surrendered, released to the flow, Trusting his guidance, trusting his like leadership,
Kristen Wambach (01:11:17) Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (01:11:26) I don't know. That's an interesting question. Because I I don't I don't know. Like what's next? Maybe that's what's next. I feel like I've done all these things that I thought it would take me to the end of my lifetime, but they happened in like 2025, the end of twenty in the fall 2025. They all like came out, and I was like,
Kristen Wambach (01:11:42) Mm.
Bracy Wevers (01:11:55) Okay, what's next? You know, and and he yeah, he's like excitement, and I feel like all of us are headed into this ease of ways of doing things, things are starting to synchronize. I'm starting to notice like a heavy synchronization of my desires. Like not even thinking it, there's that part, there's that, wait, what? You know, those colors get you know, I mean just and and I think, you know, okay In my book club, we're doing Thank and Grow Rich by what's her name?
Kristen Wambach (01:12:44) Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (01:12:49) it's think and grow rich instead of think. Okay. Yes.
Bracy Wevers (01:12:50) Not think, it's being thankful and grateful, and it's shifted everything. And so I have this thing on the side of my bed that says something amazing, exciting, and something surprising, amazing, and amazingly awesome is headed my way today. And it makes everything be magical. So I think my question is, what's next? What at but not what's next. It's like what's next? But like what do we what do we get to do? You know, I I think we're already co-creating.
Kristen Wambach (01:13:24) There you go.
Kristen Wambach (01:13:31) Absolutely.
Bracy Wevers (01:13:32) We're already, we've been in it. Well, we're learning, right? Because it's like we landed on Mars and went, I don't know what to do, all of us, and we're like, Well, let's start over here and let's take care of that pile right there, you know. And so as we get more experience in co creating, and we've been doing that for a while, you know, those of us who are like in training or whatever you want to call it. You know, in school and I feel like you graduated. and
Kristen Wambach (01:14:02) Yeah, but we always graduate and end up going as a rookie in kindergarten. Again, it's just never ending. You know. You is it?
Bracy Wevers (01:14:09) I don't know. I feel this time's different. I I yeah, it's it's such a different thing. and I don't know. I think every person's different, right? Where you're at. but it's it's it's a magical time, I think. It's a I think rewards are coming. I think as we awaken and step into who we're created to be to be, who we're created to become, right? Be the becoming is that all that starts to sink and align and then everything opens up in the in front, right? All the distractions go. you know, it starts to and then you can just
Kristen Wambach (01:14:46) Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (01:14:57) Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (01:15:07) And skip down the yellow brick road or whatever, you know, it and in fact in when I left France and one of the last worship nights that we did, this was like in 2005, and I was crying because I was leaving. I hated going there and I didn't want to be there and I'm and then I'm crying leaving because it was so amazing and The Lord goes the latter will be greater and I'm like, Yeah, sure, I don't know. Yeah, I don't think that you know you know I mean, I don't I don't I don't see it, you know. And it's true. The ladder that's that's coming is greater. It's like, ooh, it's like it's coming and it's greater. And we're gonna build that. We're gonna that's why we're here. We chose it and we're gonna build it, and that's why we connect, right? That's why when you go, wow, I love what you do, and you're so blah blah blah and encouraging and refreshing, you know, all that stuff. And then, you know, you don't just go away.
Kristen Wambach (01:15:49) Mm.
Kristen Wambach (01:16:06) Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (01:16:17) and not you know continue that. I think this is really profound today for me with you. especially today for all kinds of reasons but I think we make an art
Kristen Wambach (01:16:42) I won't argue with you.
Bracy Wevers (01:16:43) And And you know, timing is Always perfect, right? Divine I love divine timing. Because if you just wait for it, it shows up and you go, that was perfect.
Kristen Wambach (01:17:01) So I I'm going to leave us a statement because when you were talking, because I see things and I know you're a teacher. And so when you were saying, Well, I don't really have a question, I saw that being written out. I don't really have a question, but the profound part
Bracy Wevers (01:17:12) Yes, you do.
Kristen Wambach (01:17:29) is marked at the end. Because I think we get caught in the structure or the grammar of like, it's a question mark. it's a question. What happens if we remove the grammar of the way that we always began, entered, entered into anything, and just had the freedom and courage to be brave enough to let the sentence continue on.
Bracy Wevers (01:18:00) Right. That's what I feel like. I feel like the the I used to n well I and I think that was the time we were in, right? I I used to do and then I could see ahead, right? 'Cause that's what I'm building towards. You know, I could s I could s always see always see ahead. Always. I always knew where I was going. And now
Kristen Wambach (01:18:18) Uh-huh. Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (01:18:23) I don't know. I just don't. And I don't know if it's because I don't really care anymore. Cause I'm I know my pathway is is different than what it was. You know, Sarah is the energy of her is different than Bracie. and I think we're in a different time period. It's time er I don't even know. Words are so lame sometimes. You know, we're using old words to describe like, where we're headed and
Bracy Wevers (01:19:00) Yeah.
Kristen Wambach (01:19:03) May I share this one point with you, Bracey?
Bracy Wevers (01:19:07) Absolutely.
Kristen Wambach (01:19:10) I think you're getting kind of close to painting on that. What was it? A number three canvas. I I I I think that there's there's something to that. Because yeah, because I know this canvases are much more expensive. So you start with how much value is already there. That's where you start, and you have the encouragement.
Bracy Wevers (01:19:16) Yes. Okay.
Bracy Wevers (01:19:23) I think there is too. There yeah.
Kristen Wambach (01:19:38) And God has been building up in you that you know the colors, you know the strokes, you know how to communicate onto that level of value.
Bracy Wevers (01:19:49) Yeah, I think I think you're exactly right. It's they're a little intimidating, but not really. A little bit. I'm and I'm getting kinda weirded out with each of the canvases saying, I'm going, I wanna paint this and they're like, No, you don't It's like, What? No, I wanna paint the Van Gogh church. No, you're not. You're gonna paint the C
Kristen Wambach (01:19:56) Ha ha ha.
Kristen Wambach (01:20:09) We've had such a refreshing and free conversation. Bracie, how can our listeners connect with you and how can they find your book?
Bracy Wevers (01:20:22) well I am my book is on Amazon. and there is a code, there's a link, I think, for the book. And no matter where you are in the world, you can find it. It's in like twenty different places in the world. my husband went and searched for that. It's in Mexico and Greece and Australia. And he's like, my god, it's here, it's here. And so, yeah.
Kristen Wambach (01:20:47) It is. And those links will be in our show notes to make it easy for our listeners. And yes.
Bracy Wevers (01:20:55) And you can also, if you wanna order a print of the painting, you can do that too. Just you can message me on Facebook or Instagram or I'm on TikTok too. I am I just started my YouTube channel like October, November, I think. So there's some music videos up that are from the s CD that I
Kristen Wambach (01:21:06) Mm-hmm.
Bracy Wevers (01:21:22) recorded in 2012 and I do have five hundred of those left. So yeah. yeah, so TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, YouTube, you know, all of that. That's perfect. Yeah. And I'm pretty responsive. You know where to find me. Yeah.
Kristen Wambach (01:21:28) There you go.
Kristen Wambach (01:21:38) I will have all those links. Yep. I know where to find you. Thank you so much for the blessing of hearing your heartbeat today.
Bracy Wevers (01:21:51) Thank you for giving me that opportunity. I I feel my heart is glad. And I just, you know, as people are going moving forward in their life, you know, switching your the way you think about yourself, the the thoughts that are in your head, the the the affirmations you wanna it you think, it's just little stuff. It's very, very important and very It's important for your future and for you coming into being confident to who you are and who you're becoming because we're all becoming, right? We're all moving, we're all growing, we're all evolving. and so I would I would say just be careful of your thoughts and the way you talk to yourself and how you take care of yourself. It's very important. You're needed and no matter what age you are, you know, it doesn't matter.
Kristen Wambach (01:22:28) Mm-hmm.
Kristen Wambach (01:22:53) Thank you.
Bracy Wevers (01:22:55) Thanks, Krista.
⏱️ Optimized Podcast Chapters00:00 Introduction to Bracy Wevers and A Mystic's Journey
04:26 Prophetic Painting and Creating the Book Cover
12:21 Understanding True Christian Mysticism
18:00 Shifting Out of the Religious Matrix
23:36 Overcoming Burnout and Stress Exhaustion
37:26 Finding Body Frequency and Identity
42:28 Transitioning from Survival to Oneness
45:26 Angelic Frequencies and Deliverance
49:35 Shaking Off Trauma with Somatic Movement
51:06 Mystical Encounters and Riding with Jesus
57:27 Quantum Manifestation and Co-Creation
01:01:36 Building a Whimsical Spiritual Community
01:07:48 Surrendering to Divine Flow and Protection
01:12:14 Practicing Radical Thanksgiving
01:19:25 Stepping Onto a Level 3 Canvas
01:20:17 Where to Connect and Buy the Book
01:20:57 Stay Spiritually Brave Podcast Outro

The Canvas of Heaven & Collaborative Creation

The conversation naturally kicks off with the story behind the striking, multi-layered portal artwork featured on the front cover of Bracy’s book—a piece she painted herself. Bracy opens up about her initial hesitation; having only started painting two years prior, she lacked technical confidence and battled intense negative self-talk.
To break through the mental noise, she turned on Solfeggio Hertz frequencies to align her atmosphere and stepped directly into her personal "art room in the heavens". What unfolded was a literal collaborative orchestration between dimensions. As she began painting concentric rings with a feathery brush, her ancestors, a cloud of witnesses, and angels began showing up in the room. At one point, the spirit of Vincent Van Gogh even appeared to give her a mini-masterclass on painting grass textures.
When the angels began shouting "More, more!", Bracy whisked the paint out to the edges, expanding a visual portal that immediate onlookers feel drawn into. This experience taught Bracy that true spiritual confidence is birthed through kinetic, tactile creation.

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Bracy’s book ultimately points us to a more profound understanding of God and our destiny on this earth. - Jenny Pizot, High School World Language teacher and 1st editor of the book.
Cover Artwork - Bracy Wevers; prints are available of the painting done by Bracy for the cover.

Escaping the Matrix & The 2023 "Death Spiral"

Moving past standard religion requires a willingness to drop what Bracy terms "the matrix"—the rigid structures of church systems that prioritize human control over spiritual flow. Despite spending 30 years in traditional ministry and pioneering five-hour spontaneous Tehila worship houses, Bracy always found herself functioning on the peripheral fringe.
The deep unraveling finally occurred in June 2023. Juggling prophetic ministry while working as an ESL teacher in a high-stress public middle school left Bracy dealing with severe PTSD, survival mode, and complete stress exhaustion. The day she retired, her physical body totally collapsed.
For four months, she entered what she describes as her "death spiral". Bedridden, ill, and unable to sit down due to herniated spinal discs, she spent months sleeping and floating in the uncreated darkness.
"All the things that the Lord had been teaching me... just unraveled. I was like in a burrito, and I unraveled and I fell to the bottom. And I was at the bottom going, 'Wait a minute. Do I still believe in Jesus?' And he goes, 'I'm right here.' And I'm like, 'Okay, we're good.'" — Bracy Wevers
This raw testimony serves as a beacon for any "Spiritually BRAVE" listener currently undergoing a dark night of the soul. Complete undoing is often the exact, safe space where the unadulterated presence of Jesus is revealed.

Somatic Release, Oneness, and Whimsical Sons

A massive pivot point in the interview details what it means to live as a true mystic. Grounding their thoughts in Prophet Paul Kane's definition--one who sees the invisible, hears the inaudible, and feels the intangible—Kristen and Bracy discuss shifting from singing about God to experiencing a somatic, cellular revelation of Oneness.
True spiritual maturity requires us to stop focusing entirely outward and start diving inward to address our hidden shadows, trauma, and bodily needs. Bracy notes the vital role of somatic exercises, ecstatic dance, and physical "shaking" to release deep-seated lifetime trauma from our cells. When we process these shadows, we shift out of heavy masculine survival mode and step into our true identity as sons who get to "frolic and be whimsical" with the Father.​

Conclusion & Activation: Drop the Question Marks

When Kristen poses her signature question--"If you could ask Jesus one question about this new era, what would it be?"—Bracy answers with an unexpected, profound insight. She explains that her intensive three-year grounding process has left her so deeply anchored in the mindfulness of the now that she no longer carries question marks.
Instead of worrying about structural outcomes or future timelines, she lives in a fluid, continuous state of co-creation with Holy Spirit, witnessing beautiful, heavy synchronicities map out her life every single day.
Bracy leaves the Interviewing Jesus audience with a crucial activation for their week: Guard your thoughts with radical thanksgiving, love the full dark-and-light aspects of how you were made, and never minimize the spiritual power of simply lying down to rest. The ladder ahead is significantly greater, and it’s time to step onto your high-value canvas.

Mantel Room in the Courts of Heaven
​by Kristen Wambach

When you step through the veil that Jesus rent with his life and his obedience for the love for us, you step through that veil, and hello, there is heaven, and God develops our spiritual perceptions, seeing, hearing, tasting, painting, everything."  —Kristen Wambach

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The Activation: "The Level 3 Rest & Reset"

The overarching theme of this episode is the critical transition from religious performance (the "matrix") into a lived reality of deep, cellular Oneness with Jesus. This week's activation focuses on reclaiming your body through somatic rest and creative intention.

The Monday-Morning Strategy

Instead of rushing into your week carrying the heavy burden of performance, you are going to intentionally practice a "Level 3 canvas" state of rest. Use this simple, step-by-step activation to align your personal environment with the frequency of heaven:

1. Forced Rest (Lie Down): Block out 15 minutes to physically lie down flat. If your schedule or body is screaming under pressure, give yourself the "green light to breathe". Disconnect from all outward noise and allow yourself to simply float in the uncreated darkness with the Lord.
   
2. Clear the Grammar: Sit quietly with Jesus and consciously remove the punctuation marks—the heavy anxiety over "what’s next," the future deadlines, and the past regrets. Let the sentence of your life just continue to flow without you trying to control or edit the outcome.
   
3. The Oneness Declaration: Speak this truth into your room and let your cells hear it: "Jesus, you are in me and I am in you. We are co-creating this day together in perfect synchronization".
   

​Living It Out This Week

The ladder ahead is greater, but you cannot build it out of exhaustion."

This week, catch yourself whenever you slip back into standard religious performance or survival mechanisms. Take a cue from Bracy's journey: love your shadow pieces, step back from the close-up mess, and allow the Holy Spirit to reveal the larger, beautiful picture He is painting through your life.

MEET THE AUTHOR & PODCASTER

Hey there! Kristen Wambach here. Welcome to this corner of the digital realm, and thank you so much for being here with me in this precious, intentional time. Whether you are a longtime listener or brand new to the family, I don't take your presence for granted.
If your heart has been deeply stirred by the conversations on the Interviewing Jesus Podcast—if you are ready to completely break out of the exhausting religious matrix and step into a life of raw, authentic encounter—then I have something special written just for you.

Are you ready to stop just practicing a religion and finally experience how deeply, profoundly good your Father is?
In my recent book, How Good is God, I pull back the veil to help you simplify the supernatural, silence the cultural noise, and step into a lifestyle of bold, unshakeable oneness with Him. This isn't just a book to read; it's a doorway to a personal rewording of your story by Jesus Himself.
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🎨 Meet the Author & Voice Behind the Mic
For those who are new to my world, I am a daughter, a leader's guide, and a voice passionately dedicated to bridging the gap between heaven and earth. Through the Interviewing Jesus Podcast, my mission is to grant you exclusive access to the heart of Jesus for supernatural wisdom that completely rewrites your daily life.
I believe that the supernatural should be practical, that your spiritual senses were designed to see and hear the King, and that every single one of us is called to live a lifestyle transformed by real, daily encounters with a living God. I am so honored to share this space with fellow mystics, creatives, and purpose-driven hearts who are brave enough to let the old systems go and build the greater era that is coming.
Thank you for leaning in, for guarding your heart, and for walking this journey of becoming a son alongside me. I appreciate you more than words can say.
Blessings,
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Kristen Wambach Host of the Interviewing Jesus Podcast & Author of How Good is God

Final Summary:
​Step Out of the Matrix and Into the Flow​

At its core, this conversation with Bracy Wevers is a beautiful invitation to completely lay down the exhausting weight of spiritual performance. Whether you are navigating a dark night of the soul, battling intense inner noise, or recovering from a physical or emotional collapse, remember that complete undoing is often the exact, safe space where the raw presence of Jesus is found. You do not have to carry the pressure alone.
True spiritual maturity is not found in complex religious systems or endless "matrix" structures—it is found in the simple, cellular revelation of your Oneness with the Father. When we let go of our past structures, love our hidden pieces, and confidently step onto our high-value canvas, we free our spiritual senses to co-create a whimsical, synchronized life alongside a living God. It is time to let the sentence of your life continue to flow, climb onto your horse named Wisdom, and experience a daily life fully transformed by supernatural encounters.

Let's Connect! 💬

We would love to hear how this episode breathed life into your spiritual journey today.

• Which part of Bracy's story resonated most with you? Was it the reality of her 2023 "death spiral" and physical collapse, or the incredible imagery of painting portals alongside the cloud of witnesses in her heavenly art room?
  
• What is your personal "Oneness Declaration" as you step out of performance and into rest this week?
  

Drop a comment below and let's build a loving, non-judgmental community of whimsical, co-creative sons together! Don't forget to grab your copy of Bracy's book, A Mystic’s Journey: A Life of Encounter, and explore her artwork through the links in our show notes.
Stay Spiritually BRAVE!