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Bridging Grief and Glory: Finding Oneness and Supernatural Peace in Loss | with Michelle Bader Ebersole ❖ 251

12/18/2025

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251 Bridging Grief and Glory: Finding Oneness and Supernatural Peace in Loss | with Michelle Bader Ebersole Interviewing Jesus Podcast
What we feel, God can heal. If you do not let yourself feel it, you will not heal. Your healing is too important to care what anybody thinks." —Michelle Bader Ebersole

Bridging Grief & Glory

What we feel, God can heal. If you do not let yourself feel it, you will not heal. Your healing is too important to care what anybody thinks." - Michelle Bader Ebersole
EPISODE HIGHLIGHTS
  • Supernatural Identity in Crisis: The unedited revelation in times of deep loss is recognizing your core identity as a "Daughter of the King," a truth that supersedes the temporary identity of a wife.​
  • The Tangible Bubble of Peace: God provides a "supernatural peace that passes all understanding," which can feel like a tangible, protective bubble during the most devastating moments.
  • Oneness and Quantum Grief: The experience of being spiritually "inside" a spouse during their passing affirms the concept of Oneness (One Spirit, One Flesh) and introduces a quantum reality where deep pain and God's presence coexist simultaneously.
  • Grief is Not Linear: The grief process is not a rigid set of stages but rather comes in waves. The focus should be on what you do with the time, not how much time has passed.
  • Feeling Leads to Healing: The core truth is: "What we feel, God can heal." Suppression only prolongs the grief; true healing requires allowing yourself to feel the pain, regardless of the setting.
  • Eternal Perspective and Healing: Releasing the need to know the "why" of the loss, accepting that "If God allowed it, I can accept it," and focusing on the hope of eternity are crucial for drawing closer to God.
  • Holidays and New Traditions: Navigating holidays requires making a conscious plan, saying "no" to obligations, and blending old traditions with new ones to create memories that honor the lost loved one without painful comparison.
Don't miss this episode! Widow and Certified Grief Specialist Michelle Bader Ebersole reveals the supernatural peace and divine purpose found in loss. Learn to live Spiritually BRAVE, embrace your identity as a Daughter of the King, and unlock the healing truth: "What we feel, God can heal."
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Summary
In this heartfelt conversation, Kristen Wambach and Michelle Bader Ebersole explore the profound journey of grief and healing after the loss of a loved one. Michelle shares her personal experience of becoming a widow at 41 and the revelations she encountered about her identity and faith during this challenging time. The discussion delves into the importance of community support, the myths surrounding grief, and the necessity of feeling emotions to facilitate healing. They also touch on the impact of holidays on those grieving and the significance of creating new traditions. Michelle emphasizes the role of faith in navigating grief and how it can lead to a renewed purpose in life, ultimately encouraging listeners to embrace their journey with hope and love.
The most immediate and unedited revelation I received about who God says I am, was that I was a Daughter of the King." - Michelle Bader Ebersole's ​
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Unedited Revelation: The Daughter of the KingWhen Michelle’s world instantly shattered, losing her husband, her whole identity felt stripped away. Yet, in that void, an unedited revelation emerged: she was first and foremost a Daughter of the King. This profound truth, woven into our discussion, serves as a powerful anchor. Michelle shared, "My whole identity was stripped from me. I was no longer a wife... I drew closer to Jesus than I ever had in my whole life because I had nothing else. I would say Daughter of the King really is who I felt like I was." This is the ultimate Christian spiritual growth moment—when all earthly supports are gone, the truth of our Sonship remains.
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The Quantum Reality of Peace and Pain 
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We explored the mysterious, tangible experience of God’s presence in the midst of tragedy. Michelle described a "supernatural peace" that covered her during her husband's final moments—a bubble protecting her from the overload of the moment. Further deepening this mystical Christian podcast theme, she shared a visionary experience where she was brought into her husband's body, feeling his profound peace and seeing Jesus clearly.

This testimony speaks directly to the concept of Oneness (our Oneness with Christ and with our spouse). My own spiritual experience affirms this quantum thinking: "The experience of being spiritually in my husband’s body during his passing speaks to the whole idea of being one flesh and one spirit... we can literally be inside our spouse." Grief, in this light, is a simultaneity of reality—deep human pain coexisting with divine, supernatural access.

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We have to let go of the 'why.' If God allowed it, I can accept it because I believe He has my best in mind and wants me to flourish." -Michelle Bader Ebersole's ​
Widow Goals: Steps to Finding Peace When You Lose Your Spouse is a tender, faith-filled guide for anyone who feels lost after losing the person they loved most. If you're wondering how to breathe again, how to move forward when your world has fallen apart, this book was written for you.
After losing her husband of 17 years, Michelle Bader Ebersole walked through the heartbreak, loneliness, and overwhelming questions that grief brings. Through the deepest valley, she discovered a powerful truth: God had not abandoned her—and He hasn’t abandoned you either.
In Widow Goals, Michelle shares thirty heartfelt steps rooted in Scripture, personal experience, and real hope. Each chapter is an invitation to take a small step forward—even on the days when healing feels impossible.
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Isolation is the enemy's way to keep us from our healing and our destiny. We must choose freedom over the chains of dark depression." -Michelle Bader Ebersole's ​
What We Feel, God Can Heal
A core message for Christian personal development came from Michelle’s work as a grief counselor: "Grief comes in waves out of nowhere. If you do not let yourself feel it, you won’t heal." The biggest myth is the urge to "keep busy" and stuff the grief down. Michelle offers a practical spirituality key: "What we feel, God can heal."

This requires courage—the courage to cry in the grocery store, in church, or wherever the wave hits. Our healing is too important to worry about what anyone else thinks. Furthermore, we must address the feeling of abandonment that loss can bring. For those who feel angry or distant from God, Michelle stresses the importance of letting go of the need for the "why." Instead, embrace the acceptance that "If God allowed it, I can accept it." This shift in rhema mind over logos mind brings us closer to the heart of the Father.
Navigating the Holidays with Heavenly Wisdom
As we approach the holiday season, a time often magnifying the hole left by a loved one, Michelle offered heavenly wisdom for Spirit-led living. The key is to mix old traditions with new ones. Doing something completely different, like having pizza at a Great Wolf Lodge instead of a traditional Thanksgiving, or adding a ritual like sharing a memory while eating Christmas morning cinnamon rolls, can transform pain into a new, honoring memory.

Crucially, friends must support the grieving by marking important dates—the death anniversary, the wedding anniversary—on their calendars. A simple reach out on the hardest days is a lifeline.
Grief is not a linear set of stages, but it comes in waves out of nowhere. The most important thing you can do is feel it." - Michelle Bader Ebersole's 

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🧭 Chapters00:00 Introduction and Prayer: Welcome, Prayer, Holy Spirit, Loving Kindness
03:20 Meeting Michelle Bader Ebersole: Guest Intro, Widow Goals, Widowed 2 Soon Podcast, Spiritually Brave
04:40 Identity After Loss: Identity Stripped, Daughter of the King, Supernatural Peace, Oneness
07:41 Experiencing Peace in Grief: Supernatural Peace, Protected Bubble, Calmness, Wailing, Healing
11:43 Visions and Spiritual Encounters: Ascended Life, Seeing Spirits, Chosen, Redemption, Divine Gift
14:18 Understanding Grief and Healing: Quantum Thinking, Time vs. Action, Grief Myths, Feel to Heal, No Stages
19:38 The Nature of Grief: Waves of Grief, Triggers, Comparison, Community, Strength
20:29 Grief as a Change in Patterns: Grief Definition, Life Changes, Grief Recovery, All are Grievers
23:31 Eternal Perspective in Grief: Jesus the Healer, Hope of Eternity, Imagine Heaven, Fallen World
26:18 Overcoming Fear in Grief: Fear, Isolation, Healing Obstacles, Letting Go, Attention
27:34 The Role of Community in Healing: Isolation, Church Support, Widows, Nonprofit, Support Groups
29:14 Bridging the Gap with God: Anger in Loss, Letting Go of Why, God Allowed It, Acceptance
30:43 Supporting Children Through Grief: Two Kinds of Grief, Normalizing Emotions, Open Communication, Self-Care
34:07 Navigating Holidays After Loss: Hardest Time, Mix Old/New Traditions, Making Plans, Death Anniversaries
42:27 Finding New Purpose After Loss: Holy Spirit Preparation, Second Marriage, Ministry Calling, Widow Goals Nonprofit
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Your God-Inspired DNA Calling
Michelle’s journey led her to start the Widow Goals ministry, demonstrating that no pain is wasted. Her loss became her God-inspired DNA calling. Her marriage to Joel, a supportive partner, allowed her to transition into full-time ministry. This is the healing and transformation podcast message: God will redeem and restore what was lost, expanding your heart for both new love and expanded purpose.

Let's conclude with my personal reminder: "God is gooder. He's better than my current bandwidth of Him." Allow the goodness of God to expand your understanding today. Turn aside, notice Him, and let Him fill you with His divine wisdom.

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